What could have been of Ricardo Quaresma ?

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    SportingCP96 Full Member

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    To start off I would like to say I have not posted in a VERY long time but I always keep up with the caf just been busy with life anyways on to the thread it self.

    I have seen many threads and people commenting about Ravel Morrison and his talent and what could have been which really got me thinking of another player with talent that most players can only dream of.
    That player in question is none other then Ricardo Quaresma a name I'm sure many on here have heard of before.

    He came through the youth ranks of Sporting's famed academy alongside Cristiano Ronaldo both were touted for great things but both went very separate ways. While both at the academy Quaresma was dubbed the more naturally talented of the two and the one to have a better career. As we all know that did not exactly happen while Ronaldo went on to win 5 world player of the year awards and being in the conversation as arguably the GOAT along side Messi, Quaresma has lingered around the Turkish super liga (no disrespect) and the Portuguese league. One thing tho stays to be true Quaresma was always the more naturally gifted of the two and his ability on the ball is quite remarkable. His skills and attacking ability added with his phenomenal crossing ability gives him all the traits to have become one of the games elite wingers sadly that did not happen. To be a top player you can not rely only on natural ability but you need that mental aspect of the game and drive to be competitive and to want to do better something he never had and that he also admitted to. Whoever saw Quaresma in his first stint in Porto knows how good he could have become. Anyways I know this was a very random thread to start but it was something that was on my mind. Lastly hello to all the Portuguese members and to all the caf members in general!


    I will leave you all some videos showcasing his talents. What do you guys make of Ricardo Quarsema?




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    TsuWave Full Member

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    was always a very talented player. don't know why it didn't happen for him, according to you he admitted not having the hunger so maybe that reflected in training and managers picked up on it. sometimes being so talented can be counterproductive as you can coast doing the bare minimum and that leads to stagnation and whatnot
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    Alex99 Rehab's Pete Doherty Scout

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    Talented youngsters get by without having to work too hard because they're just better and no amount of effort from anyone else is going to stop that being true.

    They get snapped up by an academy and suddenly they're surrounded by other people just as talented which is when it becomes sink or swim time. They either work hard and shine, or coast and slip through the net. For some, they are supremely talented and that still shows while they're in the youth ranks.

    Those that make it into senior setups (or the cusp of) are now not just surrounded by people just as talented, but by many who are far more experienced. If you've made it this far without having to work and you're now 18-24, it will be very difficult to shake that mentality.
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    ghagua Full Member

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    Was a huge fan of his before Ronaldo arrived on the scene. Was devastated when he signed for Barcelona. Shame it did not work out for him. Not sure if it's his work ethic or whatever that held him back from becoming truly elite.
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    Vidyoyo Self-confessed coffee shop chat-up expert

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    Sounds like he has/had a bad attitude. Pretty much the opposite of Ronaldo who, apart from being a bit of a diva, is a great professional.
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    Basically, this. We all know tons of players like this from our respective countries. In Germany, someone like Marin springs to mind, although on a lesser level. In today’s football, United’s own George Best might have become a similar case.
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    I like and agree with what you said at the end because he has World class talent and he maybe thought that could take him the whole way through which made him stagnate especially when he played at bigger teams. In Barcelona was the exception as it was the wrong move for him. As for Inter mourinho is a very tactical couch and Quaresma is a player who needs freedom on the pitch to showcase all of his natural ability and only one coach really understood that whuc was Jesulado Ferreira at Porto who said stricting him and letting him be free to showcase all his natural ability would turn him into an average player instead of the genius he is.
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    When Ronaldo and Quaresma were first mentioned here around 2001/02 - it was generally Quaresma who was more highly thought of. Just shows how raw skills and talent are only just that without an incredible work ethic to spur them to new heights.
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    That's exactly it tbh he is a player who needs to be loved by the fans and coach that is what sparks him. Similar to Nani the difference is Nani was able to show the peak of his talents at the highest level in the 2010/2011 season. Quaresma was never able to tho being the more talented player.
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    Quaresma is one of my favourite players of all time regardless of his failed spells at Barca and Inter.

    He has still had a fantastic career; A legend at Porto, an Icon in Besiktas and a Euro's and Champions League cup winner.
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    Yep it was always said eve today I believe he is the more naturally gifted but his work ethic is nothing close to that of Ronaldos.
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    Why isn't Ben Arfa a world class player, why is Emre Mor struggling for minutes at a club like Celta? Because talent is only half of the equation and without maturity, intelligence (at least on the pitch) and work ethic you won't be more than a midtable hero.
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    Also one of my favorites if you or anyone else saw the videos above you cans ee how much of a joy he is to watch . It makes you wonder how much better he could have become.
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    One thing he's better at than Ronaldo: outside of the boot shots. I like seeing those. :drool:
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    People forget that football is a job. Like in all jobs, there are talented guys, and there are talented guys who will putting in the shifts and the extra hours, and the passion day in and day out. The latter are the ones coming out on top.
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    From Wiki... this about sums him up for me

    former Inter boss José Mourinho stated:

    His time in Italy was not considered a success, with him being given the Bidone d'oro award for the worst footballer in Serie A for 2008.[9]
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    He wany anything special when you think of so many other footballers who were amazing on the all as a youngster but didn't go on to achieve much.

    Professional football requires a lot of intelligence and reading of the game than just on the ball skill. Adel Taraabt has more skill on the ball than mctominay but he's not a starter for united

    Overall I don't think he had the talent because people forget having a strong mentality and good reading of the game is also part of being talented.
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    He still had a good career nevertheless. Technique wise he is one of the best I've seen and he did this kind of stuff pretty often.

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    Best won the Ballon D'Or and was considered by many the best about in 68 when United won the European Cup. Who knows what his ceiling was if he wasn't an alcoholic.
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    I am going to have to disagree with you because he can very well read the game and is a world class talent i think that much cant be debated. Now his work ethic and discipline is what was his downfall.
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    Flashy, highly technical, yet no right mentality.

    :drool: Sick outside of the boot shoot/cross skill though.
    ^ I'll forever remember him because of this sick skill of his, so good, flawless, elegant.
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    Probably the best I have ever seen doing the Trivela and Rabona so efficient with it . Who needs a left foot when you can do that aha
    Ohh and very flashy indeed :drool:
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    Hugo Viana was another one who came through at that time at Sporting. Went to Newcastle and couldn't impose himself there and his career fizzled out.
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    Viana was a talented midfielder and his best stint was in Braga but I think he never had the ability to play for a TOP TOP club more so a mid table team in England or a team like Braga who are easily the 4th best team in Portugal. Similar to that of Renato Sanches who I simply have never rated.
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    I am not sure he was ever a complete package. He was always just about the skills, more a freestyler than a top talent all around footballer for me, so I never really got the hype around him.
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    His crossing ability is up there with the lot he can place the ball like a dime on any players head and has a decent shot on him as well has scored some crackers.
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    He’s had a great career and won pretty much everything. He may not have become a world class player that he should have become but he’s done well.

    On a personal level, I’d rather watch his YouTube videos over most other players. His Porto videos from his first stint were mesmerising.
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    In the first video I posted about him which it shows his "Top 20 skills " the one at number 3 vs Setubel was breathtaking.
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    Newcastle were actually pretty good in those days, not the relegation threatened version they are now. Played regularly in the CL back then.

    His problem was the usual for his type, little bit too lightweight and slow for English football. Newcastle had a very strong middle also, Laurent Robert, Gary Speed, Jenas, Solano, Bowyer and Kieron Dyer all options when he joined the squad.
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    I remember that team from there UEFA cup Clash with Sporting but nonetheless I don’t think he was good enough to cut it at the top clubs . I should say tho that I did like Hugo Viana especially at Braga .
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    I know I'm a Sporting fan and I'm supposed to hate the guy but it's impossible to do so even though he's a cnut. He's crazy and he could have been better but he's had an incredible career nevertheless. Football is missing more players like Ricardo Quaresma, I don't care where it is or how much it costs but if Quaresma is playing a game of football I'd pay to watch it. One of the most entertaining players and characters football has ever seen.

    Pretty funny how for all the tricks he's done throughout the years his career highlight will be a tap in against Croatia. He wasn't even that good but I'll never forget his Euro 2016, the cross against Hungary, the goal against Croatia, the penalty against Poland, the nutmegs on Allen in the semis and the headlock on Koscielny in the final. There were 3 minutes to go in the Euros final and the guy was doing rabona passes :lol:

    He's a big game player, on a good day he's one of the best crossers I've ever seen and he's going to go the World Cup where he'll have his last chance to show some magic on the big stage. Despite being disapointing overall considering his potential, it's a career full of highlights that plenty of people will never forget. He's geniunely idolized by a huge amount of people here and he's a legend at Porto. He didn't actually fulfill his potential but you can't ask to achieve more than what he's done.
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    Great response indeed and as a Sporting fan I agree it’s just impossible to hate this guy. He even has said he has massive respect for Sporting he just enjoys the game and ignites it with his skill and he was a big part coming of the bench in the Euro. As for the Rabona passes in the latter stages of the final ... for some players can be seen as showboating but for him it’s just a natural part of his game .
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    I remember him and Ronaldo tearing England apart years ago. Think it was an u18 match. They were by far the standout players
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    Better yet when they absolutely out classed Brazil in that friendly in 06
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    Silly tricks ≠ Talent
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    You must have not seen a lot of Quaresma then because when you turn those “silly tricks” into opportunities to make chances and score goals and open up the field for your team mates and then being able to cross a ball straight to the head of your teammates THAT IS talent.
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    Wasn't it in the Toulon tournament mate?
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    Them two taking the piss out of Brazil was even better a few years later. It's crazy that it's 2018 and they're still playing in the national team together as 2 stand out players.
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    I have never seen this video ! Thank you for sharing !