What does it look like to be a United fan at this point?

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    Green_Red Full Member

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    I think the release of that EA Sports jersey today sums up this club since Fergie and Gill left... We're the Disney of football.
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    It's obviously different for people from Manchester or more generally the UK. But for people like me who enjoyed watching United play, there's no reason to watch games anymore.
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    Read a lot of comments about fans being completely disillusioned at this point and I can relate. I never miss a game but am now asking myself if it's worth getting up at the stupid hours I do (live in Hong Kong) and it affecting my relationships with family and friends because I'm knackered. Some say that that's spoilt and that you'd take the knackeredness if we were playing well. This is true to an extent, but only because I'm buzzing after a top performance and a good win, so tiredness is much more easily dealt with. Unfortunately, week in, week out, we are getting football that is simply painful to watch and the antithesis of what United is all about. I also feel the same numb feeling of others when we drop points, almost like it's so expected now I don't care, whereas previously I would totally lose my shit and be pissed off for ages. I wonder how much this feeling of wanting to switch off correlates with fans of the Fergie generation. Fans, like me, who have only really known success and exciting football. Do fans of an older generation feel this way?

    I will never stop supporting United but I do not support the manager or the owners. Both are killing the club, which is killing me.
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    To me it’s like a girlfriend who has started hanging around with other people you don’t particularly like and is no longer the person you originally met, it becomes hard to relate and the relationship suffers.

    I have been a Man Utd fan since the late 80’s but when I look at the club as it is now with our foreign owners and idiotic leadership (Woody) I find it harder to get behind them, this is compounded when certain players look like they care more about their own profile than the club.

    Football has of course changed and I’m probably just an old fuddy duddy but I think the average bloke finds it hard to find common ground and therefore feels less invested.
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    A lot of people don't understand the difference between losing interest because entitlement and losing fate because sad. See, it's not the results that are the problem. Look at the dressing room, the interviews, the transfer dealings, the body language and performance on the field. The air is bad around United. It's bad to the point many don't believe the people in charge have what it takes to turn it around. I bet if a director of football or someone similar was to be installed and Mourinho fired, while Woody had nothing to do with football, most of the fans who have lost hope would return because there is something being done.
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    Yes, I don't see a valid reason for a Manchester United fan to want Mourinho to stay, he's the opposite of everything an United manager should be apart from the fact he "guaranties trophies", so what does this says about people who want him stay when they are ready to throw out our traditions for a trophy?

    I'm an United fan and I'd never clap or sing for a manager who's proving his incompetence; I'd stand behind a manager who's showing real progress.

    I can't tell to people how to behave, but our match going fans should stop clapping and singing for incompetent managers.
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    I still watch and support them, it's my team and it's been so since I was five. There were some tough transitional times with Fergie, and this moment in time is particularly bad because City and Liverpool are doing so well but that's football.

    I'm much less involved as a fan now though and that's the thing people are saying about style of play and the way the club is. I used to be obsessed with United, it was all I thought about however now the shine is massively taken off, and I go to games like the Juventus Old Trafford game, and the City game knowing full well it's going to be a torturous time ahead of the 90 minutes but that's just how it is now.

    I remember ripping the piss out of Liverpool fans when I was a kid and now we are where they were, just got to take your medicine and look forward to when we turn things around. Nothing worse in my opinion than all the part time fans that will flock back once we start playing better, and the ones that say they will come back when Mourinhos gone probably said the same when Fergie had a wobble (if they weren't in nappies at that point) or when Moyes or LVG.

    Win lose or draw, whichever division of English football, United till I die.
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    I was a season ticket holder until 04-05 until I moved out of Manchester and had been supporting Utd since I was 7. I would occasionally go to a game since then. I always watched as many games as I could on TV or streaming. Since the City game I havent watched a 'live' game, but looked for the score and watched highlights on MOTD. I say highlights, but there are very few of those. I cant seem to get any enthusiasm anymore and until something massive changes dont think I will. Mourinho is toxic, but so was Moyes and VG. Ultimately as many have said, we are looking more like a business and less as a football team. I remember Woody saying he was going to have 'football club' put back on the badge when he took over, but never happened. Woody ultimately has to do Glazers bidding. There is also an anomoly of the amount of money spent on training and scouting over the last few years to build a decent setup youth wise, even the womens team, yet failing to correct the faults of the first team squad and manager. Maybe a DOF will be bought in after Mourinho to rectify this, who knows?
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    Kevin Nostrodamus of football Verified Moaner

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    Is it that bad? What does it feel like to support Leeds for example? Or what does it feel like to support a random small club who you know will never ever get to play in the first division of your country's football league?

    I dislike the situation now and am extremely annoyed with these incapable people at the club but I can wait, it's bad but not that bad.
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    The only ones who can make a difference are the match going fans. They need to turn on him big time but I don't see it happening.

    Personally, it's just like it was under LVG. Waiting for the sack but still watching every game hoping for a win.
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    I agree
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    I still try to watch as many games as I can. I just find it much harder to motivate myself to watch games around 3-4am than I did before.
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    What does it look like? Not too good. I still watch all of our games out of habit, but for the first time ever I feel rather detached. I didn't even feel this way when Moyes was in charge and in Van Gaal's last season with us.

    It feels strangely bleak this time around and I can't pinpoint why this is the case.
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    I've been going to the match for over 40 years but last went a couple of years ago. I've stopped going for a variety of reasons. These days I have zero emotional connection with the club and it's people be it the owners, the likes of Woodward and Mourinho, or indeed the players. I have no interest in cheering on the likes of Pogba or Sanchez. And a big one is the experience of now going to a match which is largely a soulless and dull affair that holds no interest for me. OT is a graveyard.

    I realised this season that a journey that started with pictures of Best on my wall as a kid in the early 70s has come to an end and that the reality is that I'm actually no longer a fan. I don't identify with the United of today and find supporting such a club a completely hollow experience. Our success with a core of local players kept me involved but the club itself I no longer have any love for. And it's not just United - I have zero interest in the Premier League and the people who play the game at that level. I don't bother watching any of the matches

    This season I've been watching a local league two team and it's been great. It's a scaled down version of what going to watch United used to be like years ago and I feel connected and emotionally invested in it and I'll probably be getting a season ticket next year. It's a lot of fun and I really look forward to going.

    So yeh I'm no longer a fan and this won't change if they suddenly start winning again because it was never about that and my support long predates their success. The United I supported doesn't really exist anymore (if it ever did).

    I'd recommend anyone disenchanted with United and top flight football in general to drop down a league or two and get along to a local game, if you don't, where you'll find the spirit of football alive and well. Support your local team.
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    Maybe it's because Moyes inherited a title winning side, so we didn't expect things to be as bad as they were. Then there was hope that LVG would turn it around, which he couldn't. Then there was hope again that serial trophy winner Mourinho would get us back to the top. But we are still a steaming pile of shite on the field and now it's very difficult to find any hope
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    When I'm not busy, even sometimes when I am, the club is on my mind.
    Watching us play used to be the highlight of my week. When we won, it felt like the week commencing would definitely go well, like it was a good omen and vice versa. I would spend the weekdays hoping to see our players play and watch them try to score goals.
    The last few years have taken its toll. I've grown detached from results but not performances. I don't care that much about trophies anymore, I just want to see a good football match with me enjoying watching my team.
    I don't think I have watched an entire 90 minutes this season. For me entertainment has become paramount. I don't look forward to watching us play because I usually think it will be a waste of my time. If I have to miss the match for any reason, I don't give a toss.
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    It feels a bit... god I hate to use this word but I have to... embarassing.

    Here we are, in a sport completely and utterly dominated by money. It's the best predictor of success by a country mile. Transfer fees and above all, wages are as close to reliable indicators of your chances as anything.

    And then here's Manchester United, boasting about record revenues, proudly showing off the latest noodle sponsor. And we are flashing that cash, spending it like there's no tomorrow - and yet we have been terrible for five years now, with a false dawn here and there.

    It's never been easier to feel a disconnect with top level football as a whole: the entire sport is commercialised to the extreme, money dominates - and even in that impersonal, detached world, my megarich favourite club cannot buy a major trophy. Or even good football. In one of the biggest entertainment industries, one of the biggest and richest of its institutions only entertains its arch rivals and no one else.

    So yeah. It's an awkward feeling, being a United fan these days.
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    I won't stop watching our matches. But the focus and intensity with which I follow the games has definitely changed. I've become apathetic to an extent, at least to the experience of watching the game. Our results and situations bothers me in general but that moment to moment feeling every kick, every goal as if it affected you hugely doesn't really happen.
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    Yeah, basically this. At the end of the day, the only thing forcing Woodward’s and the owners’ hands - is money. Hence top 4.

    So until their pocket is impacted, they won’t act. And even when they do act, they seem clueless.
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    It could also be that under Moyes, we did have the occasional game where we put opponents to the sword. And with Van Gaal there were times when we looked as if we were on the brink of clicking into his philosophy.

    But now we're... nothing. No tactics, no direction, no bloody-mindedness, no heart, nothing. It's an all-embracing zombie situation from the players, the manager and all the way to the very top and I don't know how we can turn this around.
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    I won't be watching any more United games till this nonsense is sorted. It's not just that we are so obviously a very poorly managed team that has made me reach this conclusion, it is the lack of decisiveness and a failure to address any of the problems that have been plaguing us since the start of the season.

    We have got a man in charge of the team who has completely alienated our best players through his style of play and his comments in the media. It is obvious to everyone that we are not going to go anywhere as a team with him in charge - I am pretty sure that the board are aware of this as well and that Jose will be removed from his position before the start of next season. The reason - I think - that Jose is not being removed from his position is that the board have given up hope of the club achieving top 4 position even if they replace Jose with a new manager at this point so they are happy to wait till the day Top 4 becomes mathematically impossible to fire our manager to save money on his sacking.

    If we were a football club, Jose would have been fired by now - sadly we are not a football club any more, we are a business first and foremost. And this is the reason I will not be watching the United games anymore till Jose is removed - I support Manchester United Football Club - not Manchester United the business. The board are happy to continue to see us serve this brand of football for a few more months to save some money, but sorry I won't be a part of it.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    We laugh at liverpool but we're heading fast into that area.

    It's only 5 years post saf and we're still blessed with record signing and some trophies but our fans are more toxic than ever. Finger pointing at everyone (ed, Jose, glazer) and bending realities (ed choose moyes to save money, saf has nothing to do with moyes, ed is an idiot of football, jose is past it and looking for the sack.

    I'm up to the point where i gave up on mourinho and it's best that we part ways but some of the vitriol aimed towards him is out of line. Like calling him a cnut seems like the norm these days. Even at rawk i get banned for calling rafa a twat.

    Shudder to think what we'll become 26 years without trophy
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    Couldn't agree more.

    Considering current state of this football club, I think biggest punishment for them would be if people start to unfollow them on social media.
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    I am happy that i am not tagged a glory hunter anymore :D That title is now passed on to the Pep brigade fans :P Also I think i will now enjoy our future success era even more as i wont take success for granted.

    We are like these pampered kids who were spoiled by Fergie in our childhood and are now facing the harsh realities of life. But now we will value any success in future even more.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    Our bullshit with class and united way is what lands us moyes
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    Not everyone. The problem with the current side is not only the now winning issue but we play extremely bad football to go along with it. I do not think we played any bad football for any long periods of time even before Fergie arrived. We played very good football and on our day we would beat any good team but lose the next day to any bad team too. It was the inconsistency that did not win us trophies before Fergie arrived. We were a very good Cup team and won us the Cups etc.
    I remember us beating Barca and Maradona and the rest at OT in the Cup Winnerrs Cup. We should have beaten Juventus in the semis too if we had a full or nearly fully fit team but our team was decimated by injuries and lot to Juve with Rossi, and the 82 Italian WC winning team by the odd goal.
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    Eckers99 Michael Corleone says hello

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    You are so confused about being a football fan. There's no way you've ever been to a game.
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    I still watch United, but I'm not looking forward to our games anymore.
    No longer I clear my schedule to be able to watch us, it's not a priority anymore - very much to my wife's liking.
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    abdo99 Full Member City Lover

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    I've spent probably more time on my phone than actually watching the TV during the games. It's never been that like that before. You couldn't take your eyes off the game but 5 years of Moyes, LVG and Mourinho have killed us .
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    Eckers99 Michael Corleone says hello

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    It's the lack of cause for optimism that's killing it for me right now. If it wasn't for the promising kids coming through I genuinely wouldn't have any reasons to be positive as, no matter what level of the club I look at, all I can see are problems without quick fixes. It's not like 3 or 4 new signings would sort us out as they'd just become sucked into the downward spiral. We're fecked for the foreseeable future.

    It's probably the most dispiriting period I can remember, certainly since 88/89.
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    It's getting harder to justify watching every game.

    I feel disconnect at every level, I hate the money, the skyrocketing agent fees, the absurd wages.

    I don't like the social media part of it, I'm in no way more encouraged when a player tweets that he's unhappy with the result, but promises to go again next week.

    I'm even getting annoyed at the match going fans now, the ones who keep the bubble around the oblivious management going by refusing to boo or standing up against this awful show put on every week because it's not the United way. We can boo Berbatov or Nani, who probably had the last assist from a right winger at this club, but we don't let Mourinho know that these performances, his selections are unacceptable?

    I hate the fact that I can't make my seven year old son fall in love with United. I make him watch bits here and there but he sure doesn't like it, and who can blame him? He'll probably be removed from the home if I make him sit through this much longer.

    Now it's getting to the point I detest our manager. Every goal scored keeps him longer in his job. I don't know how to feel when we score, it was never like that for me under Moyes or LvG.

    I'm probably the worst kind of fan for every top red reading this. But I have dropped everything for watching close to every United match for the last twenty or so years, I just want an ounce of entertainment, don't care about trophies at all at this moment in time.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    I can’t remember 88/89 clearly enough to compare but I would say the “shredding his legacy at every turn” Glazer takeover few years in the early/mid ‘00s felt similarly apocalyptic. I’m clinging to that as an example of how quickly things can turn around anyway. Or Arsenal when Wenger got sacked. Everyone was convinced they were going to go through the same shite we went through. And now look at them.
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    Watching United these days has become a chore rather than one of the highlights of the week. I’m no longer arsed to stay awake at 1:30 am to watch the matches live.

    I enjoy watching top teams face each other more than watching us play (for instance Spurs vs Arsenal was a very entertaining game).

    What we need first and foremost is a manager who plays good football. I am sure that the results and trophies will follow sooner than later.

    Also I don’t feel any connection to the manager and even the players as well. All of them look happy to go home after we lose/draw and post shitty ‘we’ll do better’ messages on social media.

    Like someone above said, maybe it’s time I start following my local team more as well. Money has partially ruined top level football forever.
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    This period reminds me of the early mid 80s, some good players others not, inconsistent displays, then manager was changed in 86 to everyone's knows. We need it to happen again? Soon.
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    Agree with it all, it's a bad time but will always be Utd for me bad poor whatever, there is a change needed and I think as soon as Jose can't get top 4 I'd go for Feb the way were going he be gone, Carrick caretaker manager then whoever they have in mind to give funds to if the glazers want to invest?
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    That was grim. The games against Lille felt like the nadir but we had Fergie and I still felt that if anyone could drag us out of the mire it was him. I think I just doubted the quality of the team back then. Right now I'm doubtful that any level of the whole structure is functioning.

    You're right about Emery though. Early days but he's changed the atmosphere around Arsenal in a few months. Christ, the next appointment we make is huge isn't it? Could dictate the future of the club.
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    Hard to describe it really, there’s not a single player in a team who I’ll lose any sleep over if he left, don’t feel any connection to any of them really, let alone the manager, who I cannot stand the sight of, and then there are the CEO and the owners who couldn’t be further from the football world, I mean, say what you will about Abramovich but he loves the game.
    I really don’t know whether I’m supporting a football club or a business at this point.
    We’re not having much fun here, this is by far the furthest I’ve felt from the club in 23 years of supporting it.
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    Yeah, keeping Jose till we can’t make it to top 4 mathematically is useless. The mood around the club is already bad, and it will get even worse with time if we continue like this.

    Get a caretaker manager for now, and then look for options in the summer. Woodward should also step down from the football aspect and hire a DoF who can be in charge of all football matters.
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    I still support the club I've supported for over 50 years. It's not the greatest but times have been harder.
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    It's not so funny being a MU supporter today is probably the easy answer. What's most disturbing is not that we're losing at times and undergoing some sort of generation change, it does all teams sooner or later.

    No, the most important thing is that the manager and coach do not present a credible plan to reverse the development, a plan that can make us accept or at least understand why we are going through a period of bad results.

    Right now, the only plan seems to be that the competitors will be much worse.