Woman accuses Cristiano Ronaldo of rape - CR7 case only

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    http://www.spiegel.de/international...-woman-accuses-ronaldo-of-rape-a-1230627.html

    Big story in Germany right now, the lawyer of the woman who accuses Ronaldo of raping her in Las Vegas is going to court to battle the NDA.

    That is the big one out of that story, if he himself is on record that she said no.

    Oh and if you wonder why that is published in the German media, the answer is the initial story came from Football-Leaks and German newspaper SPIEGEL have the best connection to them.
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    Does anyone for a second believe Ronaldo of all people has to rape someone to have sex? Jesus Christ.. The man doesn't even drink to rule out the sane/sober mind arguement (if there was one).

    American Woman is out for a quick buck.. shocker.

    EDIT: Really should educate myself with the article/facts before jumping too conclusions.
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    Then why did he pay her $375000 NDA and why in his statement did he say she asked him to stop and repeatedly said no?

    What a fecking disgusting comment, attactive men can rape women and also whilst we're at it less attractive women can be raped. Why would he need to? Maybe he just isnt used to not getting what he wants.
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    What a shocking comment.
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    I havent pinned Ronaldo as anything I just believe allegations of rape should be taken seriously and I find the attitude of men that instantly dismiss any women accusing a celebrity of rape as being a money grabbers to be totally abhorrent.

    With everything that has happened in the last few years with the me too movement and everything that is still happening now with kavanaugh etc I dont see how anyone can think comments like the one I replied to is anything other than utterly disgusting.
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    Is that what it says @BarcaSpurs ? My comment looks terrible now that I didn't read it first. :lol:
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    Yes and although you should read the article before jumping to conclusions I still think the attitide of 'he can get any woman he wants so why would he need to rape someone' is completely wrong. We're not talking about him drugging someone and dragging them back to their hotel, we're talking about her withdrawing consent at the last moment or even during intercourse and whether he purposely ignored her.

    I can imagine a star who is used to having anything they want would struggle in that moment to put their ego and selfish needs aside.
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    Sure, I agree with that. That was a terrible comment. The problem now is that he'll have millions treating him as if he was a rapist without any conviction.

    Innocent until proven guilty won't apply when the person being accused has millions and millions of people looking to get their hatred of him validated.
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    Oh poor Ronaldo, I'm sure that the whole world is against him

    Anyway when Ronaldo himself says that "the woman said no and stop several times" people will have doubts about his innocence and rightly so.
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    But that's just most common people, doesn't need to be Barcelona fans, just everyone that's anti/neutral to Ronaldo.

    Personally, I'll wait to see what happens to form an opinion in this, when we enter this diffuse territory territory of "I consented but not to that point", NDA, settlements and bringing it up years later because "now it's the time" I'd rather wait for everything to unfold than position one way or the other.

    But yeah, in a way I don't envy you right now, there's going to be a lot of people that will attack Cris just because they can take a dig at him,
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    “She said no and stop” -Ronaldo

    Now let’s not jump to conclusions

    I want to hear Ronaldo's side as well, but if the document says that is what Ronaldo has said himself then that is pretty damning.
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    An American woman accuses football player Cristiano Ronaldo of having raped her. In Der Spiegel she brings out her story. A statement from Ronaldo partly confirms her side of the story.

    It is a legal battle between unequal parties: on the one hand Cristiano Ronaldo, 33, soccer world star. On the other side Kathryn Mayorga, 34, a blank sheet from Las Vegas. Once they crossed their paths: on June 12, 2009 in a nightclub and then in apartment 57306 of the Palms-Hotel in Las Vegas.

    The German weekly Der Spiegel reported last year that Mayorga accused the footballer of having raped her in the penthouse apartment. Although the footballer denies everything and says that it was sex with mutual consent, months later it came to an arrangement between the lawyers of Mayorga and Ronaldo. He paid the woman 375,000 dollars (324,000 euros). In return, the alleged victim gave a written guarantee that she would never speak of the accusations.

    She does not want to keep that promise nine years later today. She tells Der Spiegel why she breaks the silence. She also describes how she met Ronaldo, how he would have raped her, how it came to the settlement and how she suffers from the consequences of that one night in June 2009. "I never ceased to accept him and myself complain. He for what he did and for me because I signed that agreement. "

    Mayorga now comes out with her story because her new lawyer, Leslie Mark Stovall, has filed a complaint against Ronaldo.

    For months, Stovall, 65, studied the case. "Our complaint aims to have the settlement and the silent contract annulled," says Stovall. "Kathryn was unable to sign such an agreement because of the psychological damage she suffered as a result of the abuse. This makes the contract voidable. '

    According to Stovall, Ronaldo's lawyers would have been aware of the psychological state of his client. "They used that for their purposes." The unstable state of Mayorga is also covered in e-mails from Ronaldo's lawyers.

    In April of this year, a forensic psychiatrist examined Kathryn Mayorga at the request of Stovall. The professor noted that the woman suffers from post-traumatic stress and depression as' direct and exclusive consequence of sexual violence by Ronaldo '.

    Record transfer

    The night of the alleged rape starts in the VIP section of the Rain nightclub, in the Palms Casino Resort. Ronaldo is on holiday with his brother-in-law and his nephew. It was the summer when Ronaldo went from Manchester United to Real Madrid for the (then) record transfer amount of 94 million euros.

    Kathryn Mayorga is out with a friend that evening, she says to Der Spiegel. Then someone suddenly touches her arm: Ronaldo. "He said something of: you, come with me."

    Ronaldo would have laughed at her because she did not follow him right away, she says. Then he would have taken her a drink and introduced her to his entourage. They talked a little and then he would have asked her phone number. "I gave it, then he left. I thought: okay, cool. "

    Ronaldo later sent her a text message, says Mayorga. The woman, her friend, Ronaldo and his group met in the lobby of the Palms, after which they went together to the apartment of Ronaldo. Some would have sat down in the jacuzzi. Ronaldo offered her swimming gear, says Mayorga.

    Mayorga says she went to a bathroom to change clothes. When she was only wearing shorts, Ronaldo suddenly came in, with his sex out of his pants. "He was standing next to me and wanted me to touch his penis. He begged me: it's only for 30 seconds! I said no. Then he said that I had to put him in the mouth. What an idiot! I laughed and thought: this is a joke. This guy is so famous and he looks so good, but he's a creep. "

    Ronaldo would not have left it. "At one point he said something about it: I'll let you go if you give me a kiss. And I said, okay. I kiss you, but I do not touch you. "

    Kathryn Mayorga ensures she has only kissed and never touched him. But the kiss would only have made him even more horny. "He touched me everywhere, also from below and he wanted to kiss me everywhere. I pushed him away from me and said no again. "

    According to Mayorga, Ronaldo did not give up and pulled her to a bedroom. "I pushed him away again. He has tried to take off my underwear. I then rolled up in a ball and tried to protect my vagina with both hands. Then he jumped on me. "She says she called" no, no, no. " But Ronaldo would have raped her anally, Kathryn Mayorga claims. Without condom, without lubricant.

    Questionnaire

    The next day, Mayorga goes to the police and shows them at the University Medical Center. The case was given a reference number that appears later in the settlement between Mayorga and Ronaldo. At the police, Mayorga is silent about the identity of the man who would have raped her.

    She is advised by her lawyer. He advises her not to come out with the story. But Mayorga did not want to leave it for what it is: "I wanted to teach him a lesson. And I wanted him to pay the therapies that I was sure I would need them for. I never wanted to enrich myself. But I wanted to be able to look into his eyes and say what he did to me. "

    From documents that the Football Leaks whistleblowing platform has passed on to Der Spiegel, it appears that Mayorga's then lawyer contacted a Ronaldo lawyer in July 2009. In the months that followed, a whole team of lawyers dealt with the accusations. They raise a hundred questions for Ronaldo, his brother-in-law and his nephew.

    In that document Ronaldo receives the alias' X. 'Kathryn Mayorga is' Ms. C '.

    There are multiple versions of the questionnaire. The questions remain similar, but the answers are not. In a December 2009 version, Ronaldo talks about sex with mutual consent. He also says that he did not receive any signals that she did not agree with sex, or that she felt bad afterwards.

    But there is another, older version of the questionnaire. De Standaard has also been able to view that document. That questionnaire was sent by mail in September 2009. The sender is a lawyer from the office of Carlos Osório de Castro, a confidant of Ronaldo. The recipients of the e-mail were Osório de Castro and another colleague.

    'No, no, no'

    On the question if Ms. C (Mayorga, ed.) Would have raised, shouted or called her voice, replied X (Ronaldo, ed.):

    "She said no and stop several times." She would have been lying on her side. "I pushed her past behind. It was brutal. We have not changed the position. 5/7 minutes. She said she did not want it, but she kept herself available. "And further:" She has always said no. "Do not do it. I'm not like the others. "In retrospect, I apologized." But she would not have shouted or called.

    Question: Does Ms. C said something about it that the sex would have been too brutal for her? X: 'She did not complain about it being too brutal. She complained that I forced her. She did not say she would go to the police. "

    Ronaldo confirms in that version of the questionnaire that Mayorga has said no more than once. And he apologized to her afterwards. There are contradictions about whether Kathryn Mayorga would have satisfied him by hand. He says yes. She says not.

    He also describes a foreplay in the bathroom. He also describes the previous acquaintance in the nightclub differently than she does: the women would have asked to be in the VIP section and have drunk a lot. Phone numbers would not have been exchanged. Ronaldo would have invited the women in the club to his hotel.

    Kathryn Mayorga, as Ronaldo's group of friends recalls, would not have come across as disgusted when she later came out of the room.

    'Police hampered'

    The testimony of Ronaldo to his lawyers is an important piece of evidence for Stovall, the new lawyer of Mayorga. The settlement that both parties concluded at the time would, according to him, have the aim of obstructing the police investigation. That's not allowed. There is no doubt that everyone has the right to defend themselves against accusations. But there is a red line: to want to hide a crime is also a crime. '

    Kathryn Mayhorga has quit her job because now she says she needs all her strength. She lives in hiding and wants to be unreachable.

    Ronaldo was also unreachable. In the past year and a half, Der Spiegel has given him several times the opportunity to give his version of the events of 2009. All attempts led to nothing. 'Any news about this would not be legal', a Ronaldo lawyer reported.

    The police have had several contacts with Kathryn Mayorga over the past few weeks and have questioned her again. In Nevada, sexual violence never lapses if it is documented in time by the police.
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    Not the whole world, just a big majority of the people that actually care. It's that way with most celebrities, nevermind Cristiano Ronaldo of all people.

    Do you have any evidence of him saying that, the context in which it was said or do you have any idea what happened? Having doubts about someone's innocence and deeming him guilty are very different things. Everyone should have doubts but it's still not up to you to make a definitive judgement without having any clue what happened. He's innocent until proven guilty, as is the case with all the other Spiegel articles.

    In April, they reported that Ronaldo was using offshore accounts in Luxembourg and Jersey
    http://www.spiegel.de/international...firms-in-luxembourg-and-jersey-a-1204077.html

    A few months before that they reported he had signed a forged document on his tax fraud defense
    http://www.elmundo.es/deportes/football-leaks/2017/06/21/594aa26e22601df1098b45e5.html

    They reported Messi's charity match was a money laundering operation to fund a cartel too
    http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussbal...-und-seine-stiftung-die-amigos-a-1187847.html

    If it comes to anything in court, then pass judgement. Until then, it should never happen.
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    I'm surprised the story isn't bigger. It's basically Spiegel and some highly questionable media outlets reporting it so far.
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    Naturally I have no idea if this is true, just only weird thing: according to her Ronaldo had sex without protection.
    Ronaldo is known to be super freak about his health, would he have sex without condom with a random girl in Vegas of all places?
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    Theafonis In love with @Eboue

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    Yeah I haven't seen anything from other outlets like BBC as well, probably waiting on more confirmation. Spiegel is apparently a really well respected journalist outlet in Germany. I really don't think they would publish something like this especially on the topic of someone so high profile like Ronaldo.
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    #MeToo is the modern days witch hunt. Just accuse anyone, especially if it's someone famous or someone in the news at the moment and ideally say it was some time ago so that there won't be any physical proof left. In the court of public opinion that person is guilty at that moment and as there isn't any physical evidence (and most likely even if there is) it ends in a he said/she said situation where the alledged criminal can't be proven guilty but can't defend himself either. It's innocent until proven guilty turned upside down and just like back then there is no defense: The only difference is you don't get actually burned at the stake but "just" figuratively... And if that's too gruesome the "humane solution" back then was to throw witches off a cliff or let them drown because if they were guilty they could fly away and be unmasked and if they were innocent they should be happy that they are on their way to God...

    And before anyone screams "there is physical evidence" in this case, yes, of two people having sex in 2009. It's 2018 now... Imagine if you had sex with some woman now and in 10 years she will say you've raped her and publicly drag you through the mud while you have moved on, have a family with a different woman, have a well paying job you worked your a$$ off for... In its worst consequence people would just not engage into intercourse anymore...
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    So he pressured her, kept on while she kept telling him no and even apologized to her in the aftermath. Sounds pretty rapey to me.
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    Yep, they are pretty reliable. There are some that are as good as them, but you willnot find a more thorough paper than them.
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    'She said no and stop several times' isn't necessarily damning - to me it sounds like it's been selectively quoted. You can still have consensual sex and during that time ask to stop too - especially if as the article quotes it's related to Anal intercourse.

    Looking up the full quote from the questionaire in the previous page is pretty weird too - "She said no and stop several times." She would have been lying on her side. "I pushed her past behind. It was brutal. We have not changed the position. 5/7 minutes. She said she did not want it, but she kept herself available. "And further:" She has always said no. "Do not do it. I'm not like the others. "In retrospect, I apologized." But she would not have shouted or called.

    It seems to suggest she said no, but also said yes? I think with a lot of these sexual allegation cases, it's best left to the courts to decide. Many cases have been false and adversely affected the celebrities careers, though many cases have been suppressed as was the case till the Me Too movement. But I think there's too much of a rush for public condemnation, based on allegations, where a person is guilty before anything's been proven. You had that this year with Aziz Ansari, who was condemned, but when the actual details of the encounter were made public it allowed people to see that was more of a case of consensual sex gone bad.
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    It’s not. If your partner keeps saying „no“ and „stop“ during intercourse and you just keep going, without checking what’s happening with that partner, what he or she means, if he or she is comfortable or wants to stop, that’s clearly rape.
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    Very one sided view that happens when you take words out of context or just read them from a piece of paper. All dirty talk or roleplaying sounds like rape if judged that way, same goes for most sitcoms by the way - you should watch the videos of Friends or Big Bang Theory without the laugh track, then some of the dialogues sound rapey there, too (and in that case you only take one piece of context away and it changes perception dramatically already). Fact is in these situations there are always huge shades of grey and it's almost never as clear cut as you make it sound. Unless you're just another German Gutmensch, of course, then the world is easily divided into good and bad, black and white, moral and immoral.
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    This is a google translate of the German text it seems, so some passages sound a bit strang. "She kept herself available" likely refers to the German ("sie hat sich bereitgestellt") which I would interpret as another way of saying she didn't fight.

    If you ass-feck someone "the brutal way" while they say "no", "don't do that", "I'm not like the others" there seems to be little room for misinterpretation and don't forget those are his own recollections, at least according to Der Spiegel. I do believe in innocent until proven guilty, but after reading that article that really taks some effort.
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    Some of you guys are actually sick
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    Yeah, just no.
    If your at it and she keeps saying „no“ and „stop“ and you just go on, that‘s rape. Period. You have to check on your partner in a moment like this. Period.
    That was a one night stand. There were no safewords or anything. Just a woman who was deeply afraid, in a powerless position, saying „no“ and „stop“ over and over, and a powerful, physically imposing man who just kept going.
    You don’t need a gun to rape someone. You don’t even have to cause phsyical harm. It’s still rape.

    Oh, congratulations on your attempt at discrediting me using Nazi-terms. I hope you're proud of yourself for that.
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    Absolutely shocking... Can't believe it wasn't a Dude
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    Bit presumptious.

    Most girls I know don’t even think Ronaldo is attractive.
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    If there is an NDA in place I guess we won't be see any credible outlets reporting on this?
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    I could barely go through some of the posts here without throwing up.
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    There's nothing grey about repeatedly saying no, stop, no no no and the person exerting themselves on you in response.

    My god.
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    Wow. Because he's attractive he's absolved from potentially raping someone? For shame.
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    Right because it’s just that information that makes it “look terrible.” Before that it in no way sounds like the words of a moron. No sir.
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    Some over the top display of self righteousness going on in here
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    Der Spiegel are among the most credible German outlets. I also don't think that an NDA signed between person A and B is legally binding for journalist C.
    As far as I can tell Ronaldo's "confidential" statement is a product of Football leaks and thus is only available to Der Spiegel and their international partners, so other papers simply don't have the facts to report anything other than "Spiegel claims".
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    Some people's morals are so flexible they'd put Cirque du Soleil to shame.