In before someone posts a 10 minute compilation of Messi nutmegging Ramos Has Ramos done enough to warrant inclusion in the discussion for best players - not just defenders - of his generation? Save for a relatively paltry league title count (playing in the same league as Messi, Xaviesta and Simeone can do that for you), he has won everything there is to win, and time and time again comes up big for Madrid in clutch situations. Also one of the five people to score in two separate CL Finals (since it became the CL), and the only defender to do so. When he does have bad games, they end up as total howlers, but with time I think people will remember the good moments of his career over the bad. What do you think?