When do they become bad players? Carroll and Torres are two players that have looked very good at points in their careers and then have looked utter shite. We love to laugh at them, but there are many other players which the same applies to. Crouch, Berbatov, Hernandez and Rooney all go through patches of good and bad form. Now I'm not suggesting Rooney is a bad player, he is first class. But his goal scoring at least goes through runs of scoring every game and then not scoring for a month. But on the other players; when does Berbatov stop being a classy forward and start being a Liability? When does Carroll stop being a strong fast striker and start being a generic brute with no skill? How much time do you give these players and is striker the position which is hardest to keep in form?