Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by 2cents, Dec 18, 2018.
Some people idolise any old liar...
Nope, he converted a midfielder to a left back who played there all season. Nolito and Bravo cost about 30m, that's Cheaper than Mkhi who Jose replaced after just one season for a bigger flop. Pep has only two questionable signings, one is their second keeper, Jose signed 11, replaced 1 and the remaining 8 looked like they needed replacing. Same players who no longer don't look so useless anymore since he left. He then went to war with the only half decent signing amongst them all. Bought a 50m midfielder he seemed not to even be interested in playing. Stop peddling this crap some people bought it when we were being outplayed by teams like Westham and Brighton feeling the players were probably truly trash. Can't believe this discussion is still being had, I really hope he finds another club soon so some of you can join him there
Last paragraph is your personal opinion. Mine is that Moyes would have won the Europa and FA cup with same players and same teams we met
If he doesn't acknowledge that he was also part of the problem he will only continue to fail
It's looking more and more that once Jose didn't get the players he wanted before this season began, he wanted out and was trying all he could do to get sacked.
The team he picked against Liverpool was setup to be defeated. His replies when reporters asked if the players were not performing for him was a sarcastic dig at the players.
I've got no problem with him saying that he wasn't backed in the same manner as Jurgen and Pep, because from the outside looking in, that clearly seems to be the case. But, when the transfer window shut and the board shafted him, he should've gotten on with the job without throwing his toys out the cot. The last few months of his tenure was not easy to watch for most of us, for what was going on the pitch as well as off of it. And for that, he must take responsibility.
More moaning and excuses for being a bad manager
That milan side that lost in one of the most ridiculous upsets ever was terrifyingly good. One of the best sides i've ever seen. They absolutely pissed the league barely getting out of 3rd gear only when they needed it, and looked frankly unbeatable. The invincibles were a great side too. So were real madrid, although we lacked depth, but our first 11 was incredible
He didn't have to face either of them.
Agree with the majority of this post especially the part in bold. In my opinion, he should have just manned up and got on with it instead of constantly moaning and he should have tried to make the best hand of what he was dealt and kept his mouth shut.
If he had just took it on the chin instead of complaining and acting childish there is a chance there wouldn't be so much ill feeling towards him from so many people.
I think he meant Rooney. He said it was a player who was one of the best of their generation.
And you decided to hold it too for everyone to notice.
Mourinho fans go to great lengths to support their man!
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Nicely written piece in the Guardian yesterday – couldn't find it here, apologies if it's repeated:
José Mourinho must bin blame game and learn from his failings at United
Zlatan's opinion on the Pogba-Mourinho spat:
On the one hand, Mourinho is his mate and on the other, Pogba shares the same agent. He struggles to strike a balance in the narrative as he doesn't want to cross either of them.
lol at that last part.. he got the max he could?? Apart from DeGea he had our best players playing like league 3 players, quite possibly at the lowest of their potential alot of the time.. he took they guys with the most talent and potential and shunned and demoralised them, all while focusing on the lads who should have been out of our squad long ago..
His baffling tactic approach of 'give the opposition the ball and let them make mistakes' , combined with falling out with the players, and talking complete bollocks in interviews says to me he was far from getting the maximum he could..
Those last 7 games that we've won since he's gone.. He wouldn't have wont them all with his approach to the game, no way.. I could see a few wins a few draws and a loss.
I don't care about his tactics, depression, interviews, etc I am saying as it was. Mou got the max results with United in his first two years(same with Chelsea). You judge him because of his third year collapse wich happened because of several reasons.
There are plenty of managers who could’ve achieved more than Mourinho here with the money he spent.
Klopp and Poch managed to create actual football teams, something Mourinho hasn’t been able to do in 2 plus years managing this great club. There’s more to football than trophies. We haven’t faced a single top 6 PL level team winning the EL, it’s laughable to suggest no one other than Mourinho could’ve won it with this squad.
We were being dominated by teams like Celta Vigo and Anderlecht at home for crying out loud, it was a sad state of affairs and I’ve taken miles more pleasure watching the team in the last month than I did when we’ve won the EL or the league cup under Mourinho.
A year and a half I would say, but still in derbies he always came second best. Lvg had a better derby record than him.
Plenty of big teams like bayer or Arsenal or italian clubs failed to win the EL, while reaching Qf/SF. It;s not like they did not want to win it, they we're bested by tad smaller teams who were more hungry. Spurs played with first teams and lost. Chelsea was a big club that won it
Anyway first season was two trophies and CL qualification, it was max as anyone could have achieved. I don't see how any other manager would have done better then this. Maybe finish higher in the league table to 4th but not trophies guaranteed.
Second season, got the best league finish post fergie, behind a godlike City, made to a cup final and loosing to a better chelsea side. I have no complaints because of that 2th place wich combined with the trophies last year put United back on the map, at least via results. Again I don't see how other managers would have faired better, except for beating Sevilla in the 16s and then loosing anyway to the quarters.
So to make it a summary, first two seasons combined all great, except for not beating sevilla. That's 2 great out of 3 seasons, so mathematically he should not be treated as a bum.
yeah LVG had a better derby record but did he finish higher in the league? People accuse my posts because of the current third year, but folk don't get me as I am talking only about the first two years as this year never happened.
I actually agree with this.
We got 2nd place and I think that that was the best which could be expected with the squad he had. I accept the football was boring.
This season, was a meltdown (Solkjaer is proving that) and he had to go.
Nobody knows what will happen in future, or how he will perform, but I think he'll win another batch of trophies with another club. It's a shame that he couldn't win more trophies, for us. The league title, would've been nice.
Our definition of “great” is completely different then.
He’s been a complete and utter failure here.
I don’t understand this “I can’t see how other managers could’ve fared better”, how could you even know that?
How can any United supporter can still have respect for that clown is beyond me?
2 and a half years and I couldn’t tell what kind of football we were supposed to play, that’s bizarre.
A month under Ole and I can see exactly what kind of football he wants to play.
Ole in a month managed to unite the players to a team, something Mourinho hasn’t been able to achieve in 2 and a half years!
Obvious wumming in the last posts.
It's not wumming, it's mathematical point of view in saying 2 out of 3 succesfull seasons, or viewing the full glass, the pozitive. While others view the negative. Same thing at Chelsea 2 out of 3.
There is no positive we didn't win a major trophy nor challenged for one, and that was the reason he was brought in. I don't give a feck about Micky Mouse cups .
Last season was not "great" or "successful".
Finishing 2nd and winning nothing whilst playing shitty boring football is a "great" season apparently.
best league finish post fergie, yeah for me it was good. You think some other manager would have won the title last year or reach the CL final/semifinal. I don't think so.
It was as lame a second-place finish as I can remember in PL history. Plus we had to sit through some truly awful football and performances that approached LVG 15/16 levels of dullness. Maybe another manager might have done better, or maybe not, who knows? But I can think of several that would have made it a lot more interesting.
I don’t think his mindset (which I don’t see changing at this stage) is set for the very big clubs. His ideal club is a team on the periphery of those said teams. A team that have a lot of money and not a lot of success, which he can then rabble rouse to his liking and say “Hey without me, you didn’t win anything” if anyone disputes it.
Their fans will lap it up because they haven’t had said success before and they wouldn’t give two shits if it’s an efficient but effective well oiled machine team that isn’t stylish.
Meanwhile at the likes of Real and Utd, when he dictates his manifesto, the consensus doesn’t quite work because they’re already the biggest and most successful and he wouldn’t be as lauded potentially, because many have come before him and been successful.
He likes to be the little horse as he once said, who beats the big throughbreds and sticks up his fingers up at them when he wins, then says feck all of you who didn’t think I could do it.
Managers don't make players? Is that the new narrative?
Way to disrespect SAF, who was integral in shaping quite a few players into world class.
This makes sense yeah.
Chelsea and Inter fans fans didn't care how shitty the football was, they just wanted to win. At Utd and Madrid you have to play with style as well as win.
Of course if we'd shithoused our way to the Champions League last season I don't think anybody would have been moaning about style, his issue in his last few jobs is he's been playing his usual negative awful football but without winning half as much as he used to.
Mourinho is easier to put up with if you're winning every week and challenging for the major trophies, if you aren't he's got nothing to fall back on.
"Put us on the map" would mean we were considered elite again, which wasn't the case. City did not consider us as title rivals. In the CL, Juve treated us like Red Star or Young Boys, though we lucked a victory in Turin. PSG and Napoli praised Liverpool and called them formidable in the groups; but when PSG were drawn against us, their players hinted it was an easy tie for them and French media were treating it as a bye for them to the QF.
Success is measured by how much rivals fear you. We couldn't get that fear factor back despite the trophies and 2nd, which showed that we hadn't progressed much.
But I don't disagree with your posts fully. Following are my list of positives regarding Jose:
1) First season's unbeaten run with a dominant home record. Some pretty football though not polish and lacking clinicality. Despite the 11 draws, it was enjoyable, we never felt like we would lose a game for awhile.
2) 2 Trophies in the first season. Our EL win was a historic one as it added to our trophy set. Though teams we faced were fodder, atleast Mourinho should be credited for not bottling the chance handed to him on a platter to win cups.
3) Not bottling second place in his second season, though helped by Chelsea and Arsenal imploding and Liverpool coping with CL and thin squad.
4) He signed Pogba and Lindelof. Couldn't get the best out of them, but they are looking good under Ole. Matic too, to an extent.
Overall, better than LvG or Moyes. But certainly not the "best anyone can do", and certainly not a success , considering his rep, his salary and the low bar set by his predecessors.
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Mourinho isnt finished. He's method is still relevant, as shown that he indeed won the cup. No matter what the conditions is you have to win it in at the end of the day, luck or easy run isnt a stick to beat him.
My objective view is that he really fails in man management he can't make his player plays for him and according to his way of playing. The same method works with chelsea and Madrid.
I blame him at the end of the day the bucks stop with the manager, fair play. Man management and esprit de corp is managerial bread and butter at the end of the day.
But I don't think he's quite finished yet as a manager, manager makes mistakes along their career. What seems like eternity for us is a blip in his life. He will or will not learn from it.
Was about to post this. What a fecking clown.
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