1. Draft game threads in the Football Forum have been moved to a new Draft Games Forum. This is to keep the Football Forum more on topic.
    Dismiss Notice

What do we still need? Post Summer 2017 edition

Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Devil may care, Sep 1, 2017.

  1. Feb 4, 2018

    Ballache Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2004
    Messages:
    15,232
    Location:
    Stockholm/Beirut
    For next season, assuming we go with a 433.

    RB: Valencia, TFM
    LB: Shaw, Young
    CB: Bailly, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, VNL
    DM: Matic, New
    CM: Pogba, Perreira
    CM:New, Herrera
    WF: Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Sanchez, Mata
    ST: Lukaku, New

    New DM to rotate with Matic (No idea who). New CM to start with Pogba (Kroos would be a dream) and a backup striker.
    Sell Darmian, Blind, Fellaini and send McTominay, Tuanzebe, Gomes and Chong on loan.
  2. Feb 4, 2018

    #00F New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2018
    Messages:
    16
    Supports:
    Barca
    There is some serious delusion in these sentences.
    Why would we sell Rakitic to anyone exactly? We don't have shortage of funds, and top of that new Nike deal starts next season. If anyone wants to take Rakitic, pay the release clause and convince him to move. His clause is at 125m.

    Also, Rakitic doesn't play the Iniesta, Coutinho or Paulinho role. I don't know how many matches have you seen rakitic play, but he is not even remotely similar to the players you named. And Iniesta is definitely not going to play next season (or even if he doesn't retire he would be playing very less). We are buying Arthur to reinforce our CM position, no plans or logic to send one of our best players away. People will laugh if you bid 40m for rakitic.
  3. Feb 4, 2018

    paulscholes18 Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    11,476
    Down to me it would be Weigl or Jorginho, Savic, Sandro and Meunier, we would be set to challenge on all fronts next season

    DDG
    Romero
    Meunier Lindelof Bailly Sandro
    Valencia Smalling Jones Shaw

    Weigl or Jorginho
    Matic
    Savic Pogba
    Herrera Pereira

    Sanchez Lukaku Martial
    Mata Rashford Lingard

    Plus TFM, Tuanzebe and McTominay to make up the 25 man squad

    If Jose sticks to 4-2-3-1 would be surprised if he went all in on Griezmann or Dybala
  4. Feb 4, 2018

    Sean_RedDevil Twitter bot

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2004
    Messages:
    17,022
    Location:
    Manchester
    :lol::houllier:
  5. Feb 4, 2018

    royboy16 Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2009
    Messages:
    5,669
    Location:
    The moon gave me flowers for funerals to come.
    How do people rate Mousa Dembele seeing as we are looking for midfielders ?
    Havent watch alot of him this season but thought he was excellent against us and liverpool today.
  6. Feb 4, 2018

    C'est Moi Cantona Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2014
    Messages:
    5,184
    Would like to think we'll get two midfielders in the summer, Mensah back, and buy a couple of young talented players, hopefully that Fulham lad been one.

    The conundrum is Rashford, as in an ideal world he'd be good competition for Lukaku, but he's been struggling for a while now, if he steps up great, if not then maybe a loan wouldn't be such a bad idea, afterall he's still so young, if that's the case then we need a striker.
  7. Feb 5, 2018

    Adnan Twitter machine

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2013
    Messages:
    10,194
    Location:
    United Kingdom, England
    “I don’t want attacking players so don’t speak about attacking players. We have Mata, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Alexis - I don’t want attacking players in the summer.” Mourinho

    Fullback and midfielder then?
  8. Feb 5, 2018

    svastian99 New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2018
    Messages:
    125
    We need a DM ... maybe someone like Casemiro (Madrid), Jorginho (Napoli) or Fabinho (Monaco).

    LB: maybe Layvin Kurzawa (PSG), Dalbert Henrique (Inter).
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2018
  9. Feb 5, 2018

    Devil may care Full Member Verified Moaner

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    28,276
    Was this from last week or the post match stuff yesterday?
  10. Feb 5, 2018

    Adnan Twitter machine

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2013
    Messages:
    10,194
    Location:
    United Kingdom, England
    I think from yesterday
  11. Feb 5, 2018

    Adnan Twitter machine

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2013
    Messages:
    10,194
    Location:
    United Kingdom, England
    I think Chong will be given a shot at RW. Which I think is the right decision.
  12. Feb 5, 2018

    YouOnlyLiveTwice Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2014
    Messages:
    4,832
    From the embargoed post match press conference yesterday.
  13. Feb 5, 2018

    MyOnlySolskjaer Creator of Player Performance threads

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2014
    Messages:
    11,647
    Location:
    Player Performance Threads
    I think expect 3 signings at the very most. Our attack will be untouched even with Zlatan leaving due to the sheer numbers we have. Same for CB's, we've got a lot of cover and Bailly coming back will do us wonders. Can't see RB either with the progress of TFM and the current form of Valencia.

    That only leaves:

    CM as the most necessary signing. Might even see 2 players for this position, ideally a big money box-to-box player and a Matic understudy/competition. Maybe even the other way round.

    LB is another position in which we could see an improvement. Young is 33 and we're yet to see if Shaw can be the dependable figure we need. Also expecting Blind and Darmian to leave as well which will encourage a signing for this position.
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2018
  14. Feb 5, 2018

    Devil may care Full Member Verified Moaner

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    28,276
    Thanks guys, reiterating what he said so it seems he's adamant about the attack, personally I am not convinced it's the right call, numbers-wise I guess if he's going to actually go with 4-3-3 as our regular formation, but personnel-wise, less so.
  15. Feb 5, 2018

    Adnan Twitter machine

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2013
    Messages:
    10,194
    Location:
    United Kingdom, England
    He also says, "For speculation for the summer, you have to go to other areas"

    I think he'll go for a CB too
  16. Feb 5, 2018

    Devil may care Full Member Verified Moaner

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    28,276
    Cheers, he seems very definite, which at least means nothing daft like buying Bale, but I still don't think the mix is right.

    If we get a CB I think we'll sell one, otherwise Axel is never going to even get into the rotation. Alderweireld's down to one year left on his contract so I could see Jose going for him.
  17. Feb 5, 2018

    Flytan Full Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2013
    Messages:
    2,345
    Location:
    United States
    Wouldn't mind too much if we don't go for someone to replace Zlatan since we have a few younger players who could function as a backup to Lukaku.

    Big area is the midfield. Need someone to start along with Pogba/Matic and then someone to give Matic rest.

    2 Midfielders and a CB are needed most. Followed by backup fullbacks
  18. Feb 5, 2018

    settembrini Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2015
    Messages:
    2,122
    After Mourinho's latest comments I am now firmly in the 'spend big on a top class CM and go 4-3-3' camp.

    6 attackers: Lukaku, Rashford, Sanchez, Martial, Lingard, Mata. Plenty of options although obviously we need one of them to be good on the right which isn't the case atm. Ibrahimovic is obviously leaving.

    6 midfielders: Pogba, Matic, new CM, Herrera, McTominay plus either Fellaini or Pereira. (If Fellaini renews then we will sell Pereira I think, if Fellaini leaves then we will keep him). Looks okay.

    Too many defenders: Shaw, Young, Rojo, Bailly, Blind, Smalling, Jones, Lindelof, Fosu-Mensah, Tuanzebe, Valencia, Darmian, new RB. If we aren't buying a RW then a new RB becomes even more important. We definitely have a lot of deadwood in defence that should be cut. Darmian and Blind barely play so they can go but I also want to see a CB leave.

    Only buying two players like Mourinho has talked about should mean we only go for the absolute best and pay whatever it takes.
  19. Feb 5, 2018

    Adnan Twitter machine

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2013
    Messages:
    10,194
    Location:
    United Kingdom, England
    I hope we go all out for Miralem Pjanic and a Fernandinho mk2 like @Murder on Zidane's Floor put it in one of his earlier posts.

    Who this Fernandinho mk2 is I have no idea but a player of that ilk is needed for the big games imo.
  20. Feb 5, 2018

    Nikelesh Reddy Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2017
    Messages:
    762
    A box to box midfielder who can play alongside Pogba(I would go for Vidal),a deep lying playmaker to compete with Matic a new RB to compete with Valencia and a ball playing CB who can carry the ball forward.I wouldn't sign a LB because I think that Shaw will really establish himself as a regular next season...
  21. Feb 5, 2018

    Murder on Zidane's Floor You'd better not kill Giroud

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2015
    Messages:
    2,497
    He really is a rare type because he is very disciplined but still great on the ball.
  22. Feb 5, 2018

    Bolal7700 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2017
    Messages:
    34
    Not saying this just on tonight's game but doucoure could be worth a shout for cm/cdm position. Looks immense going forward whenever I've seen him play and solid defensively. Would definitely free up Pogba
  23. Feb 5, 2018

    Sayros Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2015
    Messages:
    961
    For CB, I feel Jose will go after Raphael Varane this summer. He's a big fan of the guy, and Madrid is open to negotiations. Now, sure, the guy is injury prone and hasn't progressed much since he came out on the stage at 18 years old, but he was already a pretty damn solid CB from the word go and I wouldn't mind seeing how he does in the Premier league.
  24. Feb 5, 2018

    SS Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2016
    Messages:
    2,526
    Just sounds like a bad idea all round. Last thing we need is another injury-prone CB. If we sign someone, it needs to be an experienced leader to partner Bailly.
  25. Feb 5, 2018

    L1nk Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    483
    Pjanic, Weigl, Tierney, Meunier

    2 CM's, 2 FB's, some outgoings, job sorted. I want Pulisic but unless an attacker leaves I don't see it.
  26. Feb 6, 2018

    Sayros Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2015
    Messages:
    961
    I agree, the club is all set with Phil Jones as it is, but I'm not calling it a good or bad idea; I just think this is who Mourinho will go after.
  27. Feb 6, 2018

    Valar Morghulis Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2015
    Messages:
    458
    Location:
    Braavos
    Supports:
    BBW
    That would be close to perfect, I'd rather sign Sessegnon though because I think he's going to go on to be a star. Also these incomings indicate we'd switch to 433. If that is the case, then Mata is completely useless to us and should be replaced by Pulisic as you suggest. We'd be huge contenders to City next year if we got those purchases.

    Seems like we're only going to bring in 2 players though according to Jose, so most likely we're going to be scrapping for top 4 again:)
  28. Feb 6, 2018

    Irish Jet Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2012
    Messages:
    1,065
    I think Pulisic is probably the most overhyped player going. I mean he's clearly good but he's not exceptional by any stretch. The only thing exceptional about him is his nationality it would seem. Bailey is the far better prospect if we're looking to the Bundesliga.
  29. Feb 6, 2018

    Irish Jet Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2012
    Messages:
    1,065
    I think Sessegnon is a certain target and a guy who can play multiple roles. Mourinho would love him.

    In:
    Sessegnon - £30-40m
    Kovacic - £40m
    Milinkovic-Savic - £55-65m
    Gimenez - £35-40m

    Out:
    Blind - £10m
    Romero - £10m
    Carrick (retiring)
    Fellaini - Free
    Smalling - £20m
    Darmian - £10m
    Ibra - Free

    Final squad of:

    De Gea/Pereira

    Valencia/Young Bailly/Lindelof Gimenez/Jones Shaw/Sessegnon

    Sergej/McTominay Matic/Herrera Pogba/Kovacic

    Sanchez/Mata Lukaku/Rasford Martial/Lingard​

    Still have Rojo and I can see Gomes getting games too.

    Is a powerful squad with depth and variety with a lot of the deadwood gone. I think we'll see more variation with the formations and lineups - We simply can't have Matic and Lukaku playing every game next season. Kovacic and Sergej could themselves form a great midfield and would be great signings. I could see Sessegnon being an incredible wing back - if our attackers are out of form he would also be an option on the wing. Outstanding prospect - Maybe the best in the country.

    This is also pretty dependent on our attacking play improving from now to the end of the season. A lot of those attackers and I'd include Pogba from midfield really need to start producing if we're to be as reliant on them again. Sanchez should see us improve significantly - The question is whether or not it's adequate. The group still lags behind City's.

    Edit: Apologies for the double post.
  30. Feb 6, 2018

    Trizy Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2014
    Messages:
    10,021
    CB, RB, RW, CMx2

    Likely positions to be added CMx2, RW.
  31. Feb 6, 2018

    JoaquinJoaquin Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2014
    Messages:
    6,283
    Location:
    Truth Nightclub
    Us signing another CB in the Summer would make the whole Lindelof experiment a complete failure, and I can't see Jose cleaning his hands of that just yet. I think once Bailly is back we are more than equipped in that position anyways. I'd like to see Rojo given more game time at CB now with the prospect of moving one of the calamity brothers on in Summer.
  32. Feb 6, 2018

    Zlatattack Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2017
    Messages:
    2,448
    Summer 2018
    RW- If we haven't got this position sorted by the end of the season.
    Carrick Replacement
    Fellaini Replacement
    World class CB
  33. Feb 6, 2018

    Kaushalmanutd Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    15
    IN-
    Jorginho
    Nabil fekir
    B2b if fellaini leaves(Vidal)
    Meunier

    OUT-
    Blind
    Darmian
    Fellaini
    Carrick
    Ibra
    Mata


    Degea

    Meunier bailly lindelof shaw

    Matic
    Jorginho
    Pogba

    Sanchez Martial
    Lukaku




    Degea
    Meunier bailly lindelof/smalling shaw

    Matic/jorginho

    Vidal/Fekir pogba


    Sanchez/Fekir Sanchez/Martial

    Lukaku/Rashford
  34. Feb 6, 2018

    L1nk Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    483
    I'm not sure of many better 19 year olds playing at his level in the Bundesliga and CL, of course he is raw as hell but the talent is there for all to see, i'm not bothered about his nationality but you can guarantee the Glazers will be. You point out Leon Bailey but he is predominantly a LW, i point out Pulisic because he is predominantly a RW, which is inherently what we lack. Personally i would prefer Julian Brandt than Leon Bailey as well, but just my 2 cents.
  35. Feb 6, 2018

    Seven Seas Sardines Full Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,264
    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    This.

    Pulisic €50m
    Kovacic €50m
    SMSavic €70m
    Umtiti(c) €60m

    = PL 2019
  36. Feb 6, 2018

    bucky Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2011
    Messages:
    7,071
    Don't think much has changed for me. Alexis should make Griezmann unnecessary. I'd still love us to sign Lemar, Pulisic or Bailey, but we can't have them all. I don't think we need another striker.

    Getting Meunier depends entirely on what PSG are able to do this upcoming summer and they would need to buy another right-back, which I can't see happening. I can only see them sell Meunier, if they go for Fabinho. If we truly wanted Fabinho, we would have signed him by now. We need to get younger at RB though, so it's either Ricardo Pereira or Nordi Mukiele for me.

    As for LB, I wouldn't trust Shaw to stay fit and unless we bring in R. Pereira we need a player there, since Blind and Darmian will be sold and Young can't be the makeshift full-back for long. Alex Sandro is the obvious choice, Jorge the other IMO. Sessegnon seems more like a winger long-term, but if he's brought in as a LB that would be adequate, too. Perhaps Wenger is daft enough to sell us Maitland-Niles, he looks promising as well, can't see it happening though.

    Rodrigo is far an away the best option as competition and eventual successor for Matic IMO. I'd prefer him to Weigl. I am not sure, if Madrid are actually willing to sell Kovacic, if not there are other options to explore. Cyprien, NDombele, Seri and Kondogbia could be alternatives. I'd prefer the first 2. Saul, Koke and Thiage are worth mentioning, but they are a pipe dream.

    So all in all: R. Pereira or Mukiele, Alex Sandro or Sessegnon, Rodrigo, Cyprien or NDombele.
  37. Feb 6, 2018

    Robbo* New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2013
    Messages:
    319
    Sessegnon and Lee O'Connor could be absolutely incredible wing backs in a couple of years.
  38. Feb 8, 2018

    El-Manos Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2011
    Messages:
    10,060
    Location:
    Ireland
    We'll definitely get a midfielder after that it's a bit of a mystery. I reckon we won't sign more than 3 anyway.
  39. Feb 9, 2018

    MyOnlySolskjaer Creator of Player Performance threads

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2014
    Messages:
    11,647
    Location:
    Player Performance Threads
    More chance of a defensive position than RW.
  40. Feb 9, 2018

    Seven Seas Sardines Full Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,264
    Location:
    Buenos Aires
    Fabinho(£40m), SMS(£60m), Bailey(£40m) and Sessegnon(£40m) would constitute a perfect Summer for me. We could probably get £65m from Blind, Darmian, Herrera and Mata, which brings us to a net spend of £115m.

    IN/OUT
    Fabinho (Herrera)
    SMS (Carrick)
    Sessegnon (Blind)
    Bailey (Ibrahimovic)
    TFM (Darmian)
    Pereira (Fellaini)
    Gomes (Mata)

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    That backup X11 has frightening pace and agility. Tuanzebe to come in for the 4th choice CB in 2019.
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2018