Will Barca be the First Team to Retain the CL?

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    bosnian_red Full Member

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    Form means nothing in those games, we all know that. The 3-1 game from barca was almost as good as I've ever seen them, and it was still a tight game (for the most part). Also just because Bayern might (not even sure if true) have more possession against the teams in the bundesliga than Real do against teams in La Liga, there is quite a big difference in quality of teams possession wise between Spain and the rest of the world, as we have found out first hand. Also Real Madrid have 100 goals in the league so far this season ( :eek::eek::eek:), 14 more than Barca does. Bayern have 67 in an inferior league, albeit with two games less than Madrid. They are also second behind Dortmund. Sorry but Bayern I think are overrated, a lot of times this season when they were really challenged they were out done, they are good at getting a lot of goals past teams that are finished already, like Basel but once they come up against good teams (like Dortmund or away to City) they have come second best.
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    I think head to head, Milan would emerge victorious with RM...Same with Bayern
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    Fair yes, not in the top 5 though. They were poor in Europe. It's fair to put them in the top 10. And before you slate United on that 'poor in Europe' bit, we've scored 20 goals more than Tottenham in the league.

    I'm talking about this season only of course if that wasn't clear to anyone.
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    bosnian_red Full Member

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    They are one of the best teams in the world, along with Barca, Real, Us, City and milan. Unfortunately Barca and Madrid are just so far ahead of the rest. City, Milan, Bayern and United are all pretty close IMO, with United and Bayern ahead of the other two by a bit but pretty even when comparing each other.
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    Not a chance they would, why do you think that? Arsenal should have beaten them.
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    bosnian_red Full Member

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    Just look at his name, it's impossible for them to praise Real Madrid (understandable tbh, it'd be like us having a non-biased opinion against Liverpool)
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    You really think Barcelona would lose the league to Milan? La Liga is better than Seria A. Real have score 100 goals in 30 games. Milan have scored 60. Real have won 8 out of 9 CL matches. No losses. Milan have won 3 out of 10, 3 losses.

    Milan isn't a rival to Barcelona. Played them 4 times this season and didn't win once. How are they any better than Real? In what way are they better? Real have something to break deadlock defenses that Barcelona don't. They can use wing play and cross the ball. Barcelona rarely ever cross. Real's set pieces are also more dangerous. So defending against Real isn't any easier for other teams. Real have more weapons in their arsenal. Barcelona just go route 1 since it's that strong for them and they keep on going for 90 minutes. There's no plan B to speak of.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    We won't find that out this season but what we probably will see is you v Bayern in the final and that will change your opinion.
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    Yeah I know but this is just stupid, it's one thing for us to say shit about Liverpool when they are actually a crap team, but Madrid are clearly an incredible side!
    :lol: Comes across as bitter tbh, probably because they're going to win La Liga.
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    Agreed, how one can say Madrid isn't one of the top 2 teams in the world atm when they are even ahead of Barca in the league is ridiculous. Its like city fans saying they are better than us, because they beat us when we played in the league but if you look at the thing that really matters (league) than we and Real are both well ahead in it.
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    bosnian_red Full Member

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    I think you meant Madrid here? How would it change his opinion if Real did get knocked out to Bayern...
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    That Bayern are better than Milan presumably.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    It doesn't but the final will (and I think it'll be Bayern). They're currently just over 5/1 and when Real and Chelsea get through you'll get 11/2.
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    adexkola American Arse

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    I don't think he's bitter, I think he genuinely believes Milan are only behind Barcelona. Which is mind boggling.

    "Bitter" has become a very annoying insult around here by the way.
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    I don't really understand this plan B nonsense when it comes to Barcelona. Surely switching from plan A to plan B or even to Plan C means that you are varying your style of play. Another way of looking at it is that you are introducing some variety. Yet Barcelona have more variety to their play than almost any team ever. In fact the only variation they could be argued not to have is a physical aerial presence in attack. For most people this is a de facto 'Plan B'. However in Barca's case I think they go into each match and put plans A through F into operation each and every time. And they do it simultaneously. If you close one avenue they find another. That is why they are so hard to stop.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    My point was that they don't really need it but if their fluid play isn't working they don't have anything going for them. When their normal game hasn't worked for 88 minutes they put Pique forward and go for a bit more high balls. Against Barca you need work rate and closing down the middle. Don't let passes through between your center back and full back.

    We did it quite well but David Villa magic broke that down. Shot from outside the box that you can't stop.
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    That's the point though, they don't. They have very little variety and approach pretty much every game in the same way, their tactics don't change.

    If they are struggling to break a team down then they don't try and attack down the wings for example or go more direct to a target man, they just carry on playing their possession football through the middle.
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    That's bollocks though. Take tonight, for example. The inclusion of Cuenca and Alves being pushed far forward was a deliberate attempt to provide width and stretch Milan's defence, rather than attempt to pass their way through Milan's congested midfield diamond as in the first leg.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    In home games Alves plays exactly like Valencia, as wide as possible and hard up against the offside line.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    Just re-watched it via the highlights of both games. Totally pointless. Should have just downloaded when I woke up.

    Far more interesting game than the highlights would have suggested.
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    Theon Full Member

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    Not really. Obviously Cuenca was played to provide width but that didn't change the way Barcelona played, they were still playing patient possession football. Their attacks didn't come through the wings either, so even though Cuenca was played out wide it didn't change the Barcelona strategy. He only made 5 crosses in the whole game, despite being the only attacker who was played in a wide position. In contrast, Valencia last night made 21 crosses. The difference is that one team attacked down the flanks, one attacked through the middle.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Last night you were playing against a weak team who gave up the CM, the 21 crosses from Valencia are a testament to your lack of any ideas other than funnel it wide.
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    Well you can spin it like that if you want Pete but both goals came from playing it out to the right wing.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Yeah but it was largely uninventive and reliant on a keeper's cock up.
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    Okay, well it wasn't really a cock up was it Pete. That's just a daft thing to say.

    Anyway, we should have scored from Valencia's crosses earlier on in the match, Hernandez and Jones had great opportunities to score for example, both should have resulted in a goal. Given that we scored two goals, and could have had four, from Valencia on the wing then I wouldn't say it was a bad strategy. You might call it 'uninventive', but it is extremely effective, hence Valencia having an incredible 12 assists in 16 games.

    I'd much rather stick to playing down the flanks and creating chances than trying to pass the ball into the net, like your lot were prone to do when you still had the ability to play that quality of football. Speaking of 'uninventive', your current strategy of 'quick guyz, pass the ball to Van Persie!' is about as uninventive as they come.
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    ghaliboy Snitches on Tom Hagen

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    Hope not!
    Hope we do it first one day! :)
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    It was a keeping mistake, fat boy was badly positioned and left the far post open. A top keeper should not have been beaten from that angle/distance. Your game plan may have been effective but it was one-trick pony stuff. While RvP may be on the end of our chances (as Rooney is often on the end of yours), we create in a lot of different ways.
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    Barca are killing the sport for me every time they win. Nobody can compete with them, their style is boring as feck to watch and their players have no personality at all. Please please please can the Barca bubble burst so we can have some elements of competitiveness back in the game!
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    That was the best we'd played in months.
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    head to head Milan would give anyone a game... if they had a fully fit side they would be a match over a two legged game. Not saying they would beat the teams mentioned but they wouldnt be easy meat... One 3-1 loss at the camp nou isn't exactly damning.

    As for Barca they have a great chance but who knows. They have more chance than anyone else of retaining it since they won it last year... Jamie Redknapp could have told you that.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Yeah, they're a fecking disgrace - no long throws or putting big guys on the pitch for set-pieces. They just want to play passing football the cnuts.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    Which have resulted in 14 less goals.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Are you Gary Neville? You didn't play very well and couldn't make chances against a limited Blackburn side. Got lucky with a keeping mistake.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    I wouldn't go that far, but I know what you mean. Sad thing is, right from the start of the competition we knew that only 2-4 teams could stop them, and they have dispatched one of those tonight.

    I'd be gutted if they win 2 in a row, but the bigger implication for me would be 3 in 4 years. That would be the extent of their dominance, 3 Champions League titles in 4 years.

    It will take the rest of Europe 10 years to properly respond to them, I do hope to hell someone stops them from doing it. Fantastic team, but I hate them a lot at the moment. I'd cheer Chelsea against them.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    Oh we got lucky alright, but that is what happens when you are dominating a team for 80 minutes. Barcelona have had 0-0's which they should have won 5-0, yes we didn't create a million chance although we created a few but that was because Blackburn where fighting for their lives.

    We had no left wing, which was expected before the game, Hernandez continues being 2nd season Hernandez, Scholes, Carrick and Jones aren't as good as Hargreaves, Park and Fletcher yet, but honestly.

    They stuck 10 men behind the ball and defended well, we spent 80 minutes picking the lock, and finally did so. Best we have played in ages, we wouldn't have managed it 2 months ago.
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    :lol: It wasn't a fecking keeping mistake man, you're talking bollocks. It might not have been world class goal keeping but that doesn't make it a mistake. I reckon the majority of keepers would have let that in.

    We create in a lot of different ways too, our football has been fantastic at times this season. Obviously plenty of that comes from the wings but I'm not sure why you are trying to portray that as a bad thing. Wing play is often the most entertaining standard of football. Do you think Madrid have been playing one trick pony stuff this season? Or Bayern? Because both of them utilise wingers the same way we do.

    As for Rooney being on the end of our chances in the same way as Van Persie, we don't rely on him to near the same extent as more players for United contribute offensively. Van Persie has scored 42% of your goals this season Pete, whilst Rooney has only scored 27% of United's. Your method of creating goals is to give it to him and hope he can bail you out again... Very predictable, very 'uninventive'.
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    Vidic_In_Moscow Full Member

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    Who rattled your cage you bitter old piece of shit?
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    That'sHernandez Ominously close to getting banned

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    I wouldn't cheer either side. I'd pretend the tournament doesn't even exist until next season. I really hope Barca lose, I may have my RAWK hat on but it just seems to me like they always get the decisions. It's like UEFA want them to win everything.
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    That'sHernandez Ominously close to getting banned

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    What are you talking about? Arsenal have barely had any variation in created chances in comparison to United this season. United have scored some absolutely sublime team goals this season, the Community Shield goal being a prime example.

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