Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Lance Uppercut, May 29, 2011.
He didn't say they finished their chances.
Yeah it's not like I don't appreciate how good they are, but my God it's boring to watch, at least to me, and the shear lack of competitiveness is making me lose all interest in European football. Usually I don't root for the English teams but I've found myself really rooting for Chelsea and Arsenal in Europe this year. I can't wait for Chelsea - Barca, hope Chelsea can give them a good game. If that fails I hope Real can beat them in the final!
It pains me to agree with the resident Piers Morgan but United's biggest flaw for years has been one dimensional spamming of wing play, and in games where we can't do that we have absolutely nothing else to try.
We're talking about the game against Blackburn where you had 70% of the ball but didn't carve out any real chances and had only one game plan - shovel it out wide to Valencia.
It started due to Ronaldo in my opinion, our central midfielders rarely got forward and weren't very creative because they had to both compensate for Ronaldo's defensive failings and allow him to do his sexy stuff. Since then we've added 3 great wingers kinda, but playing with an attacking midfielder again would be a system overhaul.
I don't really think is a problem though, its just a style of play. Would you rather have brought Ashley Young on last night or Van Der Vaart?
You can only have so many attacking players whatever you do.
You have already been put right on that argument Pete. Valencia scored and set up the other goal, he also set up two other clear chances for Jones and Hernandez, so four goals could have came from playing it wide to Valencia. So it isn't even a bad thing that we play down the wings, I'm not sure why you keep banging on about it as if we should be annoyed when it is very effective and produces good football.
You haven't replied to my post on the last page.
The problem was there before Ronaldo came good for me. Ronaldo and the success he brought to the club was all a bit smoke and mirrors for how good the team really was in my opinion. I often think what would have happened if Ronaldo didn't turn out to be so good, we may have not won the CL and struggled with this one dimension we see today for five plus years. I wonder what the general mood among fans would have been like.
It was just like Stoke with a tad more sophistication - get it wide (win a throw), get Valencia to knock it in (see Rory Delap), and get a deflection or a lucky break for a goal.
I don't understand how you have been allowed to troll here for so long, but the mods allow it so I won't say more. If you think United are like Stoke, then you truly are lost. I guess seeing their team pass the ball in their own half for 90 minutes and then lose does that to people.
He's making a joke about United in the football forum, we all make jokes about Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, yada yada all the time. There may even be an element of truth to what he says, hidden deep within the 4am bitterness
Well I guess we'll take doing that and getting deflections all the time if it means being first in the table by 5 points, 18 points ahead of 3rd (arsenal, in case you weren't sure), and being leading scorers in the league
Quite funny that an Arsenal fan is telling us that United are one dimensional, of all teams Pretty good fecking dimension that considering it has been working for as long as I can remember.
True, and I don't mind that but 90% of his posts are that way, so I just called him out on it, and even said I won't say anymore. Either way, there are no hard feelings on my part.
Back on topic - I hope Bayern or Madrid win it. I wish the draw made Barca play both Madrid and Bayern. I really want to like Barcelona for the football they play, but just can't. I hope Ronaldo finally beats them in the final, even though I don't like Madrid either.
I think there is a lot of truth in what he says, but it's derived from the most ridiculous sense of self importance and he is far too pretentious without reason. I wonder if he developed this before or after Wenger came to Arsenal, but I think it's more likely he is a fickle plank looking for some easy things to argue about.
He's also one of these Arsenal fans who shamelessly defend Barca at any opportunity in a desperate attempt at seeking recognition and acceptance that Arsenal try to play in a similar way to them. So textbook, it cracks me up how they so easily forget what they were like pre-Wenger.
I have to agree too.
In a way, it shows how good this team/squad can be with the right pair of additions for the centre.
It's a decent point to be honest. I love the general directness and pace with which we do/used to play but we are a tad one dimensional with our wing play. That's why the football at the start of the season stood out so brightly. There was great wing play but there was also intelligent, classy and collective football. Wingers are a great part of the way we play but I do hope our over the top reliance on them is evened out by a greater stress on other areas.
Mourinho has unlocked them in each of the past two seasons (Inter/Copa del Rey) and could do it again this year.
Bayern, with an in form Jean Luc Picard and Mario Gomes could do it as well.
Unless you're Real Madrid who have shown signs of looking like matching them (still a bit away I reckon), I would say the way to do is to do an Inter. Swallow your pride, sit deep and hit them on the break. Something we inexplicably refused to do on two separate occasions and got well beaten as a result.
The other way is what only Chelsea in their prime could do, which is match their football skills with pure physicality. Barca were all at sea against Drogba and co. and should have lost quite easily had the ref not temporarily lost his gift of sight.
Those are the two best bets imo.
Wing play has become part of our culture, same as passing game is part of barca's culture.
Its not like we hoof the ball in hope someone touches the ball and scores. Anyone who is comparing our style with stoke is talking rubbish. I love wing play at its best, in fact there is nothing more attractive then the site of nani or giggs beating a fullback and putting great crosses. For first 60 minutes, we played more centrally but blackburn were defending really well and hence it was difficult for us to score but since we aren't "one dimensional" we brought giggsy on for jones and then we brought young on as well. We started using width so that we can stretch blackburn which is what we did. We are many things but one dimensional. Around 40% of valencia's crosses were from inside the box. It was a result of great wingplay between rafael and valencia where as for first 60 minutes 90% of our crosses from left wing were from outside the box because evra was alone there.
Well mate, perhaps if Arsenal had a single reliable player they could count on to make things happen every season, they wouldn't be battling for 3rd/4th, would they?
Nothing more Stoke like than Arsenal kicking lumps out of teams they aren't as good as. The funniest bit was when they tried it against Stoke last year and lost.
Getting it out wide when teams defend the centre is what smart teams do. I wonder why Arsenal don't try it.
The best thing about Pete decrying Utd for their style and bigging up passing is the fact our second goal was the result of 37 passes. Clown.
They have every chance to IMO.It doesn't they will do it with ease.
I think why we are all a bit disappointed is that they have had an easier run than last year, but are just as good.
Bayer Leverkusen didn't put as much of a challenge up as Arsenal, Milan where probably a bit better than Shaktar, Real Madrid were a million times better than either Chelsea or Benfica are.
Only the final will be a proper challenge.
It would be funny just to see the reactions of some of the posters on this board.
Still, I am glad to be wrong.
It's very hard to retain the CL these days. Quality teams all round.
This. Not forgetting form, injuries, suspensions...
Its happened before. Just not since it changed format
Meh, it was a fair question.
I said myself that Bayern were the only team that could beat them to it, and I think they will win it now.
Saying that, I did not foresee them losing to Chelsea. Just shows how fecking unpredictable the competition really is.
Winner winner chicken dinner.
I put money on them beating Chelsea by a high score.
I thought that assumption was made
It's a completely different competition now.
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