Would You Mind a 3rd / 4th Place Season if the Football Was More Exciting?

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  1. Aug 12, 2018 at 05:42
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    montpelier Full Member

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    I'm just curious & running a fantasy scenario where The Board have said to Jose, ''no more huge stacks of cash until we see some fantastic entertainment, show us you can do it''

    But mainly (so we don't just rehash the anti / pro JM stuff) what's your answer to the header question?
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    I wouldn't mind for the moment - but if that happens for 2 seasons running, the scales probably start tipping back towards, ''it's getting time we won something again - this isn't Spurs / Liverpool''

    But you can't not win anything & be fairly dull, that combination definitely doesn't work. And is the cause of discontent, would be how I see it.

    Some of you only think the CL & league are worth winning - I don't really agree with that. But equally, the time does eventually arrive when the League needs winning again (I don't think we're quite there yet either).
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    iluvurmummy Full Member

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    Nah I wouldn't mind, top four is as good as we'll get this year and who cares if you get 3rd/4th as opposed to second. If Mourinho demonstrates that he can get this team to play, he will gain increasing support from the board and the fans. Create the feeling that we're getting somewhere and bring optimism.
  4. Aug 12, 2018 at 05:53
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    But that would mean wasting another year of prime Alexis, Pogba, Lukaku.

    We knew Jose would not play gegenpressing or pep style football. But when after 2 years, even his patented counter attack style is not working as well as it should, it is a legitimate cause for concern.

    Saying that, I would take a 2nd or 3rd place finish if it meant that we play more games on the front foot and not sleepwalk through entire halves.
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    Would rather finish 3rd playing football that is exciting to watch than 2nd playing football that sends people to sleep. If we’re not going to win the league, we may as well enjoy the games.
  6. Aug 12, 2018 at 07:55
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    Unfortunately we are playing for a a 2nd or 3rd place finish with sleepwalking football through entire halves. If you want games on the front foot you'd have to accept a 5th or 6th place finish.

    How football that sends people to sleep but 1st place vs exciting football at 2nd place?

    Or football that sends people to sleep at 2nd place vs exciting football at 4th place?
  7. Aug 12, 2018 at 07:57
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    Aim is to play decent to good footbal and win the league and CL. I have no issues going through a process that takes a few years to achieve this and win nothing in the meantime as long as we are progressing to that goal.
  8. Aug 12, 2018 at 07:59
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    Bastian Full Member

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    I'd take a title challenge over any style of football. Not that it's on offer mind.

    I'd take a fourth place finish in any season if we were giving a lot of game time to promising academy players.
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    Depends if we're 3rd/4th and 10-20 points away from 1st or 3rd/4th and less than 10 points off for example. I'd rather win the league though.
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    Uhm, yes I would mind very much.
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    Again, why does it have to be one of the other ?? Why is it even a question ?? Is there any proof that by playing shit football we pick up more wins or points than we would by playing attacking football ?? Is there any benefit in having a negative approach to a game than a positive one ?? Is there anything to be gained by being a reactive team than a proactive one ?? How does it help these players that we bought for ridiculous money to play without the ball than with it ??

    This stupid narrative that we have to choose one or the other is one of the most ridiculous and pathetic excuses I have seen for the shit that is usually served for us in the games.
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    It's an easy choice, seeing as I don't see us finishing better than third anyway.

    At the end of the day, football is a hobby for me, a pastime. If I get no entertainment or enjoyment from watching it, there's no point anymore. And that was how I felt during many of our games last season.

    Of course there are games where winning is everything. In a Champions League final I don't care how we play if we win. But in the bread and butter Premier League games, we need to be more watchable, and yes, to some degree I'd swap results for more entertainment value.

    The thing is, though, it's not an either-or situation because the results aren't very good. And the trend in football, fortunately, is that high-pressing, aggressive, attacking football is rewarded. So I do believe more entertainment would lead to better results. After all, the more chances you create, the more goals you tend to score. Creating precious few chances per game and relying on your goalkeeper to bail you out is not a recipe for great results.
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    So basically you'd prefer style over substance.

    That's a hard no for me.

    I'll take hoofball/park the bus if it means winning.
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    You make it sound as if 3rd or 4th is an absolute given already.
    The fight for top 4, in any order, will be an absolute slog for United this season given our style of football. Achievable, yes, but certain, no!
    We all want a title fight but if we are all truly honest, a top 4 finish would be great.
  15. Aug 12, 2018 at 08:35
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    A big part of the reason why we are erring on the defensive side, is the mess that Jose inherited.
    I think he’s trying to make us a solid unit again and once we are, the attacking freedom will come back.
    We have to at least walk before we can run.
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    We haven't really conceded many goals since LVG's time. It's attacking football that leaves us below others. I'm sure de Gea is a huge reason for that, but it is what it is.
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    Wouldn’t mind at all. Given that our boring negative football would at best give us 2nd to 4th place finish anyway.
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    GaryLifo Nice Bloke

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    We haven't seen our 'style of football' yet this season or even in pre season.

    The first half on Friday was not it. You can clearly see the manager wasn't happy with it either.

    Second half was closer to it when we controlled the game and should have scored one or two more goals.

    Unlike some of you, I can see what he is going for. But without a full strength team it's not quite there yet.

    A Matic, Pogba and Fred midfield is capable of dominating most sides in this league.

    I think he'll go 3 5 2 eventually. Young and Valencia as wing backs with Sanchez as a 10 in behind Lukaku up front.
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    This.
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    I'd like us to win the league again. I dont care how

    The more boring the better.

    Anything that'll wind up the hypocrital style purists
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    And the Latte drinking bedroom managers
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    1) Winning something with good football

    2) Winning something with shite football

    3) Winning nothing with good football

    4) Winning nothing with shite football

    Pretty clearly in that order, for me.
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    Maciek Known for "good moanings" not only in the morning

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    We're going to be fourth with a terrible football, so third place with more exciting football would be a lot better.

    We're not going to have a good season, deal with it. Not with that team and style and manager.
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    Couldn't have said it better!
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    The thing is you can't make decision without hindsight. I meant if you chose exciting football and 4th place, yet in that weak season where the team who make the less mistake (being more pragmatic) become champion, you would look proper mugged when hindsight hit you. Look at Napoli this past season. After all the optimisms, at the close of season, there was bitterness in themselves for not being more pragmatic.

    The scenario OP posing is only applicable for when the 3 losers of the top 4 give up their season and concede their season and try to save face.

    Ideally everyone want to win and win in style. When it's too competitive, then it's Okay to just win it. The victors write the history.
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    It depends, if playing the current shite gets us the title I'm all for it. If we are only going to finish 2nd without actually competing for the title I'd take exciting football and a 4th place finish.

    NB: if we play exciting football title will automatically come if not immediately
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    Football should be fun and enjoyable. I would much rather we played exciting and attacking football and came close than won the league playing as we do.

    As an older fan, the 80s were more enjoyable than it is now and that’s not based on some sad nostalgia.

    Atkinson’s sides were frustrating as hell at times and never managed to win the biggest prizes but they weren’t dull and that’s the best word to describe us now.
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    Based on Jose’s post match quotes, maybe the penny has finally dropped?

    “As I told the players, we had very good periods [of play] and lots of glimpses of the football we want to try to play”
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    Red_Ramirez New Member

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    Is that written in the stars then?
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    Red_Ramirez New Member

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    I remember we finished 11th twice in Fergies' first three seasons in the 80's. The football was dire as well... so...
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    A while back we would be laughing at Arsenal for accepting this kind of thing.
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    Red_Ramirez New Member

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    I personally would love to see that. Sanchez up front with Lukaku just spells more goals
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    Well we're probably going to finish around about there while playing awful football so I'd likely take it, yes.

    More seriously, it depends on context, doesn't it? We could be involved in a title race up until the last couple of games of the season and narrowly finish in third place. If we did that while playing great football then surely that would be cause for optimism.

    Last season we finished in second. But it wasn't competitive. Position isn't really the point, moreso how competitive the season actually is.
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    2nd without challenging is no different to third or fourth. So yes, I would take good football and finish 3rd/4th rather than shit on a stick football and finish 2nd with 19 points behind City.
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    One of the reasons Jose has been grumpy as feck most of the time here is probably because he can't get his team to play the way he wants to. I'm certain he wants to push forward more than we do, but we can only hope he figures out how to do it.
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    Jev Full Member

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    It's been more than two full seasons now, how long is this excuse valid?

    If he doesn't feel he's been able to create a solid unit yet, then he has failed.
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    For title i will accept ultra defensive football with 1.0 wins after corners.
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    I'm so disillusioned that I'd give an arm just to see us play good football.
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    I will just be happy if we get top 4.
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    You know you can take a break from Mourinho and follow Arsenal and Liverpool for a while right?

    After your soul gets crush from the beautiful goal conceding losing football you will gain new appreciation of defensive nous and winning.