Will we buy a midfielder to replace Schneiderlin this window?

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    unitedforeveral New Member

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    We definitely will not add to this squad except for Lindelof. We have numerous options in midfield now that he has brought back the likes of Schweinsteiger and Fosu-Mensah. We already have Carrick, Fellaini, Herrera & Pogba who are performing to his liking and therefore i don't think he'll add to this midfield in the winter window. Although chances are that it could happen in the summer. Dele Alli is one person i wouldn't mind having in our squad but even he is unnecessary. We are now playing good football but like Jose mentioned in the post match interview (Hull)- we need to learn to increase the tempo of the game when in possession. We have excellent quality and depth in our squad.
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    I was quite happy with him doing nothing. It seems to result in us playing better and winning games more often. If we need another midfielder it isn't to replace Schneiderlin. We'd have needed them just the same if Schneiderlin was still here.
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    We need another addition in there or to trust the personnel we have at the club. The only 4 starters/trusted players in CM are Herrera, Pogba, Carrick and Fellaini and considering we play 3 in the middle, it's not ideal.

    Carrick is 35 and cannot play two games in a week, and needs a rest here and there to get the best out of him. He's an integral part of our team as shown by the stats and the naked eye. Herrera is an all-action midfielder and probably not used to playing this much football in one season for such a big club, he's look tired in recent weeks and like Carrick will need a rest here and there, luckily he's not injury prone. Pogba is a beast, and we should have no problems with him playing every game, or coming off when the game is won for Fellaini or whoever.

    The only one who can replace them is Fellaini and he would most likely come in for Carrick but he's miles away from him in terms of quality and if he needed to play a run of games it would show. I don't mind Fellaini as much as people on here, I think he's a good player but probably below United's level. He can fill in for the midfielders here and there, and is a decent enough option of the bench but if we went into the crunch end of the season with him as a starter I think we would struggle.

    It's hard to assess Schweinsteiger. He's obviously not rated by Mourinho for whatever reason so I don't think we will see him much from now till the end of the season, he was relatively average last season but it was under LvG. Even the other day, he looked off the pace fitness wise and is not getting younger. TFM is too young to be trusted for now especially in the middle of the park, he's not a specialist in that position yet.
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    That doesn't really make sense mate. As Mourinho said since Morgan asked to leave he completely ruled him out of his plans. Judging from his appearances we can assume that happened sometime in Sep/Oct. So effectively he hasn't been here, he wasn't an option. If he didn't ask to leave he would have played games in the last 3 months.

    Mourinho said ideally he would have liked to have kept him and have him as an option. We've been playing Herrera and even in one game Bailly as defensive midfielder. So obviously Mourinho would like another specialist DM to Carrick rest more.
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    If he isn't willing to give him as high a billing as 15-minute-Schneiderlin he is never going to play him. Might as well sell him too while we are at it :nono:
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    No chance, him and memphis are basically extras that bloat the squad and have no impact on the minutes played. After those 2, anyone we sell I assume we would probably replace. Thinking about it, was can probably get rid of over £1m a week and bring in over £100m in transfers over the next 2 windows just on players who probably wont stay or will look to get consistent football. Schweinsteiger, schneiderlin, fellaini, memphis, young, rooney, blind, smalling, darmian are all probably in the consideration to be sold for one reason or another. We wont get rid of all of them, but thats over 100m and 1m a week basically, so still a decent amount to clear up.
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    I'm stunned that people think that having Fellaini, Schweinsteiger and TFM as the only mid backups, when the most congested part of the season is about to start, is enough or satisfactory... Starting 10-15 days from now we'll be playing every 3-4 days till the end of the season. We are one injury in the mid away from having the season basically ruined. Fellaini simply can't be relied upon being a proper backup, Schweinsteiger was past that point 2 years ago and TFM, as much as I like him, is just too young to be relied upon. Yes, they can be used but the team performance will suffer a lot. Jose initially planned to play 2 man midfield and what we had at that point seemed sufficient. That's not the case anymore. We simply need an extra proper midfield option or to pray that our current midfield 3 stay fit and not burn out in the hectic schedule that will follow.

    He played exactly one game in the mid for us this season, whole 30 minutes. He's 18. He's huge prospect and I love him but come on, you can't be serious in thinking that he's someone we can rely on right now.
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    Look around the rest of the PL. Who would you say has better options as backup? I am actually stunned that there are some who genuinely think clubs can just have top class backup when this is just never the case. Players of that quality are starting for their teams or at least not considered backup. And yes it means that injuries will ruin your season but again that's pretty much standard in football. Injuries are a problem, you can't just bloat your squad with high number and high salaries just in case.
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    It's an odd situation with Schneiderlin because we didn't have our usual injury crisis in October/November/December so he never played. But with him gone, all we need are a couple of injuries in MF and we'll be running very short in that area. Fellaini and Schweinsteiger (in his current state) aren't players you'd want to make regulars and TFM is too young to be relied on yet. Blind can play as a holding MF but I've never been fully convinced by him there.

    We need to keep the 3 in MF in order to give Pogba his freedom to create, I would be livid if we had to start using him as a holder again out of necessity. The problem is that we would likely have to pay a king's ransom to get any kind of capable MF in January. Maybe get someone off loan? But who could that be?
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    Who would I say has better options as backup? Every single other top 6 team has far better midfield options on the bench and one or two injuries would hurt them but not as nearly as it would hurt us. I'm not speaking of top class backups at all, we don't have anything near that. Our starting mid 3 is probably the best in the entire league but quality beyond that drops dramatically. No one speaks about bloating the squad...
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    I am sorry but Chelsea won the league two years ago and who was their backup beyond Fabregas and Matic? Mikel and a bunch of youngsters that was it. Let's look at this year, beyond Kante, Matic and Fab, they have Loftus-Cheek and Chalobah? City has Aleix Garcia and maybe we can add Fernando if we consider Fernandinho, Yaya and Gündogan the main starters and let's not even go with Liverpool with the majestic Kevin Stewart and Lucas Leiva. I am sorry I just don't see how Fellaini, Fosu-Mensah, Blind and even the current Schweinsteiger or Rooney are so inferior to the aforementioned names.
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    We needed a new midfielder with and without Schniederlin. We've basically only got three acceptable center mids and our first choice 11 requires playing all three. We could really use backup/competition, especially for Carrick.
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    I mean...they have either Fabregas or Matic on the bench, depending who starts. That's one top class sub right there, far beyond what we have. City doesn't play the same system as we do and they have Silva being more in the midfield which means Yaya was backup option till Gundogan got injured. Again top class backup and they have more than that as well. Liverpool has less options...but same like Chelsea, you can't even begin to compare a team who can rest a week between games cause they have no Europe this year with us. They can rest players and avoid strain and fatigue...we can't. They will need more players there next season otherwise they will implode.

    As for us...Jose doesn't see Blind as a backup, otherwise we would have seen him playing for Carrick so far. Also, you listed Rooney as an option in the mid? That's ludicrous, he's not someone we can use there and Jose publicly stated he will never play mid for him. That leaves TFM (18 year old who played 20 minutes in the mid this season), Schweinsteiger (who's past it and barely played this season) and Fellaini...That's absolutely inferior to all of the other top 6 teams. We simply need better cover.
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    Weirdly i think Hereera may be rhe least missed, despitr him playing so well this season. Pogba is more physical, dynamic and creative. And Carrick is more controlling, better at shileding the defense, and is a better passer.

    I think carrick, pogba, mata is better than herrera, pogba, mata or herrera, carrick, mata.
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    Sorry but that's ridiculous. That's almost exactly what we played at the start, midfield two with Pogba and it was horrible. Carrick and Herrera allowed Pogba to blossom and our team blossomed with it. Put one out and get Mata in and we look horrible. I don't understand how people still insist on it..
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    Ok, what has Schneiderlin done during our recent 9 game winning run?

    From what you're saying, the answer is rule himself out of being picked. If we need a replacement to do that it could be anyone. Literally anyone. I mean, I could do it. It doesn't even have to be someone that exists.

    Has Schneiderlin done anything to suggest he should be playing more than he has?
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    I thnk we're certain to buy someone to act as cover and compete with Hererra and Carrick. If we'd gotten hold of Kante last summer he'd have been offloaded then. Now that he's going, we'll need a replacement, and it's not as if Schweinsteiger is suddenly gonna start getting regular minutes.
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    You seem to have problems accepting the reality of the situation here mate. It's not a situation where he hasn't been picked because of poor form (granted he hasn't been great) but Mourinho said he wanted to keep him but wouldn't stand in his way as he wouldn't play every game. Once he said he wanted to leave Mourinho ruled him out of contention even for the odd game.

    It seems obvious we need a back up for Carrick as we are having to play Herrera as the deepest CM when its not his natural position. So despite Scheniderlin not playing we have still been lacking another defensive option in midfield. We have been lacking that option since October/November or whenever Scheniderlin last played. It's not so much that we have to replace Morgan's place in the recent squads as its us needing another option as a back-up to Carrick which we haven't had.
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    We will buy another midfielder for sure. The options are going to be very limited in this window so I doubt we'll get anyone. But if we're scouting someone and our top target becomes available, we might get a robust type midfielder even in this window. It's not going to be one of those household names though.
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    I quite clearly meant he would be less missed than pogba or carrick.

    I'm not saying any are ideal, but if someone gets injured then the option missing herrera is the best of the 3.

    Carrick Pogba
    Mata

    Is better than

    Carrick Herrera
    Mata

    Or

    Pogba Herrera
    Mata

    But none are as good as

    Carrick Herrera
    Pogba

    Not sure what is wrong with that statement to be honest.
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    Carrick can't play every game. Herrera is the one that allows Jose to rotate him out and still play a 3-man midfield or a flat 2 with Pogba. His versatility is vital to Jose being able to have a preferred formation with 3 in midfield, have one player who needs to be rotated and still mainly use 3 players.

    I also think Carrick's influence as an individual player is being greatly overstated. With him in the team the midfield is more balanced but I think he is past his best.

    There seems to be a consensus that Carrick is better in every way than Herrera in the deeper role. I completely disagree. Herrera brings qualities to the role when playing deep that Carrick doesn't. They just play the role differently.
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    Don't disagree, but i would say the way carrick plays it is more effective in our team. I think, like others, that we ideally need two more midfielders, so we'd have 5 to cover 3 positions.
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    This is an interesting take. Maybe the reason we lacked fluidity when Herrera played a deeper role is less because Carrick is not there, but more because we missed Ander energy and work rate in his vacated position. Nobody offer anything similar to him in the current squad
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    Never.
    Our policy under Mourinho is buy world class talent or world class players.
    Rarely available in January.
    Our policy will become more like real madrids, buy proven class players, minimal risk.
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    Kubalionzzale New Member

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    Does someone know a midfielder that will essentialy be good just for matches in training?
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    The fact that any combo with Mata on the bench, Pogba keeping his current position and Fellaini or Schweinsteiger replacing Carrick or Herrera is better than any of those combinations. Limiting Pogba to make room for Mata didn't work for us before, it didn't change.
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    I have to agree with this.
    Pogba was struggling before Herrera came into the side and so was the whole team.
    Carrick and Herrera have been by far our most important players over this 9 game streak.
    Herrera hasn't got the most attractive job, but it is the most valuable to our side, alongside Carrick.
    He sweeps up, intercepts, drags the ball forward from our own half and always provides an outlet to turn defense into attack.
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    We should do because we are one injury to Carrick, Pogba or Herrera away from a severely weakened side, with a heavy schedule of games.
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    It's a possibilty, however I don't think we should.

    Schnierderlin rarely played anyway, so its not as though he will be missed. If we were to buy another midfielder now it would further limit the playing time of Fosu Mensah, who has the potential to be an excellent player for us for years to come. He in my opinion should be used as our back up option in midfield rather than Felliani.

    We absolutely need to replace Carrick in the summer however and that is when we should buy, I don't believe anyone of sufficient quality will be available this month.
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    Personally I believe some people take the youth aspect a bit too far.
    I think TFM is going to be a huge player for us, in more ways than one, the kid is a monster. But lets not forget he has just turned 19.

    I think the amount of youth Ferguson played has been slightly overstated. I don't remember a time that a player we hadn't signed at 17-18+ became a staple of Fergusons side at the age of 18-20, especially in his last half decade or so as manager.
    Players from the academy that did feature regularly under him were first loaned out until they were in their early twenties such as Cleverly or Welbeck.

    Pogba was clearly a capable player but we played senior team defenders as midfielders rather than playing someone so young.

    I also seem to remember Ferguson's last master stroke being the signing of RVP, an ageing striker, to win us the title. That was on top of an already aged squad.

    To me it feels like there is some standard hyperbole that goes with the youth aspect of United in recent years, and it is very unfair to expect our managers post Fergie to be fielding plenty of 18-19 year olds.
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    Completely agree with needing 5 starting quality options for the 3 positions. The question is whether the club "makes do" until the summer or goes into the market now. I think it's risky but they may wait until summer.

    I think losing any of the 3 would be a blow because they all offer something that nobody else in the squad can. Energy and work rate has been missing badly in the United midfield for years before this season. Herrera is the main one who provides that and I don't even think they are his best attributes.

    When Carrick doesn't play, the main one impacted is Pogba. The current options without Carrick are to change the system or play Fellaini. I prefer the first option but it means Pogba is less effective.
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    This. No need to replace now, but will need a top class replacement for Carrick in the summer.
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    Exactly, but it's been going on for a long time. We forget that the Co92 didn't actually get into the team until they were almost 20 GNev, Beckham and Scholes were all a month shy of their 20th birthdays when they began their real first team careers. The only 18/19 year olds that became squad fixtures under SAF were Giggs, then a huge gap, then Anderson, Rafael and Fabio.
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    That doesn't follow. That just shows that our first choice midfielders have aleady played loads of games. If we carry on as we have done we'll need Herrera and Pogba to play 50 games or so each this season.
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    Chorley1974 Lady Ole

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    buy a player to replace a player who doesn't play, struggling with that
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    Without being snobbish, we have 4 realistic options to cover 3 positions - it's not that difficult to see we're short on numbers.
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    Chorley1974 Lady Ole

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    yep, which is why we wouldn't be buying a replacement, we'd buy someone who plays
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    Well they'd still be taking his place in the squad
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    Or another way of looking at it: we just gained £22m and made some room on the wage bill from a player that has contributed nil in the first half of the season which we could use to invest in a player that will contribute in the second half of the season and provide much needed cover for our midfield.

    I don't think we should spend for the sake of spending but if there's anyone on the radar that we think we could land in January then I'm all for it.
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    Think thats Woodwards policy as well. Thats why since Fergie he and the glazers started spending big, speculate to accumulate (more sponserships). Once we have a squad of 10 -12 top class players then the youth will supplement them. Mourinhos his ideal manager, and it showed that in the summer with the 4 that came in.