Its not the toughest job in football. Real Madrid's manager is the toughest job in football. Managers are in constant scrutiny and if the manager fails to deliver he certainly wont get standing ovations.
Moyes So Far!
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The actual saying is "give a man enough rope" this tenure won't end well at all.[/QUOTE]
A lot of Moyes hate right now but surely the fact that we have a hard working manager is surely enough to satisfy people? Or perhaps the fact that he lost the dressing room around Christmas (IMO) is probably a big downfall for him right now.
Smalling at RB and Jones at CB was stupid.
Welbeck or Valencia should have started.
Welbeck or Valencia should have started.
Something I've noticed again in this match and I only mention it in case others have noticed it I'm not 100% sure what it means if anything. It's moyes' tactics regarding substitutions.
So many games this season, particularly when we are losing and often when we have started with a 4231. At 60-65 mins he makes a sub, usually an attacking choice, I.e hernandez or welbeck on for a midfielder and we reshape to something more akin to 442 with two out and out strikers. Fair enough, we need a goal we get someone on to do that. But always, 10 mins later at 75 mins when we havent scored we bring on someone else attacking (I.e januzaj or welbeck etc) and we reshape again to a 4231 (usually rooney having to drop deeper or out wide).
It just seems strange to change shape just for ten mins or so to only change it back 10 mins later. Whats the reasoning behind this? Is it that the player being brought on is more important than the shape? Is it indecision?
I would argue its indecision if only happened once or twice but this exact thing has happened at least 10-15 times this season that I've noticed.
Anyone else notice this?
So many games this season, particularly when we are losing and often when we have started with a 4231. At 60-65 mins he makes a sub, usually an attacking choice, I.e hernandez or welbeck on for a midfielder and we reshape to something more akin to 442 with two out and out strikers. Fair enough, we need a goal we get someone on to do that. But always, 10 mins later at 75 mins when we havent scored we bring on someone else attacking (I.e januzaj or welbeck etc) and we reshape again to a 4231 (usually rooney having to drop deeper or out wide).
It just seems strange to change shape just for ten mins or so to only change it back 10 mins later. Whats the reasoning behind this? Is it that the player being brought on is more important than the shape? Is it indecision?
I would argue its indecision if only happened once or twice but this exact thing has happened at least 10-15 times this season that I've noticed.
Anyone else notice this?
We need to get the white hankies out like the Madrid fans
I do. Hopefully it'll be Exeter and Yeovil.
Lol
I know that, I'm just replying to another poster that spits Rooney hate in every post.
Getting outclassed and given a footballing lesson by Everton.
11 premier league losses this season. eleven.
Real Madrid fans would have ripped him a new one. United fans have been very patient with Dave. However if they still stick to him then it will be bordering to the ridiculous
He's getting sacked
Time for a rant...
Moyes has blamed the players and squad depth but it starts with his tactics. They've been dreadful all season, our record against the top-6 is an embarrassment. Crystal Palace have more wins against the top-6 teams than we do!!
Our self-belief and confidence has been completely killed. Before we could be 0-2 down and still believe we van get a result, now we go 1 goal down and I expect defeat. The players were champions 1 season ago, to go from that to 7th can't entirely be their fault. It must come down to the training, tactics, confidence and mentality. We look scared and confused as to what to do in the final-third, and there is no creativity. When you have Mata, Kagawa, Nani, Januzaj, Rooney & RVP in the squad, there can be no excuses for the lack of creativity. Plus, this season we look far more defensively inept than I can remember. Moyes is meant to be a defensive genius, what's happened to that??
From the rumours, only Rooney looks happy playing for Moyes. Players who otherwise enjoy their football, or rarely speak out, look disgruntled. It's fine accepting some players are not good enough and should be sold, but other than DDG, has anyone else consistently demonstrated they deserve to be here long-term? The players levels may have dropped off, but it's up to the manager to get them to play better. Moyes seems happier blaming the lack of quality than taking responsibility and bringing the best out of players. Great managers can get an extra 20% performance from average players, they can make the good look great. Moyes has made the good players look distinctly average this season.
Then there is Moyes' own mentality. He's not cut out to be United manager. Saying things like "we'll try to win" or claiming City & Liverpool are favourites when we play at OT is unacceptable. Making comments like "we aspire to be at City's level" are pathetic. He is not brave enough to manage the expectations at this club, for him making it difficult for the opponents is an achievement. He has shown this season his mentality and tactical awareness is just not good enough.
Moyes has had long enough to prove himself and show progression. He's not shown anything which warrants him getting more time. He looks as clueless today as he did when he started the job. The fans have been patient enough but this righteousness that 'we're Man Utd we don't sack managers' needs to end. He's doing more and more harm to this club each passing week and, at the end of the day, we need to do what's best for the club and not fecking David Moyes. He's a good man, but if it needs OT to boo him to get the owners attention then so be it.
This result surely should be the final nail in the coffin. But, despite my hope, I can see him being given more time when he clearly doesn't deserve it.
Moyes has blamed the players and squad depth but it starts with his tactics. They've been dreadful all season, our record against the top-6 is an embarrassment. Crystal Palace have more wins against the top-6 teams than we do!!
Our self-belief and confidence has been completely killed. Before we could be 0-2 down and still believe we van get a result, now we go 1 goal down and I expect defeat. The players were champions 1 season ago, to go from that to 7th can't entirely be their fault. It must come down to the training, tactics, confidence and mentality. We look scared and confused as to what to do in the final-third, and there is no creativity. When you have Mata, Kagawa, Nani, Januzaj, Rooney & RVP in the squad, there can be no excuses for the lack of creativity. Plus, this season we look far more defensively inept than I can remember. Moyes is meant to be a defensive genius, what's happened to that??
From the rumours, only Rooney looks happy playing for Moyes. Players who otherwise enjoy their football, or rarely speak out, look disgruntled. It's fine accepting some players are not good enough and should be sold, but other than DDG, has anyone else consistently demonstrated they deserve to be here long-term? The players levels may have dropped off, but it's up to the manager to get them to play better. Moyes seems happier blaming the lack of quality than taking responsibility and bringing the best out of players. Great managers can get an extra 20% performance from average players, they can make the good look great. Moyes has made the good players look distinctly average this season.
Then there is Moyes' own mentality. He's not cut out to be United manager. Saying things like "we'll try to win" or claiming City & Liverpool are favourites when we play at OT is unacceptable. Making comments like "we aspire to be at City's level" are pathetic. He is not brave enough to manage the expectations at this club, for him making it difficult for the opponents is an achievement. He has shown this season his mentality and tactical awareness is just not good enough.
Moyes has had long enough to prove himself and show progression. He's not shown anything which warrants him getting more time. He looks as clueless today as he did when he started the job. The fans have been patient enough but this righteousness that 'we're Man Utd we don't sack managers' needs to end. He's doing more and more harm to this club each passing week and, at the end of the day, we need to do what's best for the club and not fecking David Moyes. He's a good man, but if it needs OT to boo him to get the owners attention then so be it.
This result surely should be the final nail in the coffin. But, despite my hope, I can see him being given more time when he clearly doesn't deserve it.
Well done David, the amazing Everton side you left beat the terrible side Sir Alex left you.
I get the feeling today could be the day, lads. This could turn out to be a good evening.
Well, this was a familiar view for Moyes. Man United visits Godison Park, and Moyes loses. Like usual.
Can't wait to hear his post match excuses now
Madrid fans would have boycotted matches until he left.
Absolutely no surprise to see another loss. Absolutely criminal that he's still in charge.
Patient? We've been ridiculous. How the feck can you continue supporting a manager who's taken us to this kind of mediocrity? We should make him quit. It's all in our hands. Teams like Real Madrid sack their manager just because they don't go far enough in the champions league and here we are, 7th and giving Moyes a standing ovation for going 7th and breaking all negative records that there is to break. feck me.
Bollockless coward.
He bolted down the tunnel after the final whistle. No acknowledging the players or the fans.
Classless cnut.
He bolted down the tunnel after the final whistle. No acknowledging the players or the fans.
Classless cnut.
His post match interviews are as cringe worthy as his team tactics...
What tactics?
Obviously losing home and away to City, Liverpool and Everton is Fergie's fault. That shit squad of champions he left.
Can we have some sort of protest? Dread to think how much further we'll fall in another year
Exactly...clueless and naive!!
Nah. He's here for another season. He's the luckiest manager in the world.
I reckon even Championship clubs would've sacked him with a similar form since the New Year.
Have a feeling he's getting the sackes.
Didn't last even 45 minutes against Everton...
Another wonderful performance from Moyes Boyes
Telling that a lot of us expected to lose today. What a job Moyes has done.
He won't get sacked cuz uncle Fergie is on the board!!
Don't think this thread will make the thousand page mark.
No chance. He's the safest manager in the country right now, maybe apart from Rodgers and that guy who just got Brentford promotion.
Woody didnt look too impressed.
I fecking hate this clown, I hate him. I hate that he's such a mindless idiot that his clear motivation today was "ooooo people love Roberto Martinez and all his pretty football... well watch me play better football! We'll make loads of passes!! MWAHAHAHAHA!"... and so we proceed to pass the ball aimlessly round a football field for 90 minutes, whilst Everton destroy us with a direct/fast/counter-attacking approach, and David Moyes wanked furiously from the touchline.
Our whole game today was based around Moyes trying to "one-up" his successor... how fecking petty is that?! Not to say stupid/idiotic/daft etc... and even when it was painfully obvious that Everton's approach was killing us, did we change it? Did we feck... because Moyes is incapable of changing a game that is in progress... because he has no clue what he's doing.
Our whole game today was based around Moyes trying to "one-up" his successor... how fecking petty is that?! Not to say stupid/idiotic/daft etc... and even when it was painfully obvious that Everton's approach was killing us, did we change it? Did we feck... because Moyes is incapable of changing a game that is in progress... because he has no clue what he's doing.
The only way he will be sacked is if our fans go all out against him and hound him out. Unless that happens, he will get another season. From champions to 7th in a single season, imagine what he would do in 2.
Any sensible club would have gotten rid of him weeks ago. Even the most moronic club would get rid of him after today. I don't know what that makes us.
Get out of our club, you big, clueless idiot.
Get out of our club, you big, clueless idiot.
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