"Pony" - gonna start using that term
Smashley Young
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It was an obvious tongue in cheek comment. The winking dude normally gives that away. I think on the matter of Young you are very very blinkered though. I've played football all my life and I've done some coaching badges too.
He beats his man constantly too btw, sadly what he does then is the problem.
Both examples were pathetic.What an utterly bizarre choice of goal to try and blame Young for
Going to have to agree to disagree. I like consistant production out of my wingers call me old fashioned.
I'm not blaming him for the goal or the city goal, but it's getting a bit lazy saying he "gets back and defends" he picks and chooses when he gets back and defends, it's not part of his package as people like to pretend it is.. That first Chelsea goal came from the right hand side, was Young anywhere to be seen helping out Evra? Nope.What an utterly bizarre choice of goal to try and blame Young for
Navas ran riot down our left hand side earlier in the season and Young just stood in this box with his back hunched and hands on hips, doing feck all.
And how many times have we seen Evra exposed one on one against wingers, mainly because Ashley Young continually makes a piss poor attempt at defensively assisting his full back.
You're right too!
I couldn't even bring myself to watch the clip at first because I didn't want to watch anything from that game, but fecking hell I just forced myself and it's mind-boggling to blame Young for that goal
I said he wold make a good squad player. I don't know too many sides with a squad player winger who provides constant production.
Mate, come on now. Seriously. Just...no.
You're right too!
I couldn't even bring myself to watch the clip at first because I didn't want to watch anything from that game, but fecking hell I just forced myself and it's mind-boggling to blame Young for that goal
I'm not blaming him for the goal, you're not looking at it in the right context, I brought it up because someone stated Young makes an effort to track back defensively. Those two clips show the opposite. That doesnt mean Im blaming him for the goal, Im just saying "Look he's not tracking back".
He's part of the reason we got in this mess. He played well today, hopefully bucking his ideas up realising he'll have to play quite well to get into the team now with Mata arriving
I'm with Rams on this one. Young has been on easy-street just pickin up his huge wages & not giving a feck about earning it. There's been an upsurge in his form recently though, which is great, but is that because he wants to make the England squad for World Cup?
World Cup year always ups a players game - should do anyway, but they owe their employers a committed attitude all the time. Young hasnt done that in my opinion, but he's lookin hungry & its great to see a player of ours desperate to get on the ball all the time. If he can keep this up, then i'll change my mind on him whether he's still on easy-street. We need hungry players for the team - like we have with Rooney this term.
Its difficult to comment on the rest of the squad without losing the rag, but most of them have been a complete disgrace & are not fit to wear the shirt. No respect for the club, nor the privilege of playin football for a living & being handsomely paid for it too. A question i'd like to ask said disgraces is - "do you actually watch football?..", "what was the last game you watched?.."....
From what i hear, much of the modern footballers dont even watch football anymore because all they care about is gettin the dosh. It should be more than a job to these guys...
World Cup year always ups a players game - should do anyway, but they owe their employers a committed attitude all the time. Young hasnt done that in my opinion, but he's lookin hungry & its great to see a player of ours desperate to get on the ball all the time. If he can keep this up, then i'll change my mind on him whether he's still on easy-street. We need hungry players for the team - like we have with Rooney this term.
Its difficult to comment on the rest of the squad without losing the rag, but most of them have been a complete disgrace & are not fit to wear the shirt. No respect for the club, nor the privilege of playin football for a living & being handsomely paid for it too. A question i'd like to ask said disgraces is - "do you actually watch football?..", "what was the last game you watched?.."....
From what i hear, much of the modern footballers dont even watch football anymore because all they care about is gettin the dosh. It should be more than a job to these guys...
He was good - very good in fact, especially in the second half where he looked really threatening, and rounded it off with a screamer.
He might be playing for a World Cup place, he might just be playing for a place in our first XI... so long as he performs to a decent level consistantly until the end of the season I won't mind too much. If he starts slacking again next season, then I'll be the first to be annoyed.
He might be playing for a World Cup place, he might just be playing for a place in our first XI... so long as he performs to a decent level consistantly until the end of the season I won't mind too much. If he starts slacking again next season, then I'll be the first to be annoyed.
The thing with Young is that he is nowhere near as bad as some on here would make you believe.
He is a more than useful addition to the squad.
He is a more than useful addition to the squad.
If Young actually changed his name via deed poll to Smashley Young he'd be the first name on my team sheet every week.
If he can maintain his recent form for a consistent amount of time he'd be fine as a squad player. As long as Moyes doesn't think he's ever going to be good enough to he a starting regular, which I don't think he does...
If Young actually changed his name to Luis Antonio Valencia he'd be the first name on Moyes' team sheet too.
Sometimes. Sometimes he's nowhere near as bad as some on here make out.
I agree that he shouldn't be a regular starter, but i think some on here are far too harsh on him. Could be the diving.
The being invisible for 8 performances out of 10 might have something to do with it too
Well, its clear what your view is, i will stand by mine that he is more than a decent addition to the squad.
None of our wingers have been consistent for a while now.
Didn't see the whole game, so can't comment on that. But cracking strike from Young. Really good goal
Would be interesting to see Young actually get a game on his stronger side. From the left yes he does get to cut in and shoot like today but, as a winger that has a very good delivery, he might actually give us more from the right.
A number of times I noticed when he got the ball with his back to goal, he kinds of had the option to go back outside perhaps to his left but, didn't and ended up going back away from the defender.
I thought he had a pretty good game overall, shaded it over Valencia not counting the goal.
A number of times I noticed when he got the ball with his back to goal, he kinds of had the option to go back outside perhaps to his left but, didn't and ended up going back away from the defender.
I thought he had a pretty good game overall, shaded it over Valencia not counting the goal.
Good cross, brilliant goal. Other than that, he was rather dire
Did well last night.
I still feel he is short of the quality required for a first choice wide man. He is probably sufficient Asa squad player but he is meant to be at his peak now, and with the wages he is supposedly on, I would expect a lot more.
I still feel he is short of the quality required for a first choice wide man. He is probably sufficient Asa squad player but he is meant to be at his peak now, and with the wages he is supposedly on, I would expect a lot more.
I think if we are prepared to criticise a player like Young as we do, and I've been as critical as anyone, then we need to be prepared to give him credit where it's due and I thought he played well last night. Good cross to Valencia, good goal, good recovery in the box with what would have been a near certain goal. He's scored a few recently and his confidence is picking up. Fair play.
I think any praise he gets needs context though, the performances he is putting in is what I think a United's players lower level should be rather than what seems to be something of a run of form for Young. If we haven't got a too class winger in next season and he's not demoted to the bench we are in trouble.
I think any praise he gets needs context though, the performances he is putting in is what I think a United's players lower level should be rather than what seems to be something of a run of form for Young. If we haven't got a too class winger in next season and he's not demoted to the bench we are in trouble.
It's from cockney rhyming slang. Pony and trap = crap"Pony" - gonna start using that term
But Young is consistant. Consistanly average, with one or two moments like his quality goal last night each half a season.
Makes it even more of a shame in my opinion, due to the fact he's clearly got the ability.
No he wasn't. He was very good last night.
Sort of. He has the ability to put in a good cross, and the ability to score a really nice goal yes... But thats the same of tens of wingers in the league.
The problem with Young in my opinion is he's far too happy to just pass the ball in a limited manner and do the basics like forcing corners, helping the team a bit but ultimately letting our best players win the match for us while he just does a job on the left.
In his first half a season at the club he wanted to be one of those players who made the difference, thats why he was getting lots of shots away and showing that he could score some quality goals. Sometimes several in the same match. He came back from his injury and he wasnt even trying to do that same thing. Up until he smashed that one in what a month or so ago? He just didnt have any goalthreat. For him to play as much as he did last season and not have some goals to show for it pretty much tells the story. But its very positive for him personally that he's finding his goalscoring touch again because without it, he certainly wasnt good enough
@Ekeke
Agree with a lot of that, I'd add that it's a shame he didn't start his career as a CAM as I feel how direct he can sometimes look to be counts against him, Manchester United tend to use wingers for assisting, not that we discourage them from scoring, but I'll find quite often Young will look for the shot, at least Valencia tried to assist a striker, the quality of the ball may be lacking but for me Young isn't the type of winger we need, unless we play with Valencia on the other wing. I can imagine if all wingers are fit that Nani would be our first choice, hence if he's played on the right, Young can't play the LW for me, they are both quite direct with one being inferior to the other IMO.
Agree with a lot of that, I'd add that it's a shame he didn't start his career as a CAM as I feel how direct he can sometimes look to be counts against him, Manchester United tend to use wingers for assisting, not that we discourage them from scoring, but I'll find quite often Young will look for the shot, at least Valencia tried to assist a striker, the quality of the ball may be lacking but for me Young isn't the type of winger we need, unless we play with Valencia on the other wing. I can imagine if all wingers are fit that Nani would be our first choice, hence if he's played on the right, Young can't play the LW for me, they are both quite direct with one being inferior to the other IMO.
I'm really not sure because while Young will most often take any oppertunity to pass to a teammate or play a ball down the line, his passing range is really limited. Just because he's fond of and keen to do it doesn't mean he has the vision and consistancy to pass the ball well enough to be a genuine option as a CAM at a club like United.
What summed it up for me yesterday was when Young was on the left hand side, he saw RVP make a nice run for him into the space down the line so Young moved the ball towards the line and tried to toe poke it with his right foot down the line for RVP. He wasn't closed down that well but it skewed off the end of Young's toe straight out for a throw in only for Young and RVP to have a moment where they were perplexed that it didnt work out. It was a decent idea that would given us decent progress up the pitch but Young didnt quite have the technique to execute what he wanted to do.
While he might like to find a pass and oftentimes, at least when he passes the ball forward instead of back, those passes to make us a few yards up the pitch or get a throw in or corner, its not like he's trying defence splitting passes and not quite getting the weight right ala Mata, Januzaj, even Nani. These are fairly simple passes with limited progress even if they are done perfectly. And today's wingers and AM's could make ones that Young skews off into a ballboy in their sleep. He just realises that his simple passing can still get us going forward, but relies a bit much on those fairly average passing moves and not enough on his own ability to drive towards the goal and put the ball in the net. Its not like he's 50/50 between using a teammate and trying to get his shot away himself, until this point its more like 80/20 in favour of passing the ball. If he's going to be cutting onto his right foot and having really nice shots and contributing a a goal every couple of months suddenly he's a miles better option. But to do that he's going to have to continue upping his shots per game average, which currently sits between Tom Cleverley and Darren Fletcher at 13th highest shots per game so far this season. The goals will surely, hopefully, give him the confidence to do that again
What summed it up for me yesterday was when Young was on the left hand side, he saw RVP make a nice run for him into the space down the line so Young moved the ball towards the line and tried to toe poke it with his right foot down the line for RVP. He wasn't closed down that well but it skewed off the end of Young's toe straight out for a throw in only for Young and RVP to have a moment where they were perplexed that it didnt work out. It was a decent idea that would given us decent progress up the pitch but Young didnt quite have the technique to execute what he wanted to do.
While he might like to find a pass and oftentimes, at least when he passes the ball forward instead of back, those passes to make us a few yards up the pitch or get a throw in or corner, its not like he's trying defence splitting passes and not quite getting the weight right ala Mata, Januzaj, even Nani. These are fairly simple passes with limited progress even if they are done perfectly. And today's wingers and AM's could make ones that Young skews off into a ballboy in their sleep. He just realises that his simple passing can still get us going forward, but relies a bit much on those fairly average passing moves and not enough on his own ability to drive towards the goal and put the ball in the net. Its not like he's 50/50 between using a teammate and trying to get his shot away himself, until this point its more like 80/20 in favour of passing the ball. If he's going to be cutting onto his right foot and having really nice shots and contributing a a goal every couple of months suddenly he's a miles better option. But to do that he's going to have to continue upping his shots per game average, which currently sits between Tom Cleverley and Darren Fletcher at 13th highest shots per game so far this season. The goals will surely, hopefully, give him the confidence to do that again
One more thing - Young is steering himself towards good form and scoring goals again. There's another way to look at it. Is Young ever going to be more valuable than now and get us more of the money we paid for him? No. Now would be the right time for him to get a decent move to the teams just below us in the league. A Newcastle, Southampton, Swansea or... Villa and have a good final stage to his career
He wasn't dire though, that's just daft. Had a lot of good interplay with Evra and made a fair few threatening runs.
Imagine if say, Mata had the game he had yesterday... we'd be falling over ourselves in adoration.
I could be wrong, but I always think about him as the sort of player who is on such high wages that the teams who would actually be interested in him wouldn't be able to afford him without it being a relatively low fee/there being some contribution or concession on wages.
He's too streaky a player and has never managed to get any sort of consistency in his performances with us. He usually follows up the odd decent game with loads of poor performances, leading to him getting dropped.
Hopefully his goal will have earned him an extended run in the side. Nothing better than seeing Young and Valencia lined up on your wings.
Except maybe Kagawa.
Except maybe Kagawa.
Was decent last night. Not brilliant but certainlty not his usual tumescent display.
Hopefully fighting to keep the sqaud place and not be booted out alongside 'Andow'.
Hopefully fighting to keep the sqaud place and not be booted out alongside 'Andow'.