Where are the goals going to come from? Part 2

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  1. Aug 13, 2009
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    Nope, Chelsea's tougher.
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    Depends how far we go in competitions. Those tallies are all fine as long as each of those players gets plenty of playing time. Thats where your estimates may come unstuck. For example, Rooney and Berbatov - to reach their totals you have come up with there, they are going to have to play a large majority of matches. And that may not leave enough for Owen to get 15.
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    Berbatov was often dropped for Tevez last season, and still managed 15, despite it supposedly being a poor year for him. He's easily capable of it again.
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    You're right, im confusing myself with premiership only and all competition totals.

    I think Berbatov and Rooney could achieve those totals in the league alone if they have a good season and play the vast majority of matches as first and second choice.
  5. Aug 14, 2009
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    Mr. MUJAC Talent spotter

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    Forget all competitions for a minute and just look at the league.

    Ronaldo scored 18 and Tevez 5

    That means that we need to get 23 goals to equal last years.

    We still have a rock solid defence in general so we don't need to score three goals a game or anything like that.

    So 23 goals?

    If Owen is seen as a direct replacement for Tevez......do you think he will score more than five goals?

    If yes.....then we only need another 18 from the rest of the squad. Valencia has been bought and may score a handful. That's 13 we need now.

    So can Berbatov, Rooney, Welbeck and Macheda score an additional 13 goals between them?

    I don't know but with Rooney playing more up front and Berbatov in his second season it's more than possible.

    Personally I'm not worried about our goalscoring.
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    Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict

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    I hope you're right. My predictions were conservative as they include all competitions, but if we score 100 goals we'll have more than covered the loss of Ronaldo (and Tevez).
  7. Aug 14, 2009
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    Cling Bak Hi, I'm Barry Scott

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    Seems realistic enough. To look at last season:

    Rooney - 17
    Berbatov - 14
    Nani - 6
    Vidic - 5
    Park - 4
    Giggs - 4
    Carrick - 4
    Fletcher - 3
    Welbeck - 3
    Scholes - 3
    Macheda - 2
    Gibson - 2
    O'Shea - 2
    Rafael - 1
    Brown - 1

    Ronaldo & Tevez - 40

    Total* - 111 goals

    *I have removed any goals scored in Club World Cup and Super Cup - we won't play in these extra games, it's therefore pointless for us to need to score those extra goals.

    This goes back to a post I made on 1st page about making up the difference (in Ronaldo and Tevez's case - 40 goals difference).

    Rooney can score more, I'd say about 6 more if he plays through the centre. He got 23 in 2006/07, why not again?

    Berbatov scored 23 in each of his 2 seasons at Tottenham, as well. He should score 20 goals.

    Nani's scored 4 and 6 for us respectively. People are hoping for him to rise to the occasion now, which I believe he can. If he repeats 6 it wouldn't be bad going if Valencia did the same.

    Owen is capable of scoring 10 and I agree he can push 15. His fitness is dependent there.

    Whoever takes penalties (Carrick or Nani?) can add 5 or 6 to their tally by default (I don't know how many Ronaldo was putting away per season so that's a guesstimate based on the penalty taker being any good).

    The extras in my quick tallies above total (Rooney +6, Berbatov +4, Valencia +6, Owen +10, penalty taker +6) is 32. Anything Anderson does would also automatically add to that! Not to mention Tosic and Obertan.
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    Ronaldo scored 4 of his 18 league goals from penalties as well to make the task of making up the 23 goals somwhat less daunting.
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    Knowing that we don't have a real clinical finisher (even Owen isn't that anymore) it's a bit worrying cause I don't expect that the likes of Rooney and Berbatov will suddenly score more than last season.
    Rooney specially for all his talent with a better focus could easily hit about 30 goals but he just won't do it at the moment.I'm genuinely worried as I was 3 years ago and just because the team adapted very well at the time it doesn't mean it'll happen again
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    They wont suddenly score more than last season, it'll be gradual and you wont even notice it till after its happened.
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    Yeah right :wenger:
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    I'm slightly worried.

    We weren't good going forward last season, but we had Ronaldo who delivered goals out of nothing every other game. We're not looking any better now, but this time we haven't got such a player.

    Rooney and Berbatov would be fine if we had goals coming from midfield, but we don't.
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    it will somehow sort itself out
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    :lol: Excellent :lol:
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    When was the last time Fletcher scored twice in a match?
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    That wonderful FA cup game against Arsenal in 07/08. Two headers then as now. The first one was even deflected in.
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    v Arsenal two seasons ago when we beat them 4-0 in the FA Cup, both goals that day were headers as well, with one looking suspiciously like it was going wide before it was deflected into the net by an opposition player (Gallas in this case)
  20. Sep 22, 2009
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    Last season, first 6 league matches resulted in 8 goals for.

    This season, first 6 league matches has resulted in 15 goals for.

    Where will the goals come from?
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    Who would have thought Darren Fletcher was a footballing genius.
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    Interesting though that the players mentioned in the original post have only got 3 goals between them and three of them haven't played at all.
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    You do recall the gulf in quality of opposition and tactics employed between 08/09 and 09/10 i trust? I mean before we start handing out the honours.
  24. Sep 22, 2009
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    golden_blunder mijn naam is Golden Blunder en ik hou van team LVG

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    I would consider our first 6 league games to be more tricky overall than last season

    Last Season
    Newcastle WON 1-0
    Portsmouth WON 1-0
    Liverpool LOST 1-2
    Chelsea DREW 1-1
    Bolton WON 2-0
    Blackburn WON 2-0

    This Season
    Birmingham WON 1-0
    Burnley LOST 1-0 (how!?!?)
    Wigan WON 5-0
    Arsenal WON 2-1
    Spurs WON 3-1
    City WON 4-3

    Considering Ronaldo was out injured in this period last season, our tactics weren't a kick in the arse off what they are now. We were however trying to bed in a new forward (Berba)

    Still, everyone questioned where the goals would come from this season. How would we make up Ronaldos 30+ a season?
    15 goals so far is a bloody good start
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    Rooney.
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    Can't wait for Berba to start chipping in with some goals, the future is very bright for this fantastic club. Four in a row, without doubt.
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    Apparently from Gibson...
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    charleysurf Obnoxious, abusive bellend who is best ignored

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    And Valencia
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    And Rooney
  30. Dec 31, 2009
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    Cling Bak Hi, I'm Barry Scott

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    I've had a look at last season's totals and this and made a little graph to show the findings so far.

    Anything in addition to last season (like Anderson, Valencia or Owen scoring) go onto the 'Missing Ronaldo?' column, to try and make up his 25 goals. We would also need all the rest to at least equal last season's tallies, some already have, some are pretty close.

    Note: I have not included goals last season in Super Cup or CWC.

    [​IMG]
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    Xander45 Know-It-All Champion May 2009

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    Nice graph, i like the effort put in.

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