Varchester City 18/19 discussion

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  1. May 30, 2019

    DevilAgeIdiot New Member

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    You're not making a lot of sense Padre.

    4- I'm somehow using point 3 to justify point 2 in your mind.


    What is the actual point of your imaginary convoluted and numbered bullet points?
    If you are agreeing that your owners and PSG's owners too are dispicable human rights abusers and murderers of innocents in Yemeni and who are lying and cheating our regulations to sportswash their brutal regime then why are you even comparing their unprecedented spending of billions of oil money and their financial doping with the hard earned football money of legitimate clubs?

    Also why mouth off about the history of Italian football as if that typical weaponised rhetoric of whataboutery, somehow legitimises or softens or at the very least distracts from the brutal UAE PR racket ?

    There are many good City fans who simply do not support the illegitimate, nation state PR project at the Etihad.
    I think theyve made the right choice.
    Now as for your good self Padre is concerned I appreciate that you are (in your support of the Etihad project ) indeed ethically compromised but if you do in fact agree with us about the owners and their dirty money project, then rather than wasting your valuable time indulging in such whataboutery fantasies of defence (United spend money so why can't we?, look at the bad Italians and so on..) and insulting United supporters on a United fan forum, why don't you simply refuse to support the club until the scum have been forced out.
    That is some amount of hypocritical cynical gymnastics you are performing in your bold professing of your ethical hatred for the owners whilst you continue to cheerlead their disgusting project on a rival fan forum.
    Put simply, put your money where your mouth is.
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    And if you had annihilated them, do you think the press would have made any mention to the fact Cisse cost more than their entire squad? I don't think they would, as they would have viewed it as a 'natural' result as Liverpool are a big club and it's perfectly fine for them to outspend their rivals and win trophies as a result.

    Why was it any different to when Arsenal beat Aston Villa 4-0 a few years back? That's what can happen when you get one team that is clearly superior to its opposition. Watford lost 4-0 to Bournemouth this season, and they lost 5-0 at Anfield. City played one of our best games all season in that final, it was not a 'normal' game. At the Etihad we beat Watford with a big helping hand from the referee awarding an offside goal. We won the League Cup on penalties against Chelsea, we beat Liverpool to the title by a point, and we got eliminated from the CL by Spurs. People are acting like City are untouchable and are dominating like no team before in the history of football. It's ridiculous hysteria. It's the first time we've retained the league title since our takeover. As I've said numerous times, when United won eight of the first eleven PL titles, of course football was fine then, but now City have won consecutive titles, we've ruined football.
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    Clearly you understand the difference is that City are being investigated for their breaches of Fair Play Rules?
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    Not sure where this debate is heading, but it seems clear that true to form, many City fans have fallen for the Khaldoon Al Mubarak smokescreen PR machine.

    Regardless of whether or not they have broken transfer records, this is not the only influence on inflating transfer fees. They have the most expensive side ever assembled by some distance, in order to compete, domestically and in Europe their competitors must spend more, therefore demand for elite players is higher, therefore prices increase. Yes this could have happened were any club dominating like this, however its City, not Barcelona, not Real Madrid and not Manchester United. Clearly City aren’t intentionally doing this but naturally they are!

    Similarly the argument that this “Non-football” investment is benefitting the game!?! If Manchester City give other clubs around the world £1b of transfer fees, the inflow of cash naturally pushes up prices, hence a net impact for the receiving club when they look to replace their players. After receiving €70m for DeBruyne, Wolfsburg would naturally have been expected to pay a premium for his replacement, as their selling club would be aware of their stronger financial position, this cascades all the way to the bottom of the game. THIS IS WHAT INFLATION IS!!! If a country injects money into their economy prices go up, its pretty basic economics.

    The fact remains, City are the club currently under investigation for breaking FFP.

    Take the example of Lance Armstrong, a sportsman who took performance enhancing drugs to give himself an unfair advantage. Rightly so, his achievements were disregarded/ de-valued upon this knowledge. If City have broken rules to give themselves and advantage that their competitors are abiding by then their achievements are naturally de-valued. Whether or not the club deems the rules to be justified/ fair or not, they have signed up to them and therefore should abide by them.

    By nature of these allegations the media and opposing fans are bound to be sceptical of their successes.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    yes I agree thats exactly what they are doing. You'll find no argument from me on Cities owners being absolute pieces of shit who bought the club for PR... none. If you remember back this very simple to follow thread was about inflation, and you dragged it off on the human rights curve, the nani guy has made zero claims to back up his bullshit, and I've not yet seen a single piece of anything even near remotely thought provoking never mind evidence to say City are guilty of inflating the market.

    I was simply pointing out to said Nani guy, who said Italian football wasn't owned by "shady" individuals, exactly how wrong he was. My first port of call was Berlusconi who he said was an anomaly. I then pointed out that City aren't the start of this bullshit its been around forever. Giving the guy a history lesson on where he's clearly wrong is very different to using said shitty owners to justify Cities. There is no justification of Abu Dhabi's human rights record.

    You seem to think that I think ADUG is some white knight who rode in too save football, far from it. I openly criticize them on everything they are guilty of. What I don't let slide is rubbish like "they pay players under the table", "they bribe Uefa". I also state that they weren't the first to use soccer to do this. I will also back up we are not the first football team to receive huge investment.

    On why I defend City.. I only do when the argument is wrong...
    The fact our owners are absolute shit houses has zero effect on the fact that so far at least, the Moores family pumping money into Liverpool in the 70's had a much bigger impact on english football than ADUG and CFG so far (6 titles in 8 years and a couple of CL's).

    When it comes to it, I like to point out that other clubs shit stinks as badly as Cities even if they won't admit it, United for example being bailed out from extinction twice due to terrible management and done for match fixing (which relegated Chelsea). Where would United be without those today.. who knows, maybe still the biggest club in Europe, maybe they wouldn't exist. None of the fact that benefited United for example has any effect on the fact you were the best run club in the world for about 30 years until Woodward took over.

    We've all got our own shit bag owners at times, we've all got skeletons in our closet. I will in no way defend Abu Dhabi's regime, never have and what goes on there can never be justified, but I will also call out falsities and stuff that is clearly conspiracy theories and just wrong (inflating the market, the only sportwashed club in the world, ruining football (all things that have been going on before City). City are not some super club in my eyes, we're everything we should stand against.

    I hate to pick on Liverpool but are they really a self earned club when they were pretty much just another of many big clubs before the Moores money? And it was said money that pushed them to the massive status they now have? The arguments on financing and human rights are completely different ones. Cities owners are doing at City what has been done many times before financially (albeit on a different level). Why they are doing it has been done before. None of which makes what they are doing outside of football ok or inside football, but what they are doing in football has happened many, many times before.

    Are City a morally worse club? Liverpool who ran off to Dubai throwing themselves at DiC to try and get their own tyrannical regime as owners? Exactly what makes a club like Liverpool a proper club in comparison to City. I'm only using Liverpool as an example of many...
    They were just another of the many good but not hugely successful clubs in England before huge investment.. sounds familiar despite Cities previous 15 years they were still in the top 10 most successful english clubs of all time.
    They went out of their way chasing investment from "shady" middle eastern business men. The difference being after 2 years of trying, Dubai didn't bite and Liverpool sold their club to a leech they had previously turned down.
    Liverpool have a match fixing blot on their history (threw that game to United to relegate Chelsea) both clubs were also found guilty and had players banned for life.
    Their supporters behavior is well known.
    Their main sponsor was fined 1.1bn for money laundering and funding terrorism, Liverpool refused to cut ties with them.

    Arsenal literally bribed their way into top level football and established themselves doing exactly what City did 100 years ago but are they a proper club in comparison because it all happened so long ago?

    What exactly is a proper club? Because the examples I get of clubs that are "proper" in comparison to City are the Liverpools, Uniteds, Arsenal's, Juves, Milans and Real Madrids and all of those have a past history thats probably worse than Cities. I should add City as a club not Cities owners.

    Why would I walk away, I support City, though thick and thin, good and bad. Just like you would stand by United though thick and thin good and bad. The owners are not the club, they are a shit stain on a club with over 100 years of history. A club that will still be here after all the controversy dies, just like every other club.

    City are the ultimate symptom of a game that was broken long before Adug... we are pretty much football reaping what it sewed and its horrible but football has always been that way. It doesn't make us right or fair, its makes us the same as the hypocritical clubs who think they are better just because all their shady shit was in the past.

    Sorry about the novel, but now you're being more civil we can actually talk with the need to trade insults.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    Don't forget United have something like 3 or 4 9-0 wins in the premier league (something City never achieved) and they beat Arsenal 8-2.. beating Watford 6-0 is somehow much worse. Liverpool also have handed out a few massive spankings. They beat Porto 5-0 in the CL recently, again an absolute mullering of a much better team than Watford. I can't understand that logic. If we were constantly winning by 3 or 4 goals I'd say fair enough but we usually win by 1 or maybe 2.
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    Any attempt by City fans to turns this on Liverpool is pointless. We operate within sensible business guidelines of profit and loss.
    City are owned by a morally bankrupt state which engages in torture. City’s achievements since 2008 are morally tainted and worthless in the eyes of all non City fans.
    I understand City fans love their club. I can appreciate they are loving winning trophies after so long of no success.
    Even if you wanted to admire the skills of Aguero, DeBruyne and Silva you just have the specter of corruption always hovering in the background. City fans read the Der Spiegel report into how City have circumvented FFP. Financial doping on a scale hitherto unseen in football.
    City fans, try as they might, will never be able to put forward a morally justifiable argument to validate cheating
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    DevilAgeIdiot New Member

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    Your convoluted attempts to rationalise your compulsive 'whataboutery' cheerleading of the brutal oppressor's project, on a rival fan forum, exhibits an incredibly libidinal and glaringly paranoiac attempt at suturing the split ambivalence that is symptomatic of your truly schizo- affectively elaborated defence and is actually quite tortuous to witness.
    Put simply you can not have your ethical cake and eat it too.

    "Just like you would stand by United though thick and thin good and bad."
    An unfortunate presumption which highlights the impossibility of your positioning regarding the antagonism/conflict, dispicable brutal owners versus club loyalty.
    If the foul UAE took ownership of our club I would personally boycott completely until we forced them out. One simply can not, if one is to maintain any sense of subjective I.e. ethical integrity, condemn a club's owners and yet defend their spending and cheerlead their project on matchday because it brings one a libidinally attached, buzz of enjoyment.

    ".. other clubs shit stinks as badly as Cities.."
    Again this borders on the infantile delusional. Complete paranoid denial of reality and also a denial of your own claim to understand the ethical bankruptcy of your owners.

    "Liverpool... are they really a self earned club when they were pretty much just another of many big clubs before the Moores money?
    Arsenal bribes...blabla"
    This is simply pathetic deflection, aimed to distract us from the reality of the vile Etihad project.

    We are not children Padre.
    We are adults responsible for our ethical choices. Fate (I did not choose the owners) has nothing to do with your responsibility of choice here.
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    Sparky Rhiwabon Full Member

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    Are you sure?
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    100% on FFP and I've stated this many times on here that if proven guilty we deserve to punished harshly.

    Not the most expensive side assembled by some distance, the difference in cost between City and Uniteds squads for the season just gone was less than £100m so one Paul Pogba. We also pay less in wages than United are refuse to break our set limit on transfer. Zero influence on inflation is wrong on my part and I should say less than Barca or United would probably be a better description and without City we would still be seeing the same transfer fees sadly.

    tv money for example is a far bigger reason for inflation than City or United or any one club. As is the horrible closed shop CL money, the way said tv money is distributed outside of England, and the lopsided nature of the PL's income. It prices clubs with less out of the market for good players. Clubs like City are an addition to this problem, not the problem itself. Its why the Steau's etc.. get fecked and a repeat of 1986 is impossible.

    I've never said Cities investing is good for the game, I believe football always was a shit show and still is.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    Off the top of my head there was 9-0's vs Ipswich Town and Forest.

    Actually checking it out I am wrong there was a 9-0, an 8-1, a 7-0.
    T'was Liverpool who beat Palace 9-0 always though that was United.
    Chelsea also had two 8-0's.

    Cities biggest win is 7-0.
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    City fans need to leave all other clubs out of this except perhaps PSG.
    Only City are being investigated for possible breaches of FFP.
    If City fans had any moral fiber they would boycott games as long as they are owned by the UAE.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    Thanks for the diagnosis.

    You can say that all you like but you wouldn't. Its easy to take the moral high ground. But I must ask why haven't you boycotted the club for their relationship with saudi telecom, and gulf oil middle east. Because you are a hypocrite? Or does it take ownership, where is the line that sets off your moral outrage because its not taking money from brutal regimes or else you wouldn't support United.

    Again this is not defence, just a statement of fact.

    So no answer on the Liverpool one, for a man with so many big words you've said nothing.

    We are and I choose to support City whilst disliking the ownership.

    You choose to support United despite clearly knowing your club have been in bed with the Saudi's forever, also have a sponsorship deal with a state owned Qatari bank. Practice what you preach, good man. Put simply my good man: You cannot have your ethical cake and eat it too.
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter

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    Yeah, because concerns about their spending came up only after they were put under investigation by FFP.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    Why? FFP is only a small part of the subjects being discussed here, human rights is another as is clubs being given shitloads of money to elevate them up the table ala Liverpool.

    I'll not take lectures from a Liverpool fan on moral fibre.
    Your club were found guilty of match fixing. Your club supporters murdered 39 people and celebrated as they lay dead in a car park. Your club were gifted money though the pools. Your club attacked a bus of players not 18 months ago. Your behavior in Barcelona is all over youtube. Your club whored themselves out to DiC for years before the City deal even happened.
    Edit: forgot this one, your club refuse to cut ties with a sponsor who were found guilty of funding terrorism in Iran.

    Moral fibre from a Pool fan... please.
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    BobbyManc Full Member

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    That's funny because in March 2014 Liverpool's club accounts documented a loss of over £90m for the 11/12 and 12/13 season. FFP permits only a loss of £37m over two seasons. Had your team actually qualified for the CL, they would have been punished as City and PSG were.
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    BobbyManc Full Member

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    The breaches refer to the time when we failed FFP anyway and were punished for it. City are not being investigated for any breaches of FFP over the past few seasons.
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    City fans still trying to deflect. Rotten morally bankrupt owners who have rode roughshod over FFP. Read the Der Spiegel report.
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself Staff

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    People should calm the feck down.
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    Liverpool also failed FPP, and would have failed it again apart from some £50m expense for a ground that hasn't even had a spade put into the ground.
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    I don't see how being punished for it nor that it happened 4 years ago makes much difference. The allegations are that you have a squad of players built over a period of time, during which, the club broke financial rules. The spine of the squad from this time is still at the club. You gave yourselves an unfair "leg-up" a few years ago which continues through into current seasons. We all know the punishment then was not fitting of the crime, most likely because of threats or brown envelopes exchanging hands.

    The alleged scheming and plotting to circumvent the rules means that nobody trusts that there isn't still foul play at work. Therefore you surely appreciate there is going to be greater focus and sceptacism surrounding your success.

    I think one of the main issues that opposing fans have is that City fans are constantly making themselves the victims of the evil "Cartel"and UEFA who will allow nothing to stop them bringing down the plucky challengers to the status quo! How dare anybody question Cities successes and how they achieved it. This is a sentiment propagated by the club, a dreamt up conspiracy theory in order to protect the ultimate aim of the "Sportswashing" project and to create a tribal us Vs the world culture amongst its fans.
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    nore1975 Full Member

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    Your owned by a country which tortures people. Nobody values what you have won since 2008. City will NEVER command the affection and respect that Liverpool commands throughout the world.

    Heysel and other scandals you associate with Liverpool has nothing to do with City buying the league title, circumventing FFP and being owned by a morally bankrupt regime.
    It’s not about taking lectures from fans from other clubs. We’re merely pointing out the facts.
    No matter what you win United and Liverpool will always be bigger clubs than City around the world.
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    You came on this forum moaning about City's spending. I pointed out how, for instance, when Liverpool last won the FA Cup they had one player who cost more than their oppositions matchday squad. You then mentioned how Liverpool operate sensibly. I then pointed out how you made losses totalling £90m over two seasons which is far in excess of what UEFA's FFP permits. I presume if I looked through your post history I'd fine the comments where you condemned Liverpool taking money from Standard Chartered, given their links to money laundering and breaching anti-terrorism regulations?

    Now type that without crying, mate. You've got a European final to look forward to on Saturday, I'd suggest you focus your attention on that rather than letting your failure to win the league at the hands of City consume your every thought.
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    Oh we are looking forward to another European Cup Final. I ain’t crying trust me. I feel sorry for City. Winning a treble and having it meaningless. It should have garnered more credit than it did. You know why that is.
    At least United won what they won by fair means. Let see City do that!

    I’m incredibly proud of Liverpool this season whatever the outcome on Saturday. If Tottenham win it then fair dues to them. If we win it, it will cap a remarkable season.
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    Who was the leg up unfair to?
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    I cannot defend the owner of the club on human rights issues, nor have I sought to, and nor will I ever do. Nowhere in my post did I seek to defend the owner. You should read posts more carefully.

    My point was relatively simple, but let's break it down even more simply in case there was any confusion:
    1) The abuse of human rights anywhere is horrific
    2) We all agree on that
    3) City are owned and have received funding from someone who has undoubtedly benefited from the abuse of human rights
    4) We all agree that this is not acceptable

    So now, here's the crux of my point:
    5) Many other football clubs and football organisations receive sponsorship funding from state-owned companies who have undoubtedly benefited from the same abuse of human rights
    6) We should all agree that this is also not acceptable, but we don't. Why is that?

    Whataboutery would imply that I deny the issues related to City's owner. I don't. I never have. Consistency would imply that we agree that all funding from people or companies that have benefited from the abuse of human rights is rejected in football. I admire your concern for human rights, and I share it. Demanding that City do not receive funding tainted by human rights is absolutely fine, I would support this and I would support the removal of City's owner on this basis. But you must also demand that other clubs do not receive funding tainted by those same human rights abuses. If you don't, you are effectively providing those clubs with a competitive advantage over City. That seems a very strange place to be if your overriding concern, which you claim, is human rights abuses. And it may imply, that your overriding concern is not actually human rights abuses, but in ensuring your own club's competitive advantage.

    My intention is consistency, not whataboutery. A lack of consistency suggests self-interested hypocrisy.
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    :lol:

    When we started building up that squad rules never existed against it. They were then brought in as a result of pressure from established clubs like Inter (hilarious given their history of huge financial losses sustained by the personal wealth of Moratti, who made his fortune in oil, and their own subsequent problems in complying with it). This is not a conspiracy, this is based on testimony by Platini who brought it in.

    Yes, I fully appreciate why people would want to criticise City's success, and their scepticism towards our revenue. Likewise, you should accept that there are perfectly valid reasons why people would criticise UEFA's FFP and view it as a tool purely designed to preserve the privileged position of the elite clubs. How, for instance, can any German team really challenge Bayern Munich in the long term? It is an injustice that a club like Dortmund has such a small chance of winning the Bundesliga at present, in spite of making smart investments and developing players like Sancho. Yet no one seems to care about that. This is the issue I have. People lamenting City's success and how we have achieved that do not really care about fairness or equality in football, all they care about is that their own teams fortunes are suffering as a result of it. Believe it or not, I'd love a system in football that redistributed revenue more evenly throughout the league, so that there was not an insurmountable gap between clubs like United and Everton, because that gap exists with or without City's investment.
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    nore1975 Full Member

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    Back to on field matters regarding City. Where do City fans feel they need to strengthen next season. I presume a replacement for Fernandinho is required. A centre back perhaps. Will Silva move on? Does Pep leave if he wins the champions league?
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    For me, the most important transfer is not someone we bring in, but someone we keep: Leroy Sane.

    Keeper: N/A
    Left back: N/A
    Centre backs: Kompany has gone and Otamendi may follow, so we need one new centre back. If Otamendi goes, I hope we promote Eric Garcia to 4th choice after his performances in the cups.
    Right back: Danilo may go, but even if he does, don't think it's a priority.
    Holding midfielder: we definitely need back-up/replacement for Fernanindho
    Attacking midfielders: outside chance D. Silva goes, but even if he does, I think we're fine here with Foden taking more minutes
    Wingers: hope Sane stays, then we don't need anyone
    Strikers: N/A

    So yes priorities are definitely central defender and a holding midfielder. An attacking midfielder/winger if Sane goes.

    On Guardiola, he has 2 years left on his contract. I have no idea how important the CL is to him and whether he thinks that will complete his job at City. I would hope regardless he fulfils his contract, and I hope he extends even further. There's no-one out there better than him for us.
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    I imagine the owners will want to win the Champions League given the scale of investment since 2008.
    Without first team football keeping Sane will be hard I imagine.
    Will Zinchenko continue at left back? Where does that leave Delph/Mendy
    Does Foden become a 1st team regular next season?
    Is Jesus a viable replacement for Aguero? If not who is?
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    Of course, every club wants to win the Champions League. But it's a cup competition that requires a great team and a bit of luck, and only one team can win it. The past two years we've probably had a good enough team to win it, but had a couple of poorly timed off nights combined with a bit of bad luck. That's cup football and that's how it goes sometimes. No drama. Khaldoon said more or less the same in the end of season interview.

    Yes I agree, I think Sane was hard done by towards the end of the season. If I'm picking what I think is City's best 11, then he starts. At left back, Delph may be sold, but Guardiola has suggested he's fine with Mendy and Zinchenko as the two options. I don't think Foden will be a regular starter, but I think he will play significantly more minutes as D. Silva either moves on or winds down, but he'll still be competing with KDB and B. Silva! Up top, Aguero is undisputed first choice in current form, which is harsh on Jesus, because he might not be as good as Aguero, but he's better than just a bench player.
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    What's frustrating about all this City Talk is that Citys dominance isnt special or anything we haven't seen before. Which makes all this trembling in fear and disgust even more puzzling. United went through a period of something like 8 in 11. United as recent as mid and the late 2000s was winning 3x league in a row and CL as well. LIVERPOOL went through this as well. As did so many other giants around Europe.


    The biggest issue with City at least in the eyes of others, is people dont view City as a big club. Hence not worthy. If this had happaned to Milan or Inter or even Atletico Madrid. Nobody will care. In fact people will appluade and say Atletico deserves it. So they can go against the Barca Real giants. To be fair, City supporters is pretty below par and maybe the investment should have gone to an Arsenal instead.....
  33. May 30, 2019

    Whiskey Red New Member

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    Umm I think your find its because your a plastic playtoy for a nation state.
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    Jack - City Fan New Member

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    Lots of reassuring talk about Pep staying which is nice for us.
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    BobbyManc Full Member

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    There was never one even slightly credible source linking him to Juventus. It was all a bit bizarre and I don't know how anyone took it seriously. There was zero chance of Pep leaving this summer.
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    in Italy and especially on twitter, they're getting crazy. They are pretty sure that Guardiola will be the next Juventus coach. No newspaper, Tv or Di Marzio are talking about, but the fans are convinced of it. Announcement tomorrow, presentation on June 14th.
  37. Jun 12, 2019 at 12:51

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    It's obviously Juventus that are putting this out there. They need a new manager & Pep is first choice. This will only be antagonizing him though. He won't want the constant speculation when getting ready for what will what will be his last & most important season at City.
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    BobbyManc Full Member

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    He has two years left on his contract, so next year is by no means his last. Depends how everything goes. If he wins the CL he'll definitely leave a year early in my view. The news is definitely coming from Juventus though. It's no coincidence that when the rumours first started it prompted a rise in the share price of Juventus.
  39. Jun 12, 2019 at 13:21

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    If you win the CL next year then he will see it as job done. You will in all likely hood be banned from Europe in 20/21. It's widely reported he has a break clause should the club be unable to offer CL football. You'd expect him to activate this if the need arises. He has said previously that he doesn't see himself managing out of the CL.

    There are also the off field issues that are now coming more into focus. Pep obviously isn't responsible for the actions of the owners. The problem is that the longer you hang around shit the greater the chance of you starting to stink. We don't know how many more revelations are to come but we do know there will be more. Pep will have to decide how long he stays in the burning building before saving himself. If he get's it wrong his reputation will be damaged beyond repair.

    He's done after next season any way you slice it.
  40. Jun 12, 2019 at 13:33

    BobbyManc Full Member

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    I've not read that anywhere. Source please.

    It's wishful thinking to describe City as a 'burning building'. The club has not been in a better position in its history. I'm looking forward to this season as much as I have any other. If City are a 'burning building' I'd dread to think how you'd describe clubs the other 19 clubs in the league.