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Was he really 'hard' or just dirty?

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Needham, Apr 13, 2019.

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    Needham Full Member

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    Hat tip to @77 who raised this in the Tommy Smith thread.
    Is any player thought of as hard nothing more than dirty?
    I'd say they are.
    Even someone as unappealing in his playing days as Vinnie Jones could take it. McMahon stud-stabbed him in the shin in revenge for the 88 Cup final reducer and Jones wouldn't show pain.

    John Barnes was up close when Josimar launched over the ball to assault Stuart Pearce and it was Josimar who was hurt.
    So are there any 'hard' ones out there who were nothing more than dirty?
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    Eleven-Eighteen New Member

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    Title of your sex tape
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    Regulus Arcturus Black Full Member

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    11101 Full Member

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    Neil Ruddock.

    Hard in his own mind only, and maybe if you get in between him and a steak & kidney pie.
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    Needham Full Member

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    You're a bad man. (The title of yours)
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    Samid follows Pogue around, fixing his images

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    Souness? Constantly on his 'game has gone' meltdowns but from the clips I've seen he was more a dirty leg breaker than a hard man as he often tries to portray himself.
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    Melville Red Full Member

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    Sorry are we discussing cnuts now?
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    Melville Red Full Member

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    My god nobody has mensioned our own Bryan Robson and indeed Roy Kean.
    Those two were hard bastards, ok Roy did over step the mark once or twice but my god we could do with his like now.
    As for Tommy Smith, he was a bloody good footballer and goodness knows why he only got one England cap. Mind you Sir Alf dropped our Nobby who was a bloody good hard midfielder for Alan Mullery which sums up why England got knocked out of the 1970 World Cup by W Germany.
    T Smith was a good hard tackling footballer, dirty? No he just played when football was football and fellow players weren’t cheats who went over for a free kick at the slightest touch. Today’s footballers are spoiling the game by their constant cheating.
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    Bestietom Full Member

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    Vidic was hard.
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    Back in the day every team had one or two get your retaliation in first merchants, no harm in that as it was a man's game, now you've got guys with their lives history tattooed on the thighs and necks(and I don't even want to imagine how painful that must have been to have done) yet go down as if they'd been shot if somebody touches them on the shoulder. I know which I prefer.
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    Adam_S New Member

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    Ryan Giggs on Bryan Robson.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...repares-for-Cardiff-return-ahead-of-40th.html

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    horsechoker Sailor vee, this is a right off.

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    Maybe LVG wanted our players to be hard when he said wants the teams to be horny.
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    Can7onA Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:
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    I've never seen booting people on purpose as they try to play a game as particularly tough. Seems kind of sad when people talk as if it does.
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    Pfft fake hard man just a dirty player
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    It's not a good thing that people went around deliberately trying to hurt opponents. Going over the ball and stamping on someone's knee isn't hard it's a cheap shot.

    Say what you like about the 'good old days' but I prefer football to be about skill and controlled aggression, not retaliation and 'reducers'
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    Whiteside - equally hard and dirty
    Hughes hard as nails
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    That united team with Robson ince keane bruce pallister Hughes cantona could play football or mix it up with the best
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    :lol:
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    Just can't imagine Ryan actually saying that to Robbo(not on the field anyway), he must've known what to expect in the first-team, he had players like Nicky Butt and Karl Brown being his minder in the academy, did he think he as one of the more talented players he wouldn't need that when he moved up to the senior team, I doubt it.
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    Tommy Smith, a good servant and stalwart for Liverpool, hard as nails and could dish it out when necessary. "You never had to worry about anyone getting down your right side when Tommy was playing" this was a comment from one of his fellow defenders (cant remember who?) when Smith retired.
    Gave us some grief down the years, but a true footballer RIP.
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    our dirty player = hard

    their dirty player = dirty

    outside of that, some could play & some couldn't

    what more can you say - it was a very dirty game back then & 'physical' even when they weren't outright kicking each other

    also the tactical shape of the game seemed to be that there were more passes into areas for players to chase, balls to feet could get you clattered from behind & so on - it was violent, basically
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    P-Ro Full Member

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    Was Roy Keane actually hard? He was very mentally tough and dirty but he'd get destroyed in fight against a genuine hardman like John Fashanu or Duncan Ferguson.
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    I only know Simeone was a dangerous pig on the pitch, and now an annoying-talkative pig on a suit.
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    Vinnie Jones claimed in his autobiography that Steve McMahon was the hardest player he faced as a player. The clip shown on here was nothing compared to what McMahon did to Jones in the first meeting between the clubs after the 88 final. It was mid-way through the first half at Anfield when Steve launched a full on side kick on Jones that Bruce Lee would have been proud of. It very nearly snapped him in 2. VJ was down for a good 5 minutes receiving treatment. At one point they brought on a stretcher. Full credit to the Wimbledon man though, he eventually got himself up & played the game out. So both men were as tough as they come. They could both take it as well as dish it out. When McMahon was at Everton he was one of the few players in the league who'd stand up to Graham Souness out there on the pitch. It's probably the reason we signed him to replace Souness when he left.
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    Tommy bigot with fetish for footballers getting fingered

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    Gattuso was hard, but I wouldn't call him dirty.
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    There's always people saying this sort of thing on facebook and youtube clips and it normally comes from abu's.

    He was hard. Make no bones about it. He was brought up as a boxer and didn't back down for anyone. There's a reason he's always mentioned by true tough players who played against him.

    Obviously it doesn't mean he's necessarily going to win actual fights against 6ft 4 animals like duncan Ferguson. But he wouldn't back down
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    Yeah. He was just a cretin. Millwall was a match made in heaven.
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    Like Nobby, he could play a bit. Often overlooked with hard players and these two were hard.

    Snowflakes putting us right about what football was like when they weren’t around to witness it, overlooking the present day, bulked up speed merchants who go crashing through a player and justify it by claiming they made contact with the ball, then go down like they’ve been shot when somebody so much as breathes near them. :D:rolleyes:
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    Vidic is the definition of a hard AF but not dirty player.
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    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

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    And another sex tape title...
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    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

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    Roy Keane was / is hard, yeah.

    I'm gonna buck the trend a bit here and say that I think Wayne Rooney is fecking hard and would utterly batter most other players - especially in his peak.
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    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

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    Oh, and Dennis Wise - little hard fecker surely.
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    Random Task Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Duncan Ferguson was a hard man by all accounts.



    He went to jail for that headbutt :lol:
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    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

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    Nah, I reckon he could handle himself.
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    Curtis Woodhouse had a successful career in the Championship before quitting to switch to boxing where he became a British champion. I think Francis who played for Norwich did similar.
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    Jaap Stam was a hard but not dirty, Zlatan was hard but did have a dirty streak to him
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    Robbo
    Hughes
    Keane
    Vida
    Rooney
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    Tommy bigot with fetish for footballers getting fingered

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    Rooney did the dirty on someone just a week or two back in the MLS. He's always had it in him. Don't buy that he's particularly hard, either.