United's struggles to replace the immortals

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    VJ1762 Full Member

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    So I saw this post on r/reddevils containing an article that talks about how our club has struggled to properly replace 2 of our greatest managers after their tenure. The author also ranks the various managers that have succeeded both Sir Matt and Sir Alex. A good read.

    https://www.theblizzard.co.uk/article/after-immortals/
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    redmanx Full Member

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    A very good read and an excellent summary of Uniteds attempts to fill the huge chasm left when Busby retired. Busby was known as a gentleman, courteous and civil, but when he had to be he was ruthless and merciless with those who transgressed or crossed the line. There was of course the indulgence shown to an increasingly wayward George Best, one of Busbys favourite sons, but even Best was cut down when Busby finally put the Club before the player, and rightly too. Manchester United is the football equivalent of a soap opera, Sir Matt Busby the revered though feared Father Figure watching over his fiefdom, generous to those who followed his teachings and ethics, contemptuous of those who desired change. Busby was a great manager and a great man, flawed and damaged by tragedy but he lived for The Club and couldn't understand why others did not and despised those who caused it harm. Lets hope Oles tenure as manager is less fraught and more successful than that of his predecessors who followed Busby and Fergie!
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    Surely you can't replace an 'immortal.' It's a paradox
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    dbs235 Full Member

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    Came in here to say the same. If immortals were that easy to replace then they wouldn't really be immortals. For example Barca are still class but they aren't going to be able to replace Xavi/Iniesta any time soon.
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    TRUERED89 New Member

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    Exactly, and our examples would be Giggs and Scholes, it's going to be a long time if we are to see players who spend 20+ years at the top! with United, especially at the level they were.
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    We can only expect players of that quality to come along once in a generation, anything more would be quite exceptional.

    What you can nurture and develop are the players who are just below but are great all the same. Maybe the Martials,Carrick,Robben,RVP etc

    For every immortal( if you get one), you should look to develop half a dozen or more good and potentially great players to support

    Greenwood could get to that level, we'll have to see.
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    Neil_Buchanan Cock'd

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    It's not a paradox, it is extremely difficult and rare. Just because you reach the peak doesn't mean that somebody else can't also do it or even surpass you.
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    Then say that, and not use words like 'Immortal'

    We've had our fair share of them at Utd:Charlton, Best,Cantona,Ronaldo and we won't see the like again.

    Others? Yes we can aspire to that level
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    deadrevelz Full Member

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    There was a documentary made recently for BT I think about the fate of the club after Busby retired which is well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
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    Neil_Buchanan Cock'd

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    I agree, powerful words like this are used far too often, every half decent player is a legend these days. Then what do you say when you find someone or something that is truly worthy of such praise?
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    redmanx Full Member

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    I believe the Immortal references were being applied to Busby and Fergie who are immortalized in the ethos of Manchester United due to their successes' and football philosophy.