What would have happened if SAF had still been manager under Woodward's reign?

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    Slightly random & pointless thread but at least it's not about Mourinho so hey ho.

    What do you think would have happened if SAF had continued to be manager at Woodward-era Manchester United?

    Would we have spent as much as we have in recent years or would the more thrifty hallmarks of the latter SAF days have continued? Would we have operated more intelligently in the transfer market or would Woodward's lack of expertise still have hindered us?

    Some people in the Howe thread have said we need someone to stand up to Woodward. Would SAF have done that? Or would he have been political and done his best to get along without friction?

    Hell, would they have even been able to get along? Or would there have already been a fallout that would have seen one forced out of his position?

    Would SAF's brilliance have seen us competing with City? Or would Woodward's Woodwardness have seen us playing catch up regardless?
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    Fergie would probably be doing time for trying to strangle him.
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    I'd wager that Fergie would have spent a lot more than he did and we'd have at least 3 good strikers competing for places in the team and not just Lukaku guaranteed 90 mins every week.

    Wouldn't be surprised if he went all out to get Cristiano back. As far as I can see Woodward has given his managers money and tried to buy their targets. I sincerely doubt it is solely him who says "50m is too much for this guy" it would surely be a decision made via the opinions of a multitude of scouts, the manager, etc.
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    We would have won trophies because the manager was Alex Ferguson. He’d have loved the millions that have been spent under Woodward. Whether that would have happened or not is debatable. Success dependent, ones assumes.

    David Gill sold the club down a river and left it to Ferguson to steady a sinking ship. Gill ran away before he had to deal with the mess he created. Woodward isn’t perfect but both he (and incoming managers) were left hamstrung by the conscious decision to neglect the first team and service interest payments instead. Straight after winning in Europe, let’s remember.

    It’s wilfully ignored that as CEO Gill allowed the academy to crumble and allowed the scouting system to stand still. So much so that Moyes entered a situation in that football operations were inferior to that of Everton’s. Gill fecked the club and got a promotion. I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire.
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    It would be the usual. Either win trophies or be challenging and falling short a few points.
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    I would have thought that if there was an issue it might be in the other direction? After all, Woodward seems to value a high-profile, galactico style approach to transfers whereas SAF didn't always take that approach.

    There were reports after the summer that Mourinho was told his targets weren't good enough value but that they would have been willing to spend more money on someone like Varane? I think SAF might have murdered Woodward if his preferred picks were sidelined in favour of higher profile targets.
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    Ferguson fecking loved spending. The only reason he didn’t spend more is because he couldn’t. Martin Edwards would attest to that, never mind the Glazers.

    Ferguson played his cards close to his chest during the Glazer era. The United job was a cushy one and he acted like a twat in the build up to the takeover. He got by because he was brilliant. But there’s no doubt he would have spent more money if only it were available.
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    He loved spending but he was also very much the decision maker when it came to who to spend on. Plus even before the Glazer-era he wasn't averse to opting for less obvious targets.

    Whereas I get the impression that Woodward is more hands on in terms of our transfer policy. Certainly Mourinho's comments this summer about being a coach not a manager suggest that's the case. But maybe that simply wouldn't have happened with SAF as the manager?
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    Fergie had God like status at the club. He'd have torn Woodward a new one of he stood in his way.
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    He’d have squeezed another few seasons out of Gill the same way he did Scholes and Giggseh
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    He'd be tired of him in the Gill role but would still win things back to back.
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    He would've had to rebuild, but he would've done it much better than 3 managers we've had since. A lot of players we've sold he'd have kept, and he'd have been a lot smarter with our signings. SAF had a lot of power so I don't think Woodward would've made much of a difference as all he seems to do is stand around and every couple of years point at a manager with no plan.

    The only thing that may have limited SAF is the fact that £75m has become the new £30m, SAF in his later seasons often said that 'there's no value in the market' which I took to mean he thought prices were too high, in which case he'd have needed to re-adjust quickly or we'd have lost out on a lot of targets. Of course it's speculated that he'd been restrained in his spending in his last few seasons due to the debt, which could be true, but it's not really been true in our last 4-5 years.

    Also being in his mid 70s may have limited SAF too, football is an intensive sport so you need energy for it and I don't know if he'd have enough left right now. He deserves his rest really.
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    Nothing good. Fergie would have squeezed another title prehaps but we would probably be in the top 4 all the time which would be enough for the Glazers. And because of that "success" they wouldn't feel the need to invest.
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    The squad wouldn't be such a mess and devoid of quality and leaders.
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    We have spent more under Woodward than we did under Gill.
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    We’d probably be on 22-4 with Cristiano back. :(
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    Levy was a hated man till Pochettino came along. When a club finds the right manager then the chairman gets praise also. If we can get Pochettino then Ed will be a God in the same way Peter Kenyon used to be called 'Cuddly Pete' when things were going superb under Fergie
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    We would have won many trophies with lot of quality players. Who works with SAF doesn't matter, he will make everyone look good.
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    Woodward would be out of a job or at least in an 'alternate' role. He certainly wouldnt be acting mr big shot and mouthing off in papers every few months
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    All of the players We have will be punching above their weights and not being worse than What They actually are.
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    Anderson would still be here, Rafael too.

    Players I reckon he would’ve signed/tried to sign:
    Kane, Lewis Cook, Kante, Mpabbe, Mane, Coleman

    Also we would’ve won 2 more league titles, at worst.

    He would NOT be signing players left and right though, there’s even less value in the market nowadays.
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    He'd have garnered even more success. The club was tailored to run under SAF and for once he'd have had the purse strings to break tranafer records with ease to get who he wanted. That hip injury cost us big. Fergie had not completed his final rebuild. The summer he left he had detailed plans to refresh the squad. We'd have had the likes of Garage, Thiago, Turan, Kagawa would have come good etc:drool:
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    We would have the best squad in the land. Woodward is inept but let's not pretend that most of the trash he bought was not asked for by the managers.
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    I do wonder how he would have rebuilt the side considering how highly he regarded players like Lingard and Jones. With a lot of our experienced players coming to the end of their careers he would have had to spend quite a bit.
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    We would have seen many more Youngsters brought up to the side, and would continue playing attacking football and we would not be moaning as we are now.
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    I’d imagine Ed and Fergie would have had more similar views on players as in youthful marketable players that were exciting would he have been allowed the same funds as others have received who knows, some of the spending we’ve seen could just be because we no longer have Fergie. There is no guarantee he’d have been given the same.
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    We would have made some better landmark signings because agents and players would not be taking the club for a ride like we see with woodward on his own.

    Situations like that with Godin etc wouldn't be happening. Yes there would be press gossip stuff, but actually contacting the club, "negotiating" a potential deal and then just using it to win an improved contract...no way.

    I think Fergie would have bought players like Falcao because the lad had great temperament, but he would have shied away from di Maria.

    He would also have coached and developed younger talent into better squad players for sure. Zaha would have developed with us, Raphael too.

    We'd still be struggling to win the title at the moment, but the gap would be much narrower.
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    I honestly think City would still be the dominant team. The combination of almost a decade of insane spending with a genuinely top class manager (certainly the closest in ability Fergie would ever have encountered in the PL) would have been a hell of a tough nut to crack. I also think Mourinho has a point about how the deeper pockets at all the top PL clubs make it harder to stay ahead of the pack. The days of poaching Spurs’ best whenever we feel like it are long gone. So, in a way, Fergie’s brilliance includes knowing exactly the right time to bow out.

    Of course, none of the above should be taken to mean we wouldn’t be in a better place right now if we’d never hired Mourinho. I’m almost certain all our problems would go away if we could only find the right manager to take Fergie’s place. Almost certain but not 100%.
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    We would have won the league in 13/14 and 15/16. Chelsea's titles would not change, with both Conte and Mourinho winning the league. We would have been a distant second last season and in 2nd/3rd place this season.

    Fergie absolutely hated agent and player power, so the likes of Lukaku, Pogba, Mkhitaryan would have never come. We would have had much better scouting of the league, with players like Kante, Robertson, Maguire being bought from their successful stints at smaller clubs like Leicester and Hull.

    It would be a similar situation to the early 2000s where Fergie was biding his time until Jose Mourinho and the Chelsea oil machine was peetering out and then we would go on to dominate again. Pep Guardiola will leave in 1-2 years once he gets burnt out and we will be the top dogs again if we had a younger Fergie. Of course we would win a few cups along the way because SAF has been a serial winner since his Aberdeen days.
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    Less of a focus on (attempting) to sign world names. For all that Utd had financial power during his time did we ever really try to compete with the likes of Barca/Real, the big Italian teams in the market? The majority of our best signings tended to be up and coming UK based players or hungry players from the continent looking to take their career to the next step. Very few established world names, Veron something of an outlier, RVN was just coming off a knee and had a lot to prove.

    I think he would have been pushing for the likes of Kane very early into his rise, can't see him going for the likes of Fellaini/Mata.
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    There would be a thread called 'Fergie - Should he stay or should he go?' filled with posters debating various points, boiling down to hes either a relic of times gone by or that we should respect what hes done and allow him to do what he does best, while maintaining that the problems are from above the manager himself.

    The words coward and charlatan would be in the top 5 most used on the site.
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    We may not have been as dominant but we would still be winning stuff.