Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Kazi, Jul 10, 2018.
Plus United weren't prepared to break 100m plus 500k per week wages.
We are a well run club.
As much as I would have loved to get Ronnie back, it makes sense both for us and him that it didn't happen. Juve have an elite team which reached UCL final twice in the last few years and reach semis for fun. They just need a bit extra to win it. We really are nowhere near at the moment, while playing in a much more difficult league. On Juve he will win Serie A titles, have a very good chance at winning UCL for a third club and likely prolong his career.
300m pounds (both in transfer and wages) can be spend better somewhere else.
Because Kohler deal didn't go through.
Most likely because he didn't want to come back here under the current circumstances.
I never thought he'd leave Madrid for another European giant, only for a payday move to the states, Middle East or China. He's surprised me massively tbh. The fact he has chosen Juve plus the statement he's produced is interesting.
Everyone knows/assumes that he loves money. Everyone knows/assumes he is desperate to better Messi in being unanimously regarded as the goat. Do we all assume that he maybe does genuinely want a new challenge - winning a domestic and European title in serie A, making him a player who has done so in the 3 most famous leagues?
I can't speak for the man himself like so many others can but I am intrigued by this decision of his.
Ronaldo free kicks now the GOAT by the sounds of it, jeez, he's the fastest, tallest, best looking, smartest and bestest ever, isn't he.
Considering the length of his career that's not surprising, if you would rather have him stood over a do or die free kick ol that's fine but most of us would go Messi (most la Liga free kicks ever, from a much lower percentage of shots)
If he wanted to gain prestige from winning serie A, he would have had to employ a time machine and travel back to 80s or 90s, no one really cares at this point, especially when you consider the fact that Juventus won 7 titles and 4 doubles on the trot. It may look decent in a CV of course, but holds very little weight at the moment.
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Which other league, apart from the prem and la liga, is currently as highly regarded by the world of football fans as serie a?
You are factual in what you say but serie a is probably the 3rd best atm.
He was 1 for 93 during one spell. It took him 45 attempts at tournaments to get 1. He just gets to keep taking them until he eventually scores.
Never expected Ronaldo to return. Firstly no secret he and Jose don't get along, secondly Utd's hoofball, slow, defensive football won't suit him at all. Coming back to the strenuous demands of the PL he can only disappoint and ruin he legacy, like Rooney towards the end, not even close to what he once was.
By going to Juventus he can still be very successful and win several trophies. The pace of the game is slower and he can carry on for another 3-4 years. If he reaches the heights he did at RM he will prove once and for all he is the greatest player as he would've done it in 3 different leagues, compared to Messi who has only done it at Barcelona. By leaving any accomplishments Messi does in Spain will be questioned because he won't have Ronaldo to compete against. For Ronaldo this move is a real no brainer, a real win-win-win situation.
It probably is, still doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. It is way below the first two anyway, and is hardly a test especially when you take into account his body of work in the EPL and La Liga.
If it's a choice for Milinkovic Savic (23) for 100 million as marquee signing or Ronaldo (33) at same price then give me the Serbian any day
I love him but this is the first time since he left that I didn't want him and I am glad United weren't interested. Ronaldo at the prices quoted is a huge gamble for the pl now and united are in no position to take such a gamble now
Again, you are correct but I don't think the majority of football fans, pundits, ex players or officials from UEFA and FIFA will see it that way, especially given how many well respected representatives there are still, who are associated with Italian football.
Ronaldo will be adored by not only juventus fans but also many sections of Italian media if he brings a champions league to Italy.
It's a smart move actually, given he does bring them European success. Imo of course.
I don’t want another marquee player signing for the sake of signing them and then trying to figure where to fit them in. We should get the player who’s the right fit for the team and have backup options if the best option isn’t available.
Sir Alex was a specialist in finding not as exotic players and fitting them into his team to great effect. Carrick ahead of Riquelme and Marcos Senna sticks out in my mind from 2006. Riquelme and Senna had dazzled for Villarreal all the way up to the Champions League semi final but we got Carrick who'd quietly done the business for Spurs. He was essentially Roy Keanes replacement squad wise as well as number wise and there were complaints from fans over that.
The rest is history though... plus we’ve had our fingers burned by some of our marquee signings like ADM and Falcao. I’d have thought fans would have been more averse to them at the moment.
Yeah, then we're in full agreement actually. I can hardly stop anyone from claiming that a league win is a great achievement obviously, it is just that I personally feel it is borderline worthless given the context. CL is a different matter, though you could claim that Juventus had a finals appearance and a couple of deep runs that were mostly stopped by an eventual winner even without Ronaldo. If he does manage a CL win that's obviously great for his legacy, and rightfully so.
I also suspect that Real wanted a lot more money from other leagues than they wanted from serie A.
Because we signed Sanchez. They play the same position and both have huge wages.
Unfortunately for us, one is much better than the other.
But I don't mind, we need to be building a young squad that'll last for the next 5 years anyhow.
That Serbian didnt impress at all during the WC... dont think he is a 100mil player. Try and find another 100mil and get Mbappe.
I am hoping that we didn't sign him because we are building a team for the future.
Because priorities lie elsewhere, I guess.
We could possibly get four of those players for around the price we'd have paid for Ronaldo.
Plus Ronaldo didn't want to come to the PL, but chose instead Italy where he can prolong his career and play in a team that has a higher probability of success domestically and in the CL.
Ed is a liar. He just told me over text that Madrid agreed to sell to us for €51M but Woody stood firm at €50M.
We've been building a team for the future for 5 years now.
Moyes and LVG waisted our time and money. We are in our third rebuild now with Jose this process is looking better.
I dont think a 33 year old Ronaldo would have had anywhere near the number of goals that he scored at Madrid if he had have came here. In fact I dont think he would have got close to his best seasons total here as well. This team struggles to break teams down and chances and goals are a premium. Saying that hopefully the new management team might get Mourinho to loosen the reins a bit and be more adventurous
My point is, the we're building a team for the future argument doesn't really hold water. The future is next year, maybe the next two years max. The players we buy should be able to make an immediate difference.
I can't think of many reds who wouldn't have been buzzing had we re signed him, but I can think of many reasons why we might not be interested. 1) He is 33 years old and his best years are behind him. Yeah he could go on for another 7 years and will probably be one of those rare players who does, but considering his age and the fact he is past his peak, the money involved including the astronomical wages wouldn't make any sense at all. 2) It could upset the balance of the team and even further stunt the development of the likes of rashford, lingard etc. 3) Who says he even wanted to come back? He has stated time for a new chapter himself. He strikes me as the sort of guy hungry for new challenges, not romantic returns to clubs he left. I think his ego would see that as a step backwards even if we are the biggest team on earth and hes fond of us. 4) We signed sanchez mere months ago, perhaps a ronaldo signing would piss him off. 5) resale value. whilst we dont care, the club do and always have done. 5) We have much bigger priorities.
Good luck to him, I hope he tears it up in Serie A
But I'm thinking of Ronnie when I do it
This is a smart move for Madrid, Ronaldo, Juve and United.
The Italian league is a step down in quality, he'll score lots of goals, earn lots of money and be guaranteed to win many more domestic trophies. He will also use it as a further claim as the GOAT that he has proven he can do it in 3 major leagues.
United did well to side-step this one. His legacy at United can now remain forever in tact, and we can concentrate spending our money on fresh talent.
For Madrid they probably secured the greatest transfer of all time. Getting Ronaldo at the start of his peak for 80m and selling for 80m+ at the end of his peak. Sensational transfer.
I'm sure Man Utd were offered the chance to take him and said no. Guillem Balague stated we declined.
I think it's just come down to the highest bidder. That fine has cost him 18m. Take into consideration his signing on fee, new sponsorship deals and what not he will probably pay it all off in no time.
I'll be very surprised if he's hitting 40 plus goals at the age of 35. They win Serie A every year. He's there for the UCL. Anything else is a bummer if you ask me.
Well we could buy 33 year old Ronaldo for the right wing he would do well next two years or we could buy someone like Douglas Costa who would not only do well the next two years but will do well the next five years due to being 27 rather than 33. We can still buy quality who can do well immediately that wont go downhill in a year or two.
Except Costa can't deliver 30-40 goals which is our number one priority if we ever want to have a prayer at catching City.
Because he's a 34 year old who is in decline that cost £100m fee and £120m in wages over his 4 years contract. There isn't a hope he's gonna be worth the money by the 3rd or 4th year in terms of return for Juventus on the pitch.
Yes he's the GOAT but science proves it can't last forever.
Because finally we managed to make a right decision.
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