Who will be next Chelsea manager? | Allegri next in line?

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    Spiersey Chelsea fan

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    Given our success along with Madrids and other clubs that rotate manager frequently, there's a strong argument that it is sustainable.
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    Madrid don't neglect/weaken the squad after every title win.
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    Karel Podolsky New Member

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    Yea would be great for United if other clubs only spend what they REALLY earn.
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    Theonas Full Member

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    That's relative though isn't it. Chelsea has had a decade that most clubs would snap your arm off for but you did not really have a truly great team in about 10 years now. By great, I don't even mean Pep's Barcelona level. I just mean a team that most would expect to make CL semi finals on a regular basis the way Juventus, Atlético Madrid or Bayern have been recently. No English club including Chelsea managed to build a really top team at that level for close to 10 years now and in the case of Chelsea, I think the constant upheavals and lack of any long term vision for the club is at least part of the reason. Note I am not arguing here that this vision need to be in the form of a manager per se because as you yourself point out, other top clubs change their head coach on a regular basis as well but there needs to be some footballing identity or style of playing that is preserved and honed to build a top team.
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    Well their transfer activity this year has been mediocre by any measure and before that, they had one title in about 8 years so not sure if that's accurate.
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    Major trophy, not title. Also it was an example he used, one which if anything is made weaker by that point. It's ridiculous to suggest that a team can weaken/neglect their squad after being successful and continue to be ahead of the pack. Regular investments are needed to stay ahaed, to ensure others can't close the gap.
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    Well obviously, I don't think anyone really argues that a team can weaken and remain competitive. The question is how to get that balance right between maintaining a winning formula through the togetherness and cohesion of personnel without neglecting to upgrade and refresh the individual quality. It's a tough balancing act that very few teams if any get right.
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    Klopp? Russian Disneyland and all, might be tempting. Could be a dangerous match that
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    Chelsea usually go for flavour of the month manager. Mad to think that's how AVB got the job all those years ago.

    If Juventus won the CL could see Allegri ending up there.
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    Bit harsh judging our greatness compared to Barca, any team in English football history falls short in comparison to that side. I would say our 04-10 side were very much great, unfortunately we had to deal with the greatest manager ever not letting go. Put those teams of ours in the Prem circa 2013-2017 and we would have turned the it into a more expensive SPL.
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    Vato Watches other men wank.Supports Real.Coincidence? Santa's Favourite Twats

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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Simeone seems like the next logical one to step on the Chelsea manager merry go round however it seems like every year he wants just one more year at Atletico
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    You're right it's difficult, but it's something Chelsea are notoriously bad at (at least recently anyway). They cruised the title under Jose and then neglected teh squad, cruised it under Conte and then neglected the squad. Regular investments are always needed. For eg. I don't see City standing still this summer, because they know we will be getting in players, getting closer to where we want to be.
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    Ye fair :p

    Not something that usually happens though. You guys have always been quite good in the market.
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    Didn't City themselves have bad windows after their 2 PL wins? It seems to be a common theme with teams winning the league, infact United in 2007 is the last time i can recall the Champions having a really good window and pushing on. It's a lot harder than it looks, and also having to motivate well fed winners to go again isn't easy.
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    You're absolutely right, it's one reason I think English teams have been behind the other European giants in the past. It's difficult to gain success, a lot more difficult to maintain success. It's something a lot of the other European giants have figured out, the Bayern's, Juve's etc.

    With City's pursuit of Sanchez and rumors they're looking to buy a big star etc. this summer, I doubt they'd make such a mistake again though.
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    I think in my post I clarified that I was not comparing to Barcelona as that is unfair indeed. I also acknowledged that the last great Chelsea team was about 10 years ago which would be the 2005-2008 team. So I think we are saying the same thing actually. My point is the PL failed to produce a single team at the level of the Bayern, Atlético, Juventus or Real for close to 10 years now. So whereas Chelsea still managed to win trophies and are the envy of most clubs in the world, if their ambition is to be one of the best teams in the world which I assume it is, it really hasn't been achieved this decade. Among the factors for that in my view is the constant upheavals and lack of any identity to your team. It's patch up work every summer, albeit very expensive patch up.
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    I don't disagree, I just don't think it's as clear cut of a formula as you make it sound. Real won the CL in 2016 for example and added nothing to that first team. On paper, many would see that as relaxing and allowing Barcelona who had won the league, to catch up with them, not to mention other top European clubs. The following season they go on and have an even better one. I remember back in 2006, we were far behind Chelsea, had lost RvN and our only buy was the far from glamorous Michael Carrick. On paper, it was horrendous, we were not only relaxing, we were embracing mediocrity. Luckily Sir Alex knew that the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo, Evra and Vidic simply needed more time together and thank goodness for that. I am not suggesting that the road to success is to not strengthen your individual quality. For every summer 2006, there is summer 2007 when we went out to splashed on Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves and Tevez and again that was the right move at that time. So I guess what I am saying that the cycle of teams and their progress requires different actions at different times. Sometimes your team just needs one more year of being together and developing further. Sometimes it actually needs individual upgrades.