Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Baby Faced Assassin, Sep 20, 2011.
zeki is very exuberant and a bit out of control. experience will teach him to be more mature.
Fabio is a far better talent.
He's a big lad for his age, and he must have did something good in the reserves for Fergie to consider him in the first team squad. But for now, i can't see him staying in it when injuries clear up. He's like a Bebe in defence at the moment
But Fabio is older and has more experience. And he's often injured.
Zeki is a good option for games like this.
Very raw. Probably go on loan next season. We'll see after that.
I seriously haven't seen anything to suggest he could be a future player for us.
I mean his touch is bad, attacking wise rarely reaches the corner or crosses ,always turn back.
Or is he just too nervous.
Injuries aside Fabio is a way better talent.
Yeah, he's a good 4th choice left back . Fabio is only 2 years older and his game offers so much more.
Physically he is more than capable but he seems to make the odd mistake - he favours his left foot too much to currently play at the centre as he gets caught in awkward positions when trying to manouevre the ball onto his left foot.
If Fabio (and his brother) can´t avoid getting injured every second game then their talent is useless.
If Fryers turns out to be physically stronger, and is available to play most of the time, then he is of more benefit to the squad.
See Wenger's comments on 20 year old players and injuries in relation to Kieron Gibbs - I think the twins are at exactly the same stage.
They'll be well over it in a couple of years and will be fine.
We all know da Silvas are better, but he's not that bad option when Fabio is injured and Rafael isn't 100% fit, right?
The Caf write off a 19-year old footballer. Give him some time to improve.
There's something about Fryers I quite like, can't seem to put words to it though.
If Zeki turns out to be the new O'Shea or new Brown I'd be really happy. A good solid backup is basically all we need, if Smalling, Jones, Fabio and Rafael push on to become our top players.
Who wrote him off? He's alright for a young man, but he has lot to learn and I dont think it should be at United at first - he should be on a loan somewhere where he has a chance to be a regular.
He's not ready for United.
What did he say?
There is no way of predicting at this stage that Rafael, Fabio, Smalling etc will always be ahead of Fryers. We don't even know if the twins will walk into our first team eventually like most seem to presume. Just like we don't know if Fryers will definitely be the new John O'Shea.
In 3 or 4 years we might have a different defensive situation than we think.
Not sure what Wenger said about Gibbs, but Fergie has said many times that some young players get injured a lot because of the 'growing up process'. Not sure what that means. But its something that is not a surprise and stops often after a certain age
But his appearances for the first team were totally unexpected. Believe me, Ferguson knows what's best for him, and if he thinks a loan would help him, he'll loan him out.
Not ready for United. Was Macheda ready in 2009? I don't think so. But he played and scored two important goals. Anyone can make a difference.
And Ferguson seems to think that Zeki is much more ready for United than Pogba and Morrison.
Fryers is needed in the team to cover for Rio/Vida/Rafael/Fabio who are regularly injured, there is no way he will be going out on loan
Dont know about that, they are midfielders, and even today we're better off in midfield than in LB, plus midfield is the key area to a team, whereas in LB a manager can experiment much more freely.
Regardless of positional reasons (which obviously are a factor) Fryers has been involed in 5 (?) games this season.
That would indicate Fergie sees him as being more ready (engrish?) for games with the first team.
Six, actually. I'm editing the statistics thread.
Don't think that shit gets you off the confirmed line up stunt you pulled earlier
How much would he play if we had Fabio or Evans wouldnt be needed in CB?
Less, probably. But that doesn't change the fact he did play.
It's not like we've struggled for numbers in CM this season but players such as Park, Rooney and Gibbo have been preferred.
Physically he's fine. I don't think he's ready for Premier League football yet, though.
Probably would have benefitted from a loan to a Championship club next season.
He played two matches in League Cup when Fabio was also on the pitch, he appeared in 89th minute vs. Galati.
Against Palace, he came on for him after 37 minutes.
In two matches, against Wolves and today, we didn't have Fabio at all (when Zeki got some minutes).
I'm always a sucker for a local lad (to the club), just like I was and still am for Bardsley.
But he will start for us in a Champions League final I tell ya.
So he would have about the same time on the pitch as Pogba. And i think both Pogba and Morrison should go out on loan and have at least a year before they can be really useful for the squad.
Well everyone has said the same about Dyer in his Newcastle days.
But some bodies aren't ready for football/sports.
I really like the twins but they're always injured.
The same goes for Gibbs, he had another set-back.
So, why don't we play Giggs or Park at left-back, but Zeki?
It's a stupid discussion now, we should talk about it at the end of the season.
We needed them elsewhere maybe?
Why use Dyer though? Countless other PL players have overcome injury-prone periods around 19-20 to become consistent performers.
Or that Fergie simply doesn't mind giving Fryers a game if required. Unlike with Pogba who is struggling to even make the bench.
And countless haven't. We don't know which way it will go so using 1 argument but discounting another is entirely pointless.
Go and read what Wenger said about young players going through injury prone spells - it makes sense and a lot of PL players fit the profile he gave, of having a very tough time around 19-20 and then emerging stronger for it and ready for the rigours of the PL. Using Dyer is totally daft as he's essentially a freak in terms of his injury proneness. I think it's definitely fair to say that the overwhelming majority of players develop along the lines of what Wenger was outlining, especially if they're being brought through by Ferguson at a club like United.
I don't doubt what Wenger said makes sense. He's a clever man. But we don't know what will happen with the Da Silvas and just presuming everything will all be OK just because of what Wenger has said is more than a little naive.
There's a chance they could come through it for the better. There's a chance they could continue to suffer with injuries.
We simply don't know.
No shit. I just though Wenger's thoughts on players of exactly their age group with injuries would be interesting amid a lot of doom mongering about them on here...
Look at Messi, he's a similar stature to the twins and he had similar injury problems and now he's completely bulletproof. They might never reach Evra levels of consistency but they'll certainly improve loads.
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