Young Americans On Not Voting

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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/12-young-people-on-why-they-probably-wont-vote.html

    the responses are going to make some people very mad but they are pretty much spot on or at least coming from a point of a view i am sympathetic to


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    Can I as a young American be judgemental of those who don't vote?

    I have many friends who share the thoughts of those the OP quoted. And it is infuriating at times.
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    a few of the main points:

    • candidates dont represent me
    • voting is inconvenient in some states
    • registering to vote is confusing in some states
    • my vote doesnt matter
    • the democrats are cowards
    • the voting process is outdated
    • politicians lack principles
    • neither party has a plan to do anything about global warming
    • there is more to being politically active than voting
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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    which ones do you find to be bad reasons? i dont agree with them all but i can see where they are coming from
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    Well I hope all these folks are instead promoting electoral reform, ranked-choice or proportional voting systems. I doubt it though. I can totally understand those who lean left not wanting to vote for centre-right Dems, but they need to be proactive about it. They risk making their country even worse if not.
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    More younger candidates who younger voters may actually relate with may help things out. Sanders aside, most older candidates offer little in the way of inspiration to the 18-34 crowd.
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    I don't think they are bad reasons to not vote. The main problem for me is that those opinions sometimes come from people who will be fine, regardless of how the election shapes out. So they can afford to justify not voting. But it's selfish to be all "I'm all right Jack" and not think of those who stand to be disadvantaged by the vote going sideways.
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    Was going to put the most obviously bad ones in bold but easier/quicker to highlight the only reason that isn't bad.

    Some of them are really, really bad though. Voting is inconvenient? The registration process is confusing? Feck me. Not exactly shattering the entitled millenials stereotype, are they?!?
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    To be fair to them it's difficult to think of any recent examples where countries have been led down a damaging path by an aging, conservative electorate who turned out to vote in greater numbers than young adults did.

    Oh wait...
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    but it is inconvenient. it is confusing. i mean, those are real concerns. whats the best way to get more people to vote: scolding them and calling them entitled are removing the barriers erected by the right to prevent people from voting?
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    Seems like a lot of young people in the US also are searching for a third party.

    I want a political party that would encourage business, as i understand the importance of a strong economy for development in a nation, but at the same time i want my government to put people ahead of profits. I also want my government to be proactive on green technology and protecting the environment, anti war, yet serious about crime and security.

    It seems right now in the UK, you can't have it all.
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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    ok. but that doesnt address the issue because disadvantaged people often have the same reasons.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/...ighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Ideally, the barriers need to be removed. That will hopefully happen when you've got a government in power with a vested interest in making voting easier/more convenient for everyone (i.e. not the Republican party).

    Which won't happen any time soon, so long as these lightweights are deciding they won't vote because it's just too much hassle.
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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    but we had that government. obama had a supermajority. and they didnt make any attempt to help. they defunded acorn for fecks sake. its a fair reaction to look at the past and realize that neither party cares about them or their lives or the lives of the poor.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Nah, that’s bollox. Damaging bollox too. This idea that “they’re all as bad as each other” when Obama launched Obamacare and Trump is putting children in cages.
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    I am a lazy entitled cnut who can't bother to go through the herculean task of registering to vote or getting off my ass to vote. Doesn't matter to me if Trump or some Trump propelled right wing lunatic gets elected because the other options aren't sexy enough. If a candidate doesn't represent my myopic, batty & unimplementable ideas, the world can burn in hell. #IamWoke #JesuisWhateverthefeckistrending

    What a bunch of fecking assholes.
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    Pogue, buddy, it's not bollocks. They had a supermajority. They didn't do anything to make voting easier. They didn't do anything simple like automatic registration on your 18th birthday or automatic mailed ballots. They didnt do anything. I'm not speculating, I'm just looking at what actually happened.
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    Silly and stupid excuses.
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    ive voted in every election and we've had the same impact, so good call by you.
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    Most of those are pathetic. Yeah let’s desire something better without actually doing the bare minimum to effect that change. Lazy entitled cnuts.
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    True. I was speaking about my friends.

    I think the reasons for voting are almost always legitimate. I can think of a bunch of excuses that would justify not voting next week. But I'm going to try to push against those reasons as much as is possible. Some people don't have the luxury of doing that. My ire is for those who can push, and inconvenience themselves a bit, but choose not to. I wouldn't knock someone who didn't have transportation options for not getting to the booth.

    Truth of the matter is that the people who we're up against always turn out. How does change happen if our voices are everywhere (social media, prime time opinion shows, late night comedy), but not at the booth? Yes, even if the choices aren't perfect and voting isn't 100% convenient?
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    If they don't vote at all though, wouldn't it make the situations worse?

    They need more progressive politicians but those won't come out because they think no one will vote them to offices?

    It will be a bit difficult at first but someone gotta start somewhere and I do think young voters coming out to vote and make their voices heard would be a necessary start for this process even if they have to vote for a bit of centrist candidates first then demand them to go progressive a bit more for each cycle.

    At least the right are winning that way. You're not going to get there at all once.

    In short, they should use their brains a bit more to be useful.
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    Instead of spending money on TV ads, Dems should put all their effort into overcoming voter registration challenges for the poor who are ready to vote, but are prevented from voting. It may be good for these non voting people who can volunteer to those efforts as they may see how poor people without representation suffer massively yet want to vote to make a difference.
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    Sorry. You’re right. I was too dismissive. The Democrats could and should have done more to make voting easier for everyone. Hard to work out why they didn’t as it would be such an obvious benefit to them in the next election. Any idea why the sat on their hands?

    EDIT: Genuine question. In case you think I’m being my usual sarcy self!
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    but "the choices aren't perfect" isnt a fair way of describing the fact that we have 12 years to save the planet and neither party is doing anything about it.


    additionally, i think its reasonable to conclude that your vote doesnt matter in a country where:

    • the republicans have lost the popular vote and won the electoral college twice in the last twenty years
    • democrats won more votes for the house and republicans have a large majority
    • state and local districts are extremely gerrymandered
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    Its not that simply in every state though. A few states have massive voter suppression efforts where the rolls get purged late, polling stations are removed from the center of poor districts, they have to deal with old voting machines. Then take into account that employers who are more likely Republican don't have to give their employees any time off to vote (in California they do). Many of these workers are week to week wage workers. I know from some countries/states it seems simply to just say "well just Vote" but in some states its just not that simply and vote shaming like always happens never helps.

    There could of course be some easy fixes from an incentive perspective if the Federal government wanted:

    • Every voter automatically gets absentee ballot 45 days in advance and no voter rolls are allowed to be purged after that
    • Every employer must allow time off for employees to vote during Election Day without being forced to lose sick or vacation time
    • Every district must have some standard of polling stations. You can't have a 5 minute wait in Republican leaning districts to vote and a 2 hour wait in poor/minority districts
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    Lol. You made a specific prediction: "That will hopefully happen when you've got a government in power with a vested interest in making voting easier/more convenient for everyone (i.e. not the Republican party)."

    Eboue cited actual history of the opposite happening.

    Your response: "uhhh Trump locks people in cages."


    No, the conversation was about the Dems having a vested interest in more voters, but it seems in reality they didn't care about it.
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    It's not impossible. New Labour managed it for years.
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    :lol: I was actually unsure


    I honestly think the reason is because 1) gerrymandering helps the politicians currently in power. Usually it creates safe seats for both sides in order to get votes from the current elected officials. 2) they are a center right party who long ago jettisoned the base of their party in favor of chasing wall street money 3) they are cowards, as usual

    i think democrats genuinely do not want mass movements or grassroots organizing. heres another example of it.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/140245/obamas-lost-army-inside-fall-grassroots-machine
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    My comment about Trump in cages was a response to the idea that neither party “cares about them or the lives of the poor”. Which obviously goes beyond the issue of how to make it any easier vote.
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    Please let's not do this for the millionth time. What your saying is completely untrue.
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    This is something I never understood: why do so many countries have elections on weekdays? Makes no sense to me. Here elections are always on a Sunday.

    Also, having to register for an election is very... anti-voter. It should be automatic when you turn 18.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Even if they don’t want mass movements or grassroots organizing why wouldn’t they want to make it easier for poor people to vote, considering they will get the majority of these votes? It’s not as though those votes count for anything other than helping them win the election.
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    ok but how do you effect that change? im more politically interested than the vast majority. ive posted on here before about the absolute despair of the situation. i mean, ill keep fighting because what else can you do except have solidarity but i dont honestly think we can change for the better without getting so much worse first
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    I'm not disagreeing with any of that. It's a self fulfilling prophecy though. Your vote will absolutely not count when you don't vote because you think it doesn't count.

    Voting isn't sufficient against those obstacles you've mentioned.
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    i dont have a great answer. sometimes i think they genuinely prefer being a minority party because then no one expects anything of them. sometimes i think its because only the truly poor are actual dem lean.

    if your family income is less than $50,000 you are poor in america. and yet look at this table.

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    The cold truth is that for many people that are not attracted to following politics but just trying to live their lives and make ends meet their lives are simply not materially different under Trump than Obama than Bush than Clinton. There are big groups that don't feel any negative effects from Trump's presidency at this point in time so when they get lectured "OMG Trump is so evil, you need to vote" they think it *is* just the 'liberal media' overreacting. To a lot of people politicians words are just empty hype and from their experience all politicians actions are self-serving.