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There is no way that Moyes didn't know about that Clause. NO WAY!

You're saying a manager didn't realise he has a 4th or sacked clause in a contract he signed?

So... I guess he knows he's leaving way before he actually got the sacked, and leak or no leak, he kinda knows his end is coming.
This is why I don't like him....he had to know he had that clause, but keeping the team at 4th or better was beyond him. So, he started with the comments that the team needs a complete rebuild, that the team needs new players. He thought he had everyone sold.

Didn't work. The Utd mgmt knew what they had for players and didn't buy it. Surprise for him! (since all Moyes' buddies in the press apparently bought that line hook, line and sinker)
 

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What it looks like is that the board decided he should go - barring a miracle in the CL, perhaps - as early as Olympiakos. They then waited for the clause to kick in - in order to save money, not for any other reason. It was business, nothing personal, as the phrase goes - but I can easily see how this could appear to Moyes, who was out there, just walking towards the gallows, so to speak.
To be honest, once they decided not to sack him in the days immediately after the Olympiakos defeat, I'm not sure there was a better time.
 

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To be honest, once they decided not to sack him in the days immediately after the Olympiakos defeat, I'm not sure there was a better time.
True enough. Might have spared him the Everton match, arguably - but hey. I've no idea how he feels about it, of course, but if they just left him at it - as it were - him knowing he was a goner, knowing they only waited in order to save money, well...it's not a good place to be in. But it's a tough old business, I guess. And Moyes is a big boy - so, yeah. It is what it is, I suppose.
 

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Roy Keane on Moyes' sacking:

"I have to hold back (as an ex-United player) but I'm not losing any sleep over it, believe me."
 

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Roy Keane on Moyes' sacking:

"I have to hold back (as an ex-United player) but I'm not losing any sleep over it, believe me."
What's that supposed to mean? That he does not have any pity for Moyes? Or does he not care what's happening?
 

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For the record Pep had agreed to move to Bayern before Fergie decided to retiree, and there are numerous reports that Ancelotti was first choice but wanted to go to Madrid. So to say those two were ignored isn't likely true.
Thats quite possibly true mate on both counts, but for me if you start with a list with the likes of Guardiola and Ancelotti at the top given their credentials, you would have to go a long way down the list and through a lot of candidates before you got to Moyes.


Let's see..... people like you deserve nothing from Fergie to be honest. No matter what he did and whoever was in the hot seat and we ended up the current position, people like you would blame Fergie anyway (for retiring, for not helping naming a suitable successor, for leaving a team too old, no midfield... ) He's really in an impossible position. End of discussion. I will not change my opinion about him and Moyes.
Jesus mate give over your bleating, how fecking dare i hold an opinion on Ferguson being partly responsible for the mess the club is in at the minute.

I've defended SAF on countless occasions in the last 20+ years but when hes made a feck up i won't defend him blindly and recommending Moyes was a monumental feck up.

Had we hired a coach with the proper experience on Fergusons recommendation and it went tits i wouldn't blame SAF at all because hes not a clairvoyant, but fact of the matter is he picked a man with none of the necessary experience which was a huge risk and it unsurprisingly turned into a clusterfeck.

He's really wasn't in an impossible position. End of discussion. I will not change my opinion about him and Moyes. :p
 

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Or - just for the sake of argument - there was no clause. I doubt this, though, given the timing of the announcement (they appear to have waited until it was mathematically impossible to get 4th). If there was no clause that would be the only plausible explanation for him - possibly - believing that he had the board's backing.

But, again, I find that highly unlikely. I think he knew well in advance that he was under threat. And it's possible to interpret what he has - allegedly - said about this in various ways. He may be furious they leaked the story to the press before briefing him more than anything. And he may resent them for not being more explicit with him. Let's say they decided to stay silent toward the end - just waiting for the clause to kick in. I can see that as a possibility, actually. And I can see how that might be perceived as unnecessarily evasive from Moyes' point of view.

What it looks like is that the board decided he should go - barring a miracle in the CL, perhaps - as early as Olympiakos. They then waited for the clause to kick in - in order to save money, not for any other reason. It was business, nothing personal, as the phrase goes - but I can easily see how this could appear to Moyes, who was out there, just walking towards the gallows, so to speak.
Just because there was a clause, it doesn't mean that the board would necessarily use it. It was safety net for the board in case things were not going well. Failing top 4 did not equal sacking automatically.

To be frank, missing top 4 was the cream of the crop for his failure. But if there had been any sign of hope, anywhere where anyone could see one thing was changing for the positive or anyone could just see a glimpse of hope somewhere, his sacking might not have happened even if we missed top 4. Regardless how much it was his fault, the players, the club, unluck etc. everything went wrong.
 

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No, they're not all rumours. You're just conveniently calling them that in this case to suit your argument. It was also reported in the Guardian as well. Oh, but hang on. That was a rumour too, right? Balague is the go-to man for info in Barcelona especially for a lot of media in the UK. Newspapers, Sky. etc. Where do you get your valuable insight from?

I was talking about why Barca signed Fabregas in 2011, and we were interested in him last summer, not now, so a fans' poll isn't really relevant. Funny that Arsenal were willing to fork out £42m on Ozil but never even showed any interest in him if he really was looking for a move away from Barca. Maybe cos he wasn't. Players don't have to be looking for a move for other clubs to make enquiries. Maybe you believed the rumour that he was.
I hadn't read that article, and thanks to the previous poster for actually posting it with a source (and by coindicence you then mention the Guardian:rolleyes:). Ballague has sprouted several rumours over the years, some have materialised and alot havent. Alot of people on here would tell you his word isn't always correct no matter how respected he is. You'd be a fool to believe everything he says. Well my valuable insight was from me, I didn't mention I got it from anywhere else. It was an opinion by me. No one can be sure what happened behind the scenes with the Fabregas saga, it is all rumours and speculation. The only fact was that we didn't get the player.
 

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Thats quite possibly true mate on both counts, but for me if you start with a list with the likes of Guardiola and Ancelotti at the top given their credentials, you would have to go a long way down the list and through a lot of candidates before you got to Moyes.
Who would you put ahead of him (that was available last year)?

Mourinho I guess, if you're a fan of his. However it seems our board aren't. Beyond that, not many viable candidates this time last year.
 

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Logic dictaded Manchester United (not SAF) chose someone who would suit the club. While certain managers would be a safer bet for instant success other managers would be a safer bet for stability and success over a long term.

SAF was most likely aware that Moyes was quite stubborn. He probably saw that as a good characteristic. Name one manager who is not stubborn and strongminded btw. United probably appointed Moyes because they thought what he had done with the means he had at Everton would make him a good succeeder at United. He could just take on where SAF left him.

I cannot see how SAF or anyone at the board at United could forsee that being stubborn would mean that he would foresake everything that was served for him at United AND destroy the player morale though his constant rambling about a squad that was too old.

Im not sure Moyes falls into either of those short term/long term categories though.

As to how the board could have forseen how Moyes would be so stubborn and making drastic sweeping changes to almost every level of the club and sack the coaching staff, well i have an idea they could have asked him.

It seems to me from everything coming out from SAF and the board last summer they thought Moyes was a safe bet to come in and initiate a smooth seamless transition because hes so like Ferguson they kept saying cut from the same cloth etc., sounds like they wanted to come in cause as little upheavel as possible and basically do a Ferguson MKII inpression. Though it seems Moyes had very different plans that the club were probably not aware of, once he was handed the power he just did his own thing.

So its possible they were so sure about Moyes given Fergusons glowing recommendation that they didn't do a proper process of due diligence on him, did they bring him in and ask him in detail what his plans are and what changes he is going to make, to me it seems they didn't. Hiring Moyes was a massive risk that could have paid off in the long term but still a huge risk, so before hiring him no stone should have been left unturned.

In my opinion from everything i have read i don't think they asked enough questions of Moyes and what his plans were. And because of this they thought they were hiring a different type of manager.


The transfer window last summer was not only Moyes' fault. It was Ed Woodward's as well.

What I think should have been assessed more before the appointment of Moyes was his man management style and how adapting he was as a manager. His (with hindsight) apparent inability to adapt could be explained by the fact that he didn't have the means to play any other football then he did. I don't know.
It is however a completely different man managing style required at a club like United compared to Everton. This was what worried me the most when he was appointed.
These points and that he had not won much prior to his appointment were the biggest risks IMO.
I agree mate as i said above i think SAF & the board dropped the ball on Moyes Big time, i don't think they did their research on him properly.

Qualities that were essential for a manager like Moyes in taking over from SAF and ensuring a smooth transition and eventual success were as you say man management skills, ability to adapt to a different set of players/training methods and i would add to that willingness to take advice which if you believe all the stories coming out he wasn't. In fact none of these traits were strong points of his, the board & SAF should have explored this.

All these factors are why i think SAF & the board deserve criticism for the hiring of Moyes.

Since Moyes has been portrayed as Gollum from LOTR by Everton fans, its quite appropriate to compare the ring ("my precious") to United & the way it made Gollum feel powerful to do what he wanted - once he had the ring on... :p
Haha yeah mate, its actually what pretty much happened it seems, at least he didn't end up in a volcano with everything else thats happened to him poor chap.
 

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One question. Did Moyes not read newspapers? Because even if there wasn't a clause in his contract, if some of the newspaper headlines he had for several weeks prior to his sacking had been written about me, then I'd reckon my bosses were getting the P45 ready.
 

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Who would you put ahead of him (that was available last year)?

Mourinho I guess, if you're a fan of his. However it seems our board aren't. Beyond that, not many viable candidates this time last year.
Not a huge fan of Mourinho's football myself mate, when SAF retired was hoping we would get someone who would get us playing entertaining football again, that wasn't Jose for me.

For me there must be at least 10-15 coaches that had the required experience and were better suited to take us over than Moyes, fair enough the likes of klopp would be tricky to lure away, and as you say pep was already tied up elsewhere.

But if we had conducted a proper selection process im sure we could have attracted a top experienced coach. A story the other day says we tried for Pep and Carlo both were a no go so went with Moyes. But for me that sounds like bullshit.

If you can't one of the the top 2-3 coaches you don't then automatically turn to someone like Moyes there were many other options in my opinion.
 

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True enough. Might have spared him the Everton match, arguably - but hey. I've no idea how he feels about it, of course, but if they just left him at it - as it were - him knowing he was a goner, knowing they only waited in order to save money, well...it's not a good place to be in. But it's a tough old business, I guess. And Moyes is a big boy - so, yeah. It is what it is, I suppose.
I think he had to manage us through the Everton match, I think as much as anything it was an attempt to get him to resign.

But as we've seen, there was plenty of times where any decent man would of resigned and he didn't so they had to do the decent thing and give him the bullet.
 

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That Times article (disingenuously) misses the point: Moyes' failings at United contributed to the sneering reception he received at Goodison. To insinuate that our board callously & gratuitously made him run the gauntlet at Everton's ground actually does Moyes no favours, as it's such an exaggeration; he simply wasn't a martyr, persecuted by evil moneymen, no matter how it's spun.
 

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Are we really supposed to believe that it was 'footballs ugliest sacking' too?

It has been one of footballs most horrific reigns for sure but I am sure that there have been quite a few more ugly sackings throughout the years.
 

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I hadn't read that article, and thanks to the previous poster for actually posting it with a source (and by coindicence you then mention the Guardian:rolleyes:). Ballague has sprouted several rumours over the years, some have materialised and alot havent. Alot of people on here would tell you his word isn't always correct no matter how respected he is. You'd be a fool to believe everything he says. Well my valuable insight was from me, I didn't mention I got it from anywhere else. It was an opinion by me. No one can be sure what happened behind the scenes with the Fabregas saga, it is all rumours and speculation. The only fact was that we didn't get the player.
I don't believe everything any journo says. They always spout rumours for whatever reason but not in this case. Thing was that Wenger said he was never available for a transfer last summer and if anyone would know, he would, as they had first refusal. The only fact was Moyes spent a lot of time pursuing a player last summer who was never gonna leave, no matter how bids went in from us.
 

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Im not sure Moyes falls into either of those short term/long term categories though.

As to how the board could have forseen how Moyes would be so stubborn and making drastic sweeping changes to almost every level of the club and sack the coaching staff, well i have an idea they could have asked him.

It seems to me from everything coming out from SAF and the board last summer they thought Moyes was a safe bet to come in and initiate a smooth seamless transition because hes so like Ferguson they kept saying cut from the same cloth etc., sounds like they wanted to come in cause as little upheavel as possible and basically do a Ferguson MKII inpression. Though it seems Moyes had very different plans that the club were probably not aware of, once he was handed the power he just did his own thing.

So its possible they were so sure about Moyes given Fergusons glowing recommendation that they didn't do a proper process of due diligence on him, did they bring him in and ask him in detail what his plans are and what changes he is going to make, to me it seems they didn't. Hiring Moyes was a massive risk that could have paid off in the long term but still a huge risk, so before hiring him no stone should have been left unturned.

In my opinion from everything i have read i don't think they asked enough questions of Moyes and what his plans were. And because of this they thought they were hiring a different type of manager.




I agree mate as i said above i think SAF & the board dropped the ball on Moyes Big time, i don't think they did their research on him properly.

Qualities that were essential for a manager like Moyes in taking over from SAF and ensuring a smooth transition and eventual success were as you say man management skills, ability to adapt to a different set of players/training methods and i would add to that willingness to take advice which if you believe all the stories coming out he wasn't. In fact none of these traits were strong points of his, the board & SAF should have explored this.

All these factors are why i think SAF & the board deserve criticism for the hiring of Moyes.



Haha yeah mate, its actually what pretty much happened it seems, at least he didn't end up in a volcano with everything else thats happened to him poor chap.
Well...either they didn't ask him because they could not in their wildest dream think that someone would come in as a manager of this incredibly well run club and put everything into turmoil (which would have been very irresponsible), or they did ask him and there was a misunderstanding. I am not saying Moyes lied as in

SAF: Will you make any changes?
Moyes: No,no,no,no

but there could have been a miscommunication. Maybe SAF said something like "Everything is there for you. You just need to carry on" and Moyes said "Fine". This is ofc quite simplified here for the sake of the argument :)

Another way things happened could have been that Moyes initially didn't think he would need to make changes (when he signed) and honestly agreed to a smooth transition but when he started working he thought that he had to do them for various reasons. Considering the coach-replacements for instance, I would think he realized he was put in a dilemma: Either he would have had coaches that were better at his work than him himself, and whom the players would look up to more than him, or he got rid of them and hire people who he knew he could control and keep below himself in the hierarchy.

Your quality suggestion "willingness to take advice" was a really good suggestion.

I agree that the board should be critizised, and they will, I think. Since United is a public company they will be responsible for the bad results financially. Maybe SAF as well, but it's impossible to know how much input he really had, even though I agree that from all one can read, it seems he had a big influence. But nevertheless, the board are the ones formally responsible. This is also why it was never going to be ok to underperform for several years because "you are rebuilding things and making things the way you want them to be". You can't do that just because you have a stubborn and unadaptive manager. Not if you have a public company. You can make investments yes, but they need to be truly motivated. Financial results down due to big player investments --> ok. Financial results down due to an unnecessary change of essential staff and training routines --> na-ah.

Given that, Moyes really blew it IMO.
 

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David Moyes signs with Everton (which reside in Liverpool) and both clubs never won the league. Manchester becomes the dominant city in EPL football

David Moyes comes to Manchester. In his first season, Liverpool ends up first (an unbeaten run of 11 games), Everton goes 4th, City becomes the new Liverpool (the dominant club in Manchester) and we become the new Everton (6th place).

David Moyes is sacked. Paddy Power decides to erect a statue of Moyes at Anfield. Liverpool and Everton lose immediately after that while the Manchester clubs win in a convincing way.

Am I being too superstitious?
 

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Well...either they didn't ask him because they could not in their wildest dream think that someone would come in as a manager of this incredibly well run club and put everything into turmoil (which would have been very irresponsible), or they did ask him and there was a misunderstanding. I am not saying Moyes lied as in

SAF: Will you make any changes?
Moyes: No,no,no,no

but there could have been a miscommunication. Maybe SAF said something like "Everything is there for you. You just need to carry on" and Moyes said "Fine". This is ofc quite simplified here for the sake of the argument :)

Another way things happened could have been that Moyes initially didn't think he would need to make changes (when he signed) and honestly agreed to a smooth transition but when he started working he thought that he had to do them for various reasons. Considering the coach-replacements for instance, I would think he realized he was put in a dilemma: Either he would have had coaches that were better at his work than him himself, and whom the players would look up to more than him, or he got rid of them and hire people who he knew he could control and keep below himself in the hierarchy.

Your quality suggestion "willingness to take advice" was a really good suggestion.

I agree that the board should be critizised, and they will, I think. Since United is a public company they will be responsible for the bad results financially. Maybe SAF as well, but it's impossible to know how much input he really had, even though I agree that from all one can read, it seems he had a big influence. But nevertheless, the board are the ones formally responsible. This is also why it was never going to be ok to underperform for several years because "you are rebuilding things and making things the way you want them to be". You can't do that just because you have a stubborn and unadaptive manager. Not if you have a public company. You can make investments yes, but they need to be truly motivated. Financial results down due to big player investments --> ok. Financial results down due to an unnecessary change of essential staff and training routines --> na-ah.

Given that, Moyes really blew it IMO.

Could just have easily went down as you say mate, its all speculation and we will all have our own theories on the circumstances surrounding Moyes appointment.
Hopefully we get the full picture one day but we may never sadly.

However it went down at this point i don't think you will find anyone who will say it was anything other than a horrible ill thought out mistake.

Some think i am harsh to criticize SAf & the board for selecting Moyes, and that would be fair if Moyes had been a quick fire appointment after the last manager suddenly leaving.

But the truth is they had 11 years (+6 months notice) to plan for Ferguson stepping down and who his replacement would be, they had a set plan for succession or so Gill continued to tell us. They also had an historical blueprint on how not to handle replacing a great manager in the Busby/McGuinness saga. Anyone looking into that episode could guess its probably not a great idea to let the previous manager choose his successor.

And yet despite all those advantages they went and made almost the exact same mistakes as united did in the 60's when busby stepped down in choosing a guy who was totally wrong for the role. I guess i am just massively disappointed that they ignored history and common sense in my opinion.
 

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David Moyes signs with Everton (which reside in Liverpool) and both clubs never won the league. Manchester becomes the dominant city in EPL football

David Moyes comes to Manchester. In his first season, Liverpool ends up first (an unbeaten run of 11 games), Everton goes 4th, City becomes the new Liverpool (the dominant club in Manchester) and we become the new Everton (6th place).

David Moyes is sacked. Paddy Power decides to erect a statue of Moyes at Anfield. Liverpool and Everton lose immediately after that while the Manchester clubs win in a convincing way.

Am I being too superstitious?
Nope, any ounce of logic shall deduce that Moyes is in fact cursed.
 

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Thats quite possibly true mate on both counts, but for me if you start with a list with the likes of Guardiola and Ancelotti at the top given their credentials, you would have to go a long way down the list and through a lot of candidates before you got to Moyes.




Jesus mate give over your bleating, how fecking dare i hold an opinion on Ferguson being partly responsible for the mess the club is in at the minute.

I've defended SAF on countless occasions in the last 20+ years but when hes made a feck up i won't defend him blindly and recommending Moyes was a monumental feck up.

Had we hired a coach with the proper experience on Fergusons recommendation and it went tits i wouldn't blame SAF at all because hes not a clairvoyant, but fact of the matter is he picked a man with none of the necessary experience which was a huge risk and it unsurprisingly turned into a clusterfeck.

He's really wasn't in an impossible position. End of discussion. I will not change my opinion about him and Moyes. :p
Keep witch hunting then! What sad life mate!
 

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Could just have easily went down as you say mate, its all speculation and we will all have our own theories on the circumstances surrounding Moyes appointment.
Hopefully we get the full picture one day but we may never sadly.

However it went down at this point i don't think you will find anyone who will say it was anything other than a horrible ill thought out mistake.

Some think i am harsh to criticize SAf & the board for selecting Moyes, and that would be fair if Moyes had been a quick fire appointment after the last manager suddenly leaving.

But the truth is they had 11 years (+6 months notice) to plan for Ferguson stepping down and who his replacement would be, they had a set plan for succession or so Gill continued to tell us. They also had an historical blueprint on how not to handle replacing a great manager in the Busby/McGuinness saga. Anyone looking into that episode could guess its probably not a great idea to let the previous manager choose his successor.

And yet despite all those advantages they went and made almost the exact same mistakes as united did in the 60's when busby stepped down in choosing a guy who was totally wrong for the role. I guess i am just massively disappointed that they ignored history and common sense in my opinion.
These are all very good points. Everyone has the right to criticize SAF. I think that a lot of criticism is unfair and not very substantial. Not these though.

Interesting points regarding the time they had to plan the succession, which brings up another question I have asked myself since it was announced: Why did Gill have to leave at the same time as SAF? Couldn't they have discussed it in private to avoid this? Maybe Gill could have gone after 2011-12 if he knew SAF would go after 2012-13 or 2013-14? It ought to be obvious it would happen sooner rather than later because SAF had constantly told everyone through press conferences etc. that he intended to retire after a few years. And it seems SAF had known for quite some time that he intended the 2012-13 season to be his last, at least if he took the title back from City. To give Moyes some defence, this situation didn't exactly make his chances any better.
 

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Could just have easily went down as you say mate, its all speculation and we will all have our own theories on the circumstances surrounding Moyes appointment.
Hopefully we get the full picture one day but we may never sadly.

However it went down at this point i don't think you will find anyone who will say it was anything other than a horrible ill thought out mistake.

Some think i am harsh to criticize SAf & the board for selecting Moyes, and that would be fair if Moyes had been a quick fire appointment after the last manager suddenly leaving.

But the truth is they had 11 years (+6 months notice) to plan for Ferguson stepping down and who his replacement would be, they had a set plan for succession or so Gill continued to tell us. They also had an historical blueprint on how not to handle replacing a great manager in the Busby/McGuinness saga. Anyone looking into that episode could guess its probably not a great idea to let the previous manager choose his successor.

And yet despite all those advantages they went and made almost the exact same mistakes as united did in the 60's when busby stepped down in choosing a guy who was totally wrong for the role. I guess i am just massively disappointed that they ignored history and common sense in my opinion.
I would also like to add that perhaps people overestimated Moyes achievents at Everton. SAF said on several occations that compared to the means at hand, Moyes had done the best managing job in PL. What Martinez has done at Everton this season, while loosing who was seen as their best player, put also that estimation in question.
 

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I think he had to manage us through the Everton match, I think as much as anything it was an attempt to get him to resign.

But as we've seen, there was plenty of times where any decent man would of resigned and he didn't so they had to do the decent thing and give him the bullet.
well said mate! It's always a business decision when it comes to the sacking of manager. If the article is of any truth (the Moyes is now moaning/complaining why his poor soul had to be put through the trip to Goodison Park, and that no one warned him of the sack), then the question to him is, why the feck didn't you resign if you still have any decency when you know you would be getting the sack once it's mathematically impossible to be top4. He's quite a nasty man
 

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Who would you put ahead of him (that was available last year)?

Mourinho I guess, if you're a fan of his. However it seems our board aren't. Beyond that, not many viable candidates this time last year.
To be honest I had Moyes way, way down the list. Below the likes of even Harry Redknapp in fact (who himself wasn't even close to the top of the list). At least the latter had won trophies and had his teams playing attacking Football, something Moyes never achieved.

He really was not even in my top 20 attainable managers.
 

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Are we really supposed to believe that it was 'footballs ugliest sacking' too?

It has been one of footballs most horrific reigns for sure but I am sure that there have been quite a few more ugly sackings throughout the years.
Dear old Carlo can tell them a thing or two about ugly sackings, they sure don't come as ugly as being told of the sack in the corridors of Goodison Park. At least we had the decency to bring him to Manchester and pull the trigger in friendlier climes . He is lucky he lasted ten months on the job given his ineptitude ...
 

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Who would you put ahead of him (that was available last year)?

Mourinho I guess, if you're a fan of his. However it seems our board aren't. Beyond that, not many viable candidates this time last year.
He shouldn't have even been on the list for potential managers. He never showed anything that relates to united. Never played exciting, attacking football, was a negative minded manager and he never won anything. There was never a reason to even consider him for the job, and loads of managers would have been willing to take over.
 

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Any actual names, beyond @finneh 's Harry Redknapp?
You want a list?
  • Klopp
  • simeone
  • guardiola
  • ancelotti
  • mourinho
  • van gaal
  • hiddink
  • blanc
  • Martinez (style of play)
  • pochettino
  • rudi Garcia
  • pellegrini
  • AVB
  • Conte
  • Bielsa

15 managers who are all far better choices for top clubs and for attack minded teams like united. Not all were attainable, like we might have missed out on pep even if we went for him back in February, or Klopp, but the majority of them would jump at the chance to manage United.
 

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Keep witch hunting then! What sad life mate!

Haha witch hunting, jesus christ mate stop being so serious.

I'm expressing my opinion that happens to be different than yours, if you have a problem with opinions different than your own then you are probably in the wrong place.

fecking up with Moyes won't tarnish my respect for Ferguson and everything hes done for the club i support, i just don't personally believe he should be immune to criticism especially when its justified.

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Any actual names, beyond @finneh 's Harry Redknapp?
Is there a real need to list the names mate its been done a 1000 times on here, unless someone is of the opinion that Moyes was the 4th-5th best manager in the world last year then we could have easily done better.

For me had i drawn up a list of 20 names Moyes wouldn't have even been on it.
 

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These are all very good points. Everyone has the right to criticize SAF. I think that a lot of criticism is unfair and not very substantial. Not these though.

Interesting points regarding the time they had to plan the succession, which brings up another question I have asked myself since it was announced: Why did Gill have to leave at the same time as SAF? Couldn't they have discussed it in private to avoid this? Maybe Gill could have gone after 2011-12 if he knew SAF would go after 2012-13 or 2013-14? It ought to be obvious it would happen sooner rather than later because SAF had constantly told everyone through press conferences etc. that he intended to retire after a few years. And it seems SAF had known for quite some time that he intended the 2012-13 season to be his last, at least if he took the title back from City. To give Moyes some defence, this situation didn't exactly make his chances any better.

On Gill leaving i think the official story is they had both made their minds up to step down at roughly the same time without telling each other or the board, i think Gill informed the board he was leaving before SAF did and the rest is history.

Its just another thing that could have been handled better in my opinion, Gill could have maybe stayed in the position for another year or two, but oh well in the past now.
 

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I'd add to that list:
  • Benitez
  • Mancini
  • Laudrup
  • Rodgers
  • Wenger
  • Heynckes
  • Low
  • Capello
  • Lippi
Again not all necessarily attainable.
 

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You want a list?
Klopp, simeone, guardiola, ancelotti, mourinho, van gaal, hiddink, blanc, Martinez (style of play), pochettino, rudi Garcia, pellegrini, AVB, Conte, Bielsa

15 managers who are all far better choices for top clubs and for attack minded teams like united. Not all were attainable, like we might have missed out on pep even if we went for him back in February, or Klopp, but the majority of them would jump at the chance to manage United.
Remember, we're talking about last season.

So Klopp, Simeone, Guardiola, Van Gaal, Ancelotti, Pellegrini, Conte were not available.

Some are possibles

AVB - just had a great season at Spurs and was given a £100M transfer kitty. Possible. Hardly inspiring given his Chelsea episode .
Hiddink - Had tried to retire a couple of years ago, signed a short term extension last summer but then quit and seems to have retired now. Possible, but a very very short term option.

Some are hardly stand outs

Rudi Garcia - this time last season he'd won the French league a few years ago, that's about it.
Laurant Blanc - as above, plus a fairly undistinguished time as France coach.

Some are ridiculous suggestions

Martinez - Who'd just masterminded Wigan's relegation?
Pochettino - With 4 months managing Southampton behind him, having been sacked by Espanyol while bottom of La Liga?
Bielsa - you kidding? Love the guy, football revolutionary, but for Man United?
This isn't to support Moyes by the way, who was deservedly sacked. But this notion that Europe was awash with managers who were so much more suitable than Moyes is just hindsight bias.
 
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