Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by John_K, Feb 18, 2004.
Does anyone know how it came about and if we had another one before it?
From what I understand, in the early 1900s, United shared a ground with a rugby team called the Heathens. United ended up adopting the name, which eventually became Red Devils.
I've heard another theory, though I believe the above one is accepted. When United were known as Newton Heath, they were dubbed the heathens ... you know the rest.
The Rugby team association of the name is what is generally accepted. Time seems to be 40 or 50s. The Spanish name of El Diablo being mentioned.
Manchester United are know as "The Red Devils". Why? I hear you ask. Was the club founded by Salford Satanists? The answer is no (although when they where known as Newton Heath they did get called "the Heathens" which is also a bit irreligious). From the change of name in 1902, Manchester United FC were nicknamed simply "The Reds" or "United" until the media dubbed them "The Busby Babes" in the mid 1950's. However, after the Munich disaster in 1958 that name was no longer appropriate.
In the early 1960's Salford Rugby club toured France wearing red shirts and became known as "The Red Devils". Manager Sir Matt Busby liked the sound of it, thinking that a nasty devil is more intimidating to opponents than angelic babes. He declared Manchester United should also be known as the "The Red Devils" and soon the club began incorporating the devil logo into match programmes and scarves. In 1970 the club badge was redesigned, but now with a cheeky wee devil in the centre holding a pitch-fork.
The United club crest had originally been the City of Manchester coat of arms. During the mid 60's it became similar to the current design but instead of the devil in the centre it had 3 diagonal yellow lines. Click here to see the evolution of the Manchester United club badge.
The "devil badge" was incorporated onto the home shirt for the first time in 1973. It has since remained virtually unchanged (although in 1998 the words "Football club" were removed to much annoyance of die-hard fans) and has become one of the most instantly recognisable commercial symbols in the world. Recently the club introduced the official "fun" matchday mascot "Fred the Red" - a giant Red Devil (who has his own line of less-than-popular kids merchandise).
The question remains, if indeed United are in league with the dark lord Satan then why are they so successful and Southampton (The Saints), Everton (A Church adjoins their stadium) so rubbish? After all God would surely give his teams all the luck. Of course, Manchester United have a club Chaplain, The Rev John Boyers. Maybe he does a lot of good work to ensure that never-ending supply of last minute goals....
Here is a link to how the club badge evolved.
Thanks for that. I like the badge with the three stripes in the center better than the current though, wish we stayed with that one.
Actually I love the Red Devil. Maybe that is what I got used to and I could not imagine United without the Devil now.
Just be glad we don't have a comic-like design like Arsenal do.
the arses badge is a crap one, basically one cannon and that's it.
Be thankful we dont have a chicke on it like the dippers
Nicked it of my local rugby team.
I thought it was a fowl or stalk...whatever.
Two versions that I've heard.
First: when Newton Heath LYR FC (The Heathens) emerged from near extinction in 1902 as Manchester United they adopted a new red kit, and it isn't too far a stretch to link that to The Red Devils, particulalry with The Welsh Wizard on the field. Those were the days when every team had to have a 'nickname' in the press - Throstles (Baggies), Shakers etc. but it sounds too pat to be true. Did MEN or Manchester Guardian call them Red Devils?
Second: In the early 50's United had the basis of what was to be dubbed in the press "the Busby Babes", a term disliked by the manager for its child-like connotations. His players were anything but and he preferred The Red Devils. Now whether he coined that name or was merely re-emphasising an existing one I don't know, but reportedly that was in the '50's.
I heard it was in honour of Devilish, who was instrumental in the policy of grooming young talent
IMO the current one or the pre-1998 ones are best. The red devil is a lot less generic than the striped shield.
My sentimeents exactly mate...But more then that im glad we dnt have something like them scousers do....tat wud be sad...
I remember Busby didn't like the term Busby babes but liked to call them something about apples, can't remember.
I cannot believe the "football club" term was removed. Thats the only problem I have with it .. rest looks awesome. I have it on my keychain.
It doesn't make any difference does it?
we're still the only 'United' team on earth
we still sing 'ferguson's red army' during the matches
unless we change 'United' to 'cxxity'
It doesnt make too much of a difference, but I was wondering if anyone knew why they took it of .. thats all.
It would have been better if they left it there. Just seems more "corporation" like now .. oh well !!
It doesn't bother me that much, if it helps the club sort out the copyright of the crest.
the gist of it is that they felt the badge should be universal for all things utd. part of the scheme for world domination was to get the brand established, the new badge is not only the badge for the shirt, it is the brand logo.
man utd is no longer just a club, its a company, its a religion, its a brand. now all these thigs have the same badge. just helps the synergy.
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