Thought he was decent today. Always performs v Arsenal.
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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I hope he stays. He can drive you mad at times but he's streets ahead of Valencia.
Had a solid game today, certainly put in the best crosses of our wide men. Not sure why he came off, he still looked full of running.
I hope signs a contract and gets back to the form and fitness we saw a season or two ago. He can be infuriating at times, but on form and in full flight he's a joy to watch. Beats players with ease.
I think he was looking a bit tired. Hope to see him against Chelsea.
It's a shame the end of the season is fast approaching and he hasn't played as much games as i'd like. With so little game time recently he did show some pretty good wing play today.
Ekeke.
Would love him to sort out the contract issue and stay. We're going to end up selling him for peanuts annoyingly aren't we?
Second half him and Rooney were involved in most of the chances we created.
Second half him and Rooney were involved in most of the chances we created.
He'd be a very good signing for a team like Spurs. Maybe a swap deal could be arranged?
He'd be a very good signing for most teams.He'd be a very good signing for a team like Spurs. Maybe a swap deal could be arranged?
We definitely lose some entertainment value by selling him, which is a shame considering how static and boring we've looked quite a few times this season - despite the wins.
Has he played a full 90 in the league this year? I thought he done well yesterday. He certainly didn't want to come off, and I'm sure most people thought it should have been Tony V making way.
QPR away, Spurs at home and Wigan at home.
Not enough really. Certainly in recent week should've featured more but considering most believe he's half way out the exit door, you can see why he's barely involved.
he looked pretty determined to do well yesterday, plus looking disappointing to being substituted with ten mins to go, it didn't give any indication of him leaving or wanting to leave united.
He certainly is a model professorial anyway. Works hard for his chance and never talks dung to the media about lack of game time etc.
We could keep Nani as a squad man behind Bale and Valencia. Young, however, would have to pack his bags.
I can't help but feel when we're looking at wingers to sign, that a player like Nani would be ideal to bring in, yet we're looking to sell him instead of showing some faith. He'll be a great player for whoever gets him.
Nani has the ability to be the best of all those you've named, and he was the best between January 2010 and the end of 2011. As it is, Bale's better then him but he's still way more talented than the other two.
Nani lacks something that Bale has in abundance. The ancient Greeks had a word which has no direct translation in English -- thumos. You can take it to mean spiritedness or, possibly, manliness.
Nani is a more gifted athlete than Bale. Nani has more tools in his locker. But his head is his worst enemy. He spends far too much time fukking around and whining about calls not going his way. Bale just gets it done. If you could Bale's head and heart into Nani's body you'd have a player approaching the genius of Ronaldo. As it is, we have Nani, a footballer who will likely be dumped for 15m.
Wow. What bollocks.
Even yesterday, not playing regularly and probably with quite a lot of pressure to perform, he looks so much better than Valencia or Young. When Nani gets the ball you at least know that he may try to attack and take his man on - something you don't get whatsoever with the others. I no longer get excited when Valencia gets the ball because it never amounts to anything more than just a short pass back inside or down to the RB.
We don't know what's going on contract-wise, but he deserves to be on at least as much as Young or anyone else in the team barring RVP and Rooney.
I reiterate my previous post that if we do sell Nani and he gets regular game time at his new club, we will be made to look rather foolish for letting him go.
We don't know what's going on contract-wise, but he deserves to be on at least as much as Young or anyone else in the team barring RVP and Rooney.
I reiterate my previous post that if we do sell Nani and he gets regular game time at his new club, we will be made to look rather foolish for letting him go.
Nani is by a large margin our winger and he should be the first player on the team sheet. He has no competition for his role and still doesn't get starts, terrible.
Maybe Nani should be asking himself why that is.
It's funny reading this thread how Nani is apparently the victim.
If I was Nani I'd be asking myself why players with less ability repeatedly get selected ahead of me.
I was surprised when he was taken off ahead of Valencia yesterday. Valencia was probably more involved than Nani but Nani looked miles more dangerous with the ball.
Valencia's delivery was fecking gash and most of the time he had absolutely no excuse.
The only reason is that he has not yet signed a new contract.
I've been an admirer of Nani's talents for awhile and I thought he was genuinely one of the league's top players for a year and a half or so, but it's gone pear shaped for him since, and badly. Niggling injuries haven't helped, but you can't help but feel it's him who hasn't kicked on from that. Even though he seems to be better than our other wingers everytime he plays, it's largely because our expectations from our wide players has sunk so low. He's still got quality but it just doesn't seem to be coming from him regularly. The intensity too just seems very low. Him not getting games could be a reason but then again I don't see why Fergie would shut him out for no reason. He musnt be impressed with the effort levels Nani is putting in or something.
All in all, he needs to buckle up soon if he doesn't want to waste his immense talent. With Valencia's bad form for me it isn't as big a deal because he never had anywhere near the same potential. Same with young. Nani should be in the top tier instead of struggling for game time.
All in all, he needs to buckle up soon if he doesn't want to waste his immense talent. With Valencia's bad form for me it isn't as big a deal because he never had anywhere near the same potential. Same with young. Nani should be in the top tier instead of struggling for game time.
The wingers were so-so but 4-4-2 tut tut...let's not play that formation any more, please?
I should have included that reason in my last post as a possible reason. Yes, it could be a reason for him getting less game time but it works the other way round too. If he was performing at the level he can, I doubt Fergie would hesitate in offering him what he wants. Also, didn't his indifferent form start before the contract issues?
Was that the reason last season too?
What a load of rubbish.
He made more appearances than both Young and Valencia last season overall, it was only really after the awful performance against City he was flat out dropped, usually before that it was due to injuries.
It really is depressing how much better he is than our other wingers.
Should have had 2 assists yesterday.
Should have had 2 assists yesterday.
A point which seems to keep getting missed by so many people who can't seem to praise Nani without slagging off the other two wingers. If he isn't playing well enough to get ahead of two players that are allegedly so shite as Valencia and Young, what does that say about Nani?
Another point that keeps getting missed is the fact that Fergie doesn't just pick teams based on what happened the last time we played a match. He works with the players, day in, day out, in training. In a season where Nani is in and out of the team and playing poorly when he does get his chance, then chances are he's not performing in training either. When he has got opportunities, it's probably on the basis of looking better on the training pitch. Interesting that he seems to have taken his thumb out of his arse in the build up to our biggest game of the season. Shame he didn't put in more performances like he did against Madrid, during matches and during training. If he had, there's absolutely no doubt he'd have played a lot more games this season. Probably also have got the contract he wanted too.
He's not "much better" than an on form Valencia, I don't know why people go so overboard when one is playing poorly and then the other plays well. If the situation was reversed I'm sure someone would say similar about Valencia.
On their day, they're both top class wingers and in an ideal world, for me, we'd have both here next season back to their best, which unfortunately is very unlikely due to his contract situation.
It is a fair point even though I'd like to add that it only highlights the players, Nani in this case, flaws and faults. Another POV that is interesting to take is that Ferguson could also be blamed for managing Nani poorly.
Not saying he has done so in a bad way or not, just an obvious possibility and view on things. If a player suddenly plays well the manager often gets the praise for it so it is just that when a player with bags of talent suddenly loses interest the manager needs to get a neg.
Of course the reality is that they are both at fault in one way or another and we will probably not know what is going on until one of them quits the team.
The problem with Valencia is that he has not just lost form, he has lost skill. Form is not something that lasts for 12 months and even Valencias best performances of this year was far worse than his average performances the previous year.
Valencia has lost the skill he used to have, the question is if he can regain it. Nani has all the skill he always had - some games he carries us, some games he is invisible.
So it is fair to say that Nani is way better at this point as Valencia lost his skill.
Valencia hasn't lost his skill, he's lost his confidence.
But this is not the thread for such things.
But this is not the thread for such things.
Valencia isn't a winger, or something?
He has played as a regular all season and hasn't regained his skill nor been anywhere near. That is a loss in skill, which may be from confidence/fitness/mental reasons.
Form is maybe a month, couple of months if you don't get to play through it not years. Lack of form is not something you have for a year.
We can then switch it around and say his good year was "outstanding form" and now he is back to normal. As you see how stupid of a discussion that would turn out to be you realize it is equally stupid the other way around.
If he regains his ability it will be the skill he got back by getting confidence/slightly more fit/solving mental issues.
I won't go into a debate about Valencia in this thread, we have a Valencia thread for that, I just strongly disagree that he's somehow lost his skill.
This form/skill dichotomy is one of the weirdest concepts I've read on here since scholesy was in his prime. But yeah, it's also off topic.
"Definition of form: b. Fitness, as of an athlete or animal, with regard to health or training."
"Definition of fitness: The condition of being physically fit and healthy."
Is he physically fit and healthy? Then he has lost skill. If you consider his reasons of being poor that he lacks the physical form he once had then you are fully right saying "he lost form.".
However if he can't perform because he hasn't had confidence in 12 months then that is a decline in skill which he needs and can regain.
Interesting is looking at "form table" of different clubs, you will see that it only includes 5-10 matches and never the entire season. The season result is showed in a league table not a "form table".
Also another related definition of form; c. The past performance of a racehorse.
Put it this way - I think if United finished 10th next season we wouldn't be saying our team has just had a temporary loss of form, we'd have much bigger problems.
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