Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Devil may care, Aug 11, 2018.
Time to open the war chest Woody. No excuses.
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night
He's gotta be strong
And he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the morning light
He's gotta be sure
And it's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life!
Larger than life
We need to invest literally hundreds of millions.
Spend it on young English players like Sancho, Wan-Bisakka and Rice. Can't go wrong with then IMO.
Only English player I would love to spend it on, it's Sancho as he has talents to be the world-class, not rice and WBA, they look like the next Young/Smalling/Jones, we don't want it. Last time we got good English players is Carrick in 2006 and the rest have been average.
For every Rio, there's 10x of Jones, Smalling, and Young, etc.
Liverpool tried that path especially in 2014 and 15, they have gotten worse. No thank you.
Some are saying we should buy experienced RB as we have Dalot and buying someone like AWB of same age will hamper his development.
As Dalot can play both LB and RB, anyway he will get plenty of game time over the season. Plus Young need not get any more mins as backup.
Goals and creativity.
4th on GD.
5th or tight squeeze for 4th.
It's going to take more than just the buys to make us into a PL title winner, it will take time and coaching to gel the players, but I am curious as to what buys you think would take us to 2nd next season? A team capable of splitting the current top 2, if not fully ready to win the league.
Just don’t think it will be possible to do it next season, we’re playing catch up and we’re 2 or 3 Summer windows behind and we’re not ruthless enough.
We won’t be able to make ruthless decisions like replacing Lukaku, buying a RW, buying competition for Martial, replacing Jones, Sanchez, Young, buying competition for Shaw, replacing Matic and Herrera in one window.
Loads of holes in the team if we want to challenge for the Title:
Right Back (arguably both fullbacks)
DCM - hopefully a new top class one can make a good midfield three with Fred and Pogba
The whole front three - none of them are top class let alone world class
I genuinely want us to sign a RB and CB first. Our defense is dogshit. RW and CM should be our 3rd and 4th priorities.
We’re way off, a title challenge. Agree, about the front 3. People spending £400m in this thread, and still playing Martial LW.
We need, control and creativity in the midfield. Creativity in the wide areas. Lingard and Martial, have 9 assists between them, in 75+ games.
I see it differently, to you. I think a RB and RW, should be prioritised. Then a midfielder, then a CB. I certainly wouldn’t want us, to spend huge amounts on a CB, if we have limited funds.
Whilst we’re not, solid at the back, better ball retention in the midfield would help. If DDG was more commanding, we’d be better defensively also, lots of catchable crosses, that he just doesn’t come for.
Realistically, 4 players in, this summer and will probably be saying the same next summer. It’s a unbalanced squad.
Lots of decent/good players, who can do a job, but not many exceptional ones, who can change a game.
I guess, it all depends on who leaves. Losing both DDG & Pogba, priorities would change.
I think our biggest problem since Moyes was manager is that we never play a balanced team and so we have to rely on individual performances to get a positive result. If we were to play a balanced team without signing a single player I think we would do better than people think.
The only senior player in our squad that can play effectively on the right of a front 3 is Sanchez. Lukaku is a no9 or a super sub. Rashford and Martial are both best playing from the left and neither can play on the right. Lingard is 26 and still a 6/10 player over the course of a season, not good enough and should be sold. Mata should be sold as he doesn't fit into the team and has become a 6/10 player over the course of a season due to age. Chong is a left footed, right wing attacker. Greenwood is someone that could hopefully play any position in front 3 as he is 2 footed.
A full season of Martial/Rashford - Lukaku - Sanchez with Greenwood and Chong as back up is what I would like to see. If Sanchez isn't playing or isn't performing play Chong or Greenwood on the right, not Martial or Rashford. If no Lukaku, play Greenwood.
For midfield, if they are all fit, play Pogba in front of Matic and Herrera. McTominay, Pereira and Fred as back up for Matic and Herrera. Gomes as our no10 if Pogba is rested.
Shaw - Jones - Smalling - Dalot for defense. Jones will most likely be injured at some point so our defense then becomes Shaw - Lindelof - Smalling - Dalot.
At no point in the season should we play Young or McTominay at CB, Dalot as a forward, Pogba in any other position other than no10 in 3 man midfield, Rashford or Martial on the right, weird unbalanced formations. Just play a balanced team every single game. 4-3-3 attacking. Pogba as central no10 every single game. LB and RB every game, Balanced front 3 every game. Replace like for like always when player is injured or needs to be rested.
If we sign a new player, it should be a quality left footed right side attacker because we don't know how good Chong and Greenwood are yet and Sanchez might be finished. This is priority number no1, unless both Greenwood and Chong start strong and show they are ready to be first team regulars.
Sell Valencia and Young as both are 33/34 now, as well as Bailly, Lingard and Mata. Sell Grant as he is a pointless signing, academy GK as 3rd choice always. Keep Rojo and Darmian as back up until we sign RB/LB.
What we really need is proper attacking tactics by a tactically versatile coach who knows what style he is going to implement and what types of players he requires to do that. So far, Ole has failed to deliver it consistently. Effort, hard work, Individual talent separately all can be overcome by a well drilled, tactical team with much inferior players if each and every player know their job.
Alderweirld - no brainer for £25m.
Wan Bissaka - him and Dalot can fight it out at RB. £50m
Sancho - our first proper RW in years. £100m
CM - Herrera replacement. Rice? Can fight it out with McT for the DM spot. £50m
£225m. I think spending anymore than that in one window is unrealistic.
It’s by no means perfect, but it’s a good start.
Wan Bissaka - Alderweirld - Lindelof - Shaw
———-——-Fred ————— Pogba
Look at our front three compared to City, Liverpool and even Spurs - it’s shocking. Moura can hardly get a game for Spurs when everyone is fit and yet he’d walk into our set up.
I think the word you’re looking for with this lot is “release”
Ok we have 200 million to spend without any sales. We need at least 5 players so we must spend wisely.
Lozano and Wan Bissaka 2 Players @ 40 million each would solve 2 problem positions
Alderweireld @ 25 Million would help solve another, but I still think we would need another with him. ( maybe Tuanzebe will fit in)
(This comes to 105 Million)
Then we have Midfield where I feel we need a DM and an AM. (Ndombele and Fernandes would be my picks) This is where the big money will have to be spent, unless our scouts find someone we have not heard of yet.
If others leave this summer ( Pogba, De Gea, Lukaku), then we will have more problems.
How is Lukaku leaving a problem? Relatively easy to replace with players of similar or arguably better quality, and more suited to the modern game.
The only player we will have issue replacing is Pogba.
My guess is we will spend £100m, maybe a bit more.
A £50m attacker/winger, a £25m midfielder and a £25m defender. Can't see us spending the £200m+ people are speculating, unless we ship out either Pogba or De Gea for big money.
£25m for a midfielder seems very hopeful. Fred was almost double that.
We'll look for a deal, like when City signed Gundogan for £20m.
Only Aguero and Kane have scored more PL goals than him in the last 4 years. Buying either of them isn't "relatively easy".
Thats a very narrow way of thinking. I'm not saying that goals are not crucial in football, but Kane and Aguero offers so much more than Lukaku does. If he could improve his technique and his movement in the box...
So who would be a relatively easy purchase that you could point at as an upgrade? Only Kane and Aguero have proven that since 2015. Salah is a level above as well, but is there anybody else? None of them is a "relatively easy" buy, as you describe them.
One should be allowed to look outside the PL for Lukakus replacement, eventhough they are not scoring PL-goals?
We need a lot.
RB - 100%
CB - realistically 2, but expect no more than 1
Playmaker - we lack a genuinely good passer of the ball from deep. Carrick appreciation increases by the day
Wingers - we don't have any.
No 9 - if we are to play with a focal point, lukaku doesn't cut it at this level.
Meunier, Konate, Kroos/verratti/brozovic, Pepe/Sancho, Jovic level players needed for a shake up....but I expect nothing of the sort.
Like whom? Morata cost 70 miliion and was a massive bust.
Who would be a "relatively easy" purchase that would be a clear upgrade on a Premier League proven striker like Lukaku? Sanchez couldn't do it either.
Just because you have misgivings about the guy, it doesn't mean that he isn't a top striker.
I think this is most likely what we will do.
If I had to guess our business this summer, it would be something like this:
Alderweireld or Manolas - £25-30m
Meunier - £25m
Fekir - £40-50m
Some random youth prospect - £15m
I think we'll probably fail to offload Sanchez.
Dzeko, Duvan Zapata and Haller. They are not as good physically, but are able to use their frame better, also better on the ball and much better movement.
Jovic is not a "relatively easy" transfer.
I think the Alderweireld ship has sailed. He's a similar profile to Lindelof without being a clear upgrade in either the short or long term.
If we were to buy a CB, I think it'd be a front-foot defender to take over the role of Smalling.
Dzeko couldn't adapt to the English game. Bringing him in for our top scorer would be madness.
You don't throw away the third best scorer currently playing in the Premier League for a gamble.
In your own words, there is no "relatively easy" replacement.
Quality left footed right winger we should be looking at is Adam Ounas. He's been good everytime he's come on the right for Napoli. A shame Ancelotti doesn't trust in youths. He's likely to come cheap, thanks to his few games time under Ancelotti, similar to Coutinho's little game times at Inter before Liverpool signed him.
Any Benfica fans who can say something on Ferro? He looks quality to me. Looks comfortable on the ball with good eyes for pass, can read the play well, comfortable on the left side of defence and fantastic in the air.
The "could not adapt to the English game" arguement is flawed.
Lukaku in EPL for us: 28 goals, 7 assist - 4801 minutes played.
Lukaku for Everton: 68 goals, 23 assist - 11885 minutes played.
Total: 106 goals, 30 assist - 16686 minutes played.
Dzeko in EPL: 50 goals and 10 assist - 7084 minutes played.
From 11/12 season until 2013/14 season he scored 44 goals and 6 assist, having played a total of 5306 minutes.
Comparable numbers? If you remove the first half season and his last season at City, Dzekos number are actually quite flattering. Only issue i would have with Dzeko is his age, but he would be a good player for us the next two seasons if he did not play 90+ minutes each game.
I know the suggestion of signing Bale is, on this forum, used as a synonym for operational incompetence, but IF a deal can be done for approximately £50m and he is willing to take a pay cut - then I absolutely want us to get him this summer. I think we need two attackers. Mata and Sanchez at the very least should be leaving, Lingard is no use to anyone, and Lukaku may also depart. All this talk about signing every u20 forward available is not the answer I think.
I’d add ONE of Felix or Sancho, preferably Sancho, alongside a more experienced option in Bale. It will be ‘Take 2’ of what Sanchez was supposed to do here, but the reality is that Sanchez didn’t do it, and what we wanted him to do still needs doing. That is, a forward who can in the immediate term, deliver consistent goals and threat at the top end of our team while the others are developing.
A group of Martial, Rashford, Sancho, Lingard, Greenwood will not get us any higher than 4th next year. Then Pogba will leave and we’ll be constantly chasing our tail. We need a balance between developing talent and competing. Bale isn’t perfect, but if he can have an RVP effect on us and give us just 2 seasons of near his best, he’ll be worth it. I’d play him as a 9 and get rid of Lukaku. Sancho can then play on the right and Martial and Rashford can compete on the left.
Ok full Muppet mode now
Meunier . Lindelof. Koulibaly. Shaw
We would challenge for the title with this squad and that tasty midfield..... A man can only dream though
Spends £300m on transfers, and still the forwards, look poor. Martial can’t continue as a LW. His Midfield and defence, whilst they look stronger, we need more up top and out wide.
Obviously, we won’t make wholesale changes, in one window.
His squad, wouldn't make us champions imo.
Who is the Paul Scholes of 2019?
I'm not sold on Barella if he is to be signed as a CM to play alongside another defensive midfielder like Matic or McTominay.
Who are the best CM playmakers? Or is it still Kroos? I'd love to hear some suggestions of players that could play in our midfield and really control a game. Herrera/Fred aren't that player so if someone is to be signed to play as a number 8 I believe it should be a playmaker.
Pogba could've and probably should've been that player given his attributes but he only seems to lack the work rate required to be a Scholes/Kroos type player. He has the passing range on either foot but just doesn't have the motivation to be that central midfield catalyst player. How frustrating that we still need to sign a hard-working version of Pogba to play with Pogba .....
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