Dont agree actually. with evra's age, fabio could get plenty of games. There are plenty of matches where Evra could be rested and our game wouldnt be affected. Much like evra, fabio's strength lies going forward.
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True, never thought about the 25 man squad. It makes sense though.
He is going to be 22 at the start of next year. Is it u21s or u23s that don't have to be registered?
Defense is the one place Fergie won't rotate unless necessary. Sure Fabio may get some games but, no way he'll get games due to regular rotation. LB for now is Evra's and only reason we've rotated at RB was due to injury at the start of the season to Rafael and Jones/Smalling playing a few games well in that position, that it was a way to give them games.
Loan to a PL club would be fantastic for him, hope they try to make sure it is to a club that's close enough to Manchester so both are close enough to see each other a lot.
Loan to a PL club would be fantastic for him, hope they try to make sure it is to a club that's close enough to Manchester so both are close enough to see each other a lot.
As long as you're 21 at the start of the year, you don't have to be registered. De Gea and Rafael has to be registered next season, essentially taking over Berbatov's spot and our last remaining spare slot (I think).
So any hopes of us adding to our midfield looks slim unless we're clearing some players.
Two of Blackburn, Wigan and Bolton are likely to go down. Not that many options around Manchester are going to be left.
A good mid table club with a good manager. I wonder if Swansea or Norwich would be interested. I don't really know about their full back options though
Maybe even West Brom. Sir Alex seems to like Woy
Wouldn't mind him making the step down to the Championship if he needs to. He can learn some defensive discipline, his attacking qualities we all know it's his defensive qualities that need to be further improved.
I only looked at Wikipedia, so the info may be wrong
But it looks like De Laet is registered in our squad. The futures of Park, Anderson, Scholes
, and Giggs are not certain. If Fabio goes on loan, we could have 2 or 3 open slotsI guess that's possible. I'd still prefer if he stayed in the PL. It's amazing to think that a player who started a CL final a year ago would be plying his trade in the Championship next year.
We have Kuszhack on our list too, so De Gea would take that. We'll most likely send Ben Amos out on loan since he'll need to take up a spot, and I don;t think we'll put 3 goalkeepers in the squad, when he's unlikely going to play more than 5 games in the league.I only looked at Wikipedia, so the info may be wrong
But it looks like De Laet is registered in our squad. The futures of Park, Anderson, Scholes
Edit: Talent has never been a question with the twins, it's always been whether they're fit enough to get games. Rafael has been lucky enough to come when Neville is winding down, Fabio has Evra, even when off form now still one of the top few leftbacks in the world.
From the official site, it appears Owen, Gibson, Diouf, PIG, and Macheda's were all registered in our squad.
Edit: just read an article where they said they live together in Manchester with their family. It seems they have rarely been apart.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-for-20m-plus-Fabio-and-Federico-Macheda.html
And so my march towards a more suitable tag line begins. This is just the first step on my journey towards vindication.
So we're just going to have Evra and Rafael as the only two people in our squad who can play at fullback?
Can't see anything going wrong there at all.
Instead of sending him on loan why not just play him more often? Instead of forcing Evra to play every minute of every game, or using centrebacks at fullback whenever Rafael gets injured?
Can't see anything going wrong there at all.
Instead of sending him on loan why not just play him more often? Instead of forcing Evra to play every minute of every game, or using centrebacks at fullback whenever Rafael gets injured?
I'm guessing that Nathaniel Clyne who can play right/left back will also be used quite often. Obviously it's all rumors right now but I get a feeling that Clyne is already signed with us.
Fabio
So he has played already over 50 games for us and has started a Champions League final against Barca 11 months ago but now he needs a loan move for his future career at Old Trafford..........football is sometimes wierd.
The press says Benfica wants him...........i've heard Sporting are the more likely option.
Evra and the left-back position
Evra has no competition for his place since a couple of years.......that's a major reason why he isn't so good anymore.
We're needing 100% a new LB for the next season.
2012-2013 defenders
RB: Rafael, ??Clyne!!
CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling, Jones
LB: Evra, ?????
Loan: Fabio, Fryers (If he signs the contract)
Fryers should go on loan next season.
So he has played already over 50 games for us and has started a Champions League final against Barca 11 months ago but now he needs a loan move for his future career at Old Trafford..........football is sometimes wierd.
The press says Benfica wants him...........i've heard Sporting are the more likely option.
Evra and the left-back position
Evra has no competition for his place since a couple of years.......that's a major reason why he isn't so good anymore.
We're needing 100% a new LB for the next season.
2012-2013 defenders
RB: Rafael, ??Clyne!!
CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling, Jones
LB: Evra, ?????
Loan: Fabio, Fryers (If he signs the contract)
Both aren't ready for first-team for Manchester United.
Fryers should go on loan next season.
According to a lot of Crystal Palace fans......Clyne to us is a done deal.
They're doing everything together..........it will be a big test for both (unless he goes to a club not far away from Manchester).
That's true.
Exactly. When Rafael is out I'd prefer to play Fabio there as he has played there for us before (quite a few times last season in fact) and I thought he did a good job. There have been some games Evra has played - both this season and last - when Fabio was fit and I wonder why he's been chosen to start instead of Fabio. Give Evra a rest once in a while.
Hmmmm this is not always the best course of action. Absolutely vital he doesn't go to a piss-taking club.
Evra's been burnt out since before the end of last season, while every other player in the squad seems to require about 3 people as back up, despite most of them being younger than Evra. I really don't understand it. Even if he has amazing stamina it wouldn't do any harm to rest him for the odd game.
It's not like Fabio's useless. He's also a better right sided fullback than eitherJones or Smalling. He was good enough to start the Champions League final there less than a year ago. Why send him out on loan when we would be better off as a team by playing him?
Yep. It doesn't make sense, though with the Gaitan and Clyne rumours it does make a bit more sense. I'd still prefer that we keep him and play him more rather than send him on loan - especially if it is to another country like Benfica. I'd prefer to loan him to a Premier League club.
I'd prefer him to get some games here and give Evra some competition
You're all forgetting Ritchie de Laet, he can play LB
I don't know who Clyne is. There's nothing wrong or not good enough about Fabio. Spending money on someone else and then sending him on loan just makes it make even less sense.
It's like doing your weekly shopping twice just so you can toss the first lot in the bin.
Nathaniel Clyne is a right back for Crystal Palace who has played left back a few times - usually when he's played for England. If it does happen then it might be better than bringing in a specialised left back as it would be another person blocking Fabio's route into the first team. If we do get Clyne then I can see him being a direct back up for Rafael but also has a chance of playing on the left when we want to give Evra a rest - which is seemingly not that often. I'd much prefer to keep hold of Fabio who is a left back than do that but when the alternative is bringing in another specialised left back I'd prefer the option where we bring in Clyne and when Fabio does return he may have a greater chance of playing more and making a case for that left back spot - which I think he can do and has done already. Like you say it's not that he's not good enough, for some reason Fergie prefers to play Evra every minute.
Nice analogy.
Rafael and Fabio both are among the most promising young full backs in the world and should really be playing football a lot at the top level now. Rafael is, but Fabio maybe doesn't quite get as much time because of Evra. I'm just worried this is going to lead to Fabio leaving - we should really be giving him more game time as the only better option is him going to one of the very few other top European clubs on loan.
People are talking about giving Fabio some games instead of Evra or when Rafael is injured. I'm sure Fergie planned that as well THIS SEASON, but it just hasn't happened. Between Fabio's injuries and our rather quick exists from cup competitions and clearing of the schedule, meaning that as the season went on (and that's when Fabio was fit) there was less and less reason to rest Evra and every reason to start him rather than make changes in the back four during the title run in.
It'll be easy to figure out that it'll just happen next season, but it might not. And then we've got a great talent whose career has stalled. It takes a brave decision to loan him out, but it's the right one and Fergie usually does that when he feels he just cannot be certain a young player will get enough games with us. We've seen in the past how he avoided recalling players who were loaned out just to fill in for a while, knowing that when injured players are back, the young ones will be stuck in reserves again.
It's the right move. I've no idea how we plan to handle it next season with another left back, but it's the best way to give Fabio a chance to make it at the top level.
It'll be easy to figure out that it'll just happen next season, but it might not. And then we've got a great talent whose career has stalled. It takes a brave decision to loan him out, but it's the right one and Fergie usually does that when he feels he just cannot be certain a young player will get enough games with us. We've seen in the past how he avoided recalling players who were loaned out just to fill in for a while, knowing that when injured players are back, the young ones will be stuck in reserves again.
It's the right move. I've no idea how we plan to handle it next season with another left back, but it's the best way to give Fabio a chance to make it at the top level.
I was about to flip a shit but then read it was a loan.
Don't get me wrong, a loan might work out fine, he needs a run of games to realize his potential.
But I'm with noodles, we've had every chance to give Fabio a lot of game time this season, and he's not really performed poorly when he's got the chance.
But I'm with noodles, we've had every chance to give Fabio a lot of game time this season, and he's not really performed poorly when he's got the chance.
Between his injuries, Jones's fantastic form at right back early on in the season, the early exists from cup competitions and the fact that Evra's experience in a sometimes very young back four meant it was always hard to drop him, I just don't agree.
Anyhow, the bottom line remains. The season is ending, we haven't given him a lot of game time and we're not willing to risk it happening again, for the sake of both the lad and the team long term. What's the problem here?
The fact that we're not going to have any full-back cover next season, despite the fact that we have a perfectly adequate full-back, who we, for some reason or another, refuse to play? I think that's the problem really.
Evra's not performed well enough for him to be untouchable these last two seasons, and Rafael's been injured quite a lot. And Jones has never been in "fantastic" form at RB, he was quite good with a lot of gung-ho stuff early on in the season. Fabio is by far the better full-back. That goes for Smalling as well.
If Vidic didn't get injured, Evra would probably be rested more often and Fabio would play more.
Unfortunately for him, Vidic got injured and Smalling/Jones played at RB when Rafael was out because Fabio wasn't fit.
Unfortunately for him, Vidic got injured and Smalling/Jones played at RB when Rafael was out because Fabio wasn't fit.
Fergie's treatment of Fabio is inexplicable. What part of 'identical twin' does he not understand?
Are you saying since they are identical twins, they'd have identical ability?
Fabio has unfortunately had more injuries which has hampered his development on top of fighting for a spot against a player who for last several years was one of the best in the world in his position.
Strange comment to say the least.
I am positive about this deal. Evra has been showing signs of decline for quite some time, so sending Fabio on loan to gain the experience needed to become a United first teamer is ideal. However, we still need to think about getting some cover for the left back role, someone who can cover Evra for the time being and compete with Fabio once his return.
Dont think he was serious there Shimo.
Problem with sticking Fabio on loan is that we know he'll get injured early and often - which is something we're more likely to be okay with than a loaning team that need him to perform consistently.
Personally if he does go on loan, I see him getting re-discovered as a wide midfield player at a midtable club. He has more ability than most who play there for those types of teams, and will contribute more up the field.
Personally if he does go on loan, I see him getting re-discovered as a wide midfield player at a midtable club. He has more ability than most who play there for those types of teams, and will contribute more up the field.
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Just saw that article. I can't be dealing with letting Fabio go. That's just unacceptable in my head.
Can't we just play Evra in the biggest games, games against top 6 and the Champions League games. If Fabio is fit enough to go on a season long loan deal then why can't he get first team football?
Evra could use a break, Fabio could use games. If we get 5% less points next year because of it, hopefully we will get 5% more points the year after.
Evra could use a break, Fabio could use games. If we get 5% less points next year because of it, hopefully we will get 5% more points the year after.
Yep. The outcome of tests of physical and mental attributes, done on identical twins reared together, are equivalent to the results of the same person taking the tests at different times. As expected, since the 2 significant causes of variation - genetics and environment - do not differ.
Fab and Raf are essentially the same person, raised in the same house, and getting the same football education. Their football experience has diverged slightly in recent years, but they should have exactly the same potential.
We'll have to see what we do about left back cover for next season. I'm sure we've got some idea and we're not just going to let it stay as it is, with no real backup for Evra. If Benfica give Fabio a full season of football, we'll reap the benefits eventually. Better than risk another partial season at best at United.
Evra has not been brilliant, but with question marks over goalkeeper and constant changes at centerhalf and right back, left back was the one position we had stability with. It was important. I actually do think Jones was fantastic at right back and yes, his ability going forward was part of it and remained far after our gung-ho approach disappeared in mid-March.
Oh you were being serious. Reality is identical twins don't necessarily pan out exactly the same because life isn't identical. In fact when they arrived here the thought was their lives in football so far had Fabio as the one with the more potential.
Nonetheless your questioning of SAF's ability to understand that they are identical twins and thus have the same ability and as such his treatment of Fabio is absurd doesn't make sense. If anything it's him recognizing he has a player with a lot of ability but, the only way to get him to improve is for him to get games, a lot of games, and that will require a loan spell.
Although I have no idea of Benfica's transfer plans in the summer, this loan move looks as bad as Macheda to QPR. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't loan moves made to get the player plenty of playing time? Benfica already have Capdevilla and Perriera as fullbacks, plus they have the wonderful knack of producing good young South American talent, whom they'd be more obliged to develop than someone on loan.
If we sign Nathaniel Clyne, that is all well and good, but shouldn't he be the one going on loan considering he's never played at this level before, instead of a player who's played in a Champions League final?
If we sign Nathaniel Clyne, that is all well and good, but shouldn't he be the one going on loan considering he's never played at this level before, instead of a player who's played in a Champions League final?
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