When they brought the Chevy guys out yesterday it went down like a lead ballon, especially when they started banging on about the Asian market.
Just spend some fecking money.
Transfer budget glass ceiling
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Just spend some fecking money.
It will be the old excuse of not beeing able to pull off transfers in the January transfer window. We always have our excuses.
I also think we either don't have the money, the Glazers don't want to spend it or Woodward really is a complete tool. Those are pretty much the only explenations and I'm not sure which I'm tending to.
what are you? five years old? don't leave the house or put the telly on mate, clearly you aren't ready to face the reality of the fact people have emotions, have fun being a robot though.
All the best players in the world want to sign for us too.
You just insulted people twice for no reason. And you are calling me five?
what are you? five years old? don't leave the house or put the telly on mate, clearly you aren't ready to face the reality of the fact people have emotions, have fun being a robot though.
Go look up the forum rules.
Principles are killing us. Yet we were quite happy to buy Bebe and I sure his agent got a nice little cut.To think that if we paid the 8m agent fees required by Nasri's and Hazard's agents, we would most likely have those 2 players in our lineup.Instead we got Ashley Young and that's what you get for being cheap.
what kind of baby are you? if you want an actual insult at this rate I'll provide you with some. feck me.You just insulted people twice for no reason. And you are calling me five?
Go look up the forum rules.
go grow up.
After last season's disaster we should have binned the likes of Smalling, Young, Hernandez, Fletcher, Fellaini. The list goes on. Yet we have stuck with these losers on the back of a bunch of meaningless preseason friendlies. It was only a matter of time before they messed up again.
We let our experienced defenders leave. 3 of them and then replaced them with 1 who is unfit and already injured. Where the hell is the logic in that?
We've been crying out for a world class midfielder for 5 years and still the board have not delivered.
Our main rivals for 3rd and 4th, i.e Arsenal and Liverpool are outspending us and showing more ambition on the pitch at a time when we have just secured 1.2 billion in shirt deals. The scouts at our club are lacking, and the directors are useless.
I fear for our place as a top 4 club if these oversights continue. I don't think we will spend big simply due to the fact that profitability is key at a time when the Glazers are slowly relinquishing shares.
I do think that within 3 years this club will once again be a PLC controlled by a myriad of profiteers and probably not the glazers.
We let our experienced defenders leave. 3 of them and then replaced them with 1 who is unfit and already injured. Where the hell is the logic in that?
We've been crying out for a world class midfielder for 5 years and still the board have not delivered.
Our main rivals for 3rd and 4th, i.e Arsenal and Liverpool are outspending us and showing more ambition on the pitch at a time when we have just secured 1.2 billion in shirt deals. The scouts at our club are lacking, and the directors are useless.
I fear for our place as a top 4 club if these oversights continue. I don't think we will spend big simply due to the fact that profitability is key at a time when the Glazers are slowly relinquishing shares.
I do think that within 3 years this club will once again be a PLC controlled by a myriad of profiteers and probably not the glazers.
Did you not read all my post?
When we brought Scholesy back from retirement it was all to obvious sth wasn't right with our budget or the way it's handled even back then. Don't see why anything should have changed.
Maybe they're worried in shelling out a shit load of money on players and not qualifying for Europe,double whammy in terms of loss.
I'll read it again, but I'm pretty sure I'm agreeing with you. I left out a word though and have now edited it in.
Unfortunately that's the risk that comes with owning a historically ambitious club with huge expectations and a huge fan base.
They could've backed us better in the past (for example after selling a key player for £80 million), and we probably wouldn't be in this situation.
go feck your mothers ass mate. don't care if I get banned for telling fecks like you where to go.
Potentially, and understandable - but by getting those players we greatly increase the probability of qualifying for Europe.
In fact without CL this year I would argue that those 3 signings would put us within title contention.
Whilst if we rest on our laurels there's a chance of repeating last year.
I personally don't think it'll happen and I do have confidence that we can finish top 4 even with this squad, but if those players are available and we have the funds plus the long term monetary investment implications that could occur if we don't get them - it's a no brainer to start buying.
What the feck man.
LouisVanGaal for Admin.
We've already spent more than we usually do.
His username is Loius. Couldn't even spell it right.
£50m or £60m is usually normal for us. We spend around that region.
But this summer, we had to spend around £120m or more because of the players we lost.
Well that could be very much what it is, but I am certainly not believing it until the transfer window closes. Fergie always talked about value and his genius always produced result which is why fans lived with it. Not so sure the owners will be ready to take a chance with the global brand with yet another season of underachievement. LVG has reiterated again the need for defenders and we haven't go any, we need to be rebuilding gradually but the first sign of intent has to come and there's only a week or so to go now. Time will tell, it will take LVG's genius like Fergie's in the past to paper over the cracks, but I wouldn't bet on it just yet.
Nah, according to this our net spend over the last 5 years is less than £30m.
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...elsea-Manchester-United-net-spend-charts.html
And that's after the Mata signing...
Yeez, why ruin a whole thread with this nonsense? You know people come here to read and maybe post something useful..
Think you're cracking up mate. Time to step away from the keyboard and get some fresh air.
I quite like how he added 'mate' to that. It's a bit like when people say 'no offence but...' or 'with all due respect...' - you know they'll probably end up saying you should be chemically castrated or something.
This.
Some are really losing their shit completely now. It's ok to have concerns and voice opinions but one can at least keep it sivilist.
I don't get the point you are trying to make here... I said we have nothing concrete in the media...
For all the Glazer hate, we've spent quite a lot of money on dross and that's also a problem. I mean we spent something like 45 million on Ashley Young and Fellaini. Which is odd, considering we seem reluctant to pay the going price for top players but do not hesitate to overpay for 'PL proven' plodders from mid-table clubs, in the hope that they will 'do a job'.
(though I must admit I thought Young would be good for us.)
(though I must admit I thought Young would be good for us.)
In the last 5 seasons:
United - Spent 267m / Sold 49.5m / Net 217.5m
Chelsea - Spent 409.5m / Sold 193.5m / Net 216m
Liverpool - Spent 324m / Sold 222m / Net 102m
Arsenal - Spent 228.5m / Sold 156m / Net 72.5m
So when you look at them figures, it shows we get absolute no resale value on players, excluding Ronaldo. We buy the wrong players, at the wrong times (Position, Age etc)
Them teams all currently have better squads than us, yet our net is the highest, albeit 1m above Chelsea, but it is still higher
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Said this on the previous page. We have spent money, its just on the wrong players
Great assessment for the most part, but signing players like Smalling and Jones was a no brainer, and even Kagawa and Zaha to a certain extent. Smalling and Jones looked like excellent prospects when we brought them, plus the fact that they were English and would help with the homegrown rule made it a no brainer. The fact that they had so many injury issues and being played out of position did not help in their development. Kagawa was probably one of the best players in the German league, and if you saw his displays at Dortmund then you would say he was an excellent signing. It did not help Kagawa that he got injured for a while in his first season, just when he was hitting his stride and then the manager who signed him retired. Clearly Moyes did not rate him, and it looks like he is not going to be first choice under Van Gaal either.I wanted to write my feelings on our transfers, but didn't want to start a new threat, but also, didn't feel there was a topic for it.
Why are we struggling? I think it is down to two things.
1. The Board, Woodward etc only want to sign players if they feel it is for a fair price
2. When we have bought players of late, they have either been a failure, younger players not progressing, or players who just simply haven't even played for us
I remember a few years ago, Bayern Munich bought Javi Martinez for 34m, and in my opinion, people where shocked at the fee, myself included, but, he was a player they felt would improve their squad, and where happy that the fee was good enough.
We just seem like a club that want the best deal, but nothing else. An example currently is Rojo. We have bid 16m or so, which is delaying the deal, yet we won't pay the 24m buy out clause, which could have had the deal wrapped up already, and been an asset, especially while Shaw is out.
As for point number 2. When we have spent, it's always been on the wrong players, for different reasons.
Mata - Very good player, but it's already made a dilemma on how can we play Rooney, RVP and him
Fellaini - Just doesn't work for a style of play United should go for. Fans have fallen out with him, I don't think LVG wants him, clubs don't wanna spend on him
Kagawa - I just don't think he is suited to the high intensity and quality of the Premier league, but again, was played out of position so much due to Rooney and RVP
Zaha - Rarely played, still young, but I think he will be sold soon
Jones - Bought as the future of Uniteds defence. He just has not progressed at all. Spends to much time on the floor, and making last ditch challenges to recover from his own mistakes
Smalling - Again, in my opinion has never really progressed like he should have. There is a high regard for him on here, but I just don't think he has done that much
Bebe - Well, Bebe
Valencia - He started off well, but he has just regressed if anything. He was bought to replace Ronaldo, and I think that shows the intent of the club
They are the transfers from the last 5 seasons, If I look back, the likes of Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves, berbatov etc could have been thrown in there.
Our last really successful window was the 05/06 season, albeit no expensive players, but the right players.
In the last 5 seasons:
United - Spent 267m / Sold 49.5m / Net 217.5m
Chelsea - Spent 409.5m / Sold 193.5m / Net 216m
Liverpool - Spent 324m / Sold 222m / Net 102m
Arsenal - Spent 228.5m / Sold 156m / Net 72.5m
So when you look at them figures, it shows we get absolute no resale value on players, excluding Ronaldo. We buy the wrong players, at the wrong times (Position, Age etc)
Them teams all currently have better squads than us, yet our net is the highest, albeit 1m above Chelsea, but it is still higher
(I came in here with no posts, I dread to think how many have been posted by now
Rest of your post i agree with. In every thread i see the same thing, blame the Glazer's. I'm not defending the Glazer's for a minute, but blaming them is the easy thing to do.
After the Champions league win in 2008, we should have cherry picked the top players to fit our style of play, but instead we signed Berbatov. We had such pace and movement with that team, but signed the wrong player and in turn alienated Tevez.
Players like Silva and Yaya Toure moved to City for a reasonable fee, Vidal moved to Juventus for 10 million, but United did not show any kind of interest in those players. All we needed to do was sign 1 top player every season to improve the team, and challenge the existing players, instead we spent money on players like Obertan, Manucho, Diouf, Tosic, Bebe, Valencia. Money was there to pull off 1 top signing every season. We have done the same thing again, over paying to Fellaini and Mata when we had no need for them.
Part of the problem is that we stick by our players for far too long. Yes, family spirit and loyalty and giving everyone a chance and all that but the reality is that we keep underperforming players up to a point when their stock is so low we can't even get rid of them.
Case in point: Berbatov. We should have sold him in 2011. He was joint top scorer in the PL but clearly not in Fergie's plans, he didn't even make the bench in the CL final. We could have got about 10m for him I guess. Instead we kept him for another year for no reason, his value plummeted and we lost him for half of that.
Fergie lost some of his ruthlessness and that cost us. I don't know how Chelsea do it though. 50m for Luiz, 26m for Lukaku... insane.
It's good that you don't care, as this will certainly earn you a ban. Well played.
Or we're not actually loaded. That said I feel another mega quid sponsorship deal's on the horizon...
I agree with what you are saying. When we bought Jones, I was actually wanting him before the links where being made. Smalling I wasn't as fussed about, but at the time, never considered it a a bad signing.
I listed them more for the reasons that they just haven't really improved much as footballers. No doubting the signings of them when we made them, but for reasons (Injuries, playing time, playing in the correct positions), we are now left with these as our CBs, and are just not good enough right now. These two where definitely mis managed
I agree.I wanted to write my feelings on our transfers, but didn't want to start a new threat, but also, didn't feel there was a topic for it.
Why are we struggling? I think it is down to two things.
1. The Board, Woodward etc only want to sign players if they feel it is for a fair price
2. When we have bought players of late, they have either been a failure, younger players not progressing, or players who just simply haven't even played for us
I remember a few years ago, Bayern Munich bought Javi Martinez for 34m, and in my opinion, people where shocked at the fee, myself included, but, he was a player they felt would improve their squad, and where happy that the fee was good enough.
We just seem like a club that want the best deal, but nothing else. An example currently is Rojo. We have bid 16m or so, which is delaying the deal, yet we won't pay the 24m buy out clause, which could have had the deal wrapped up already, and been an asset, especially while Shaw is out.
As for point number 2. When we have spent, it's always been on the wrong players, for different reasons.
Mata - Very good player, but it's already made a dilemma on how can we play Rooney, RVP and him
Fellaini - Just doesn't work for a style of play United should go for. Fans have fallen out with him, I don't think LVG wants him, clubs don't wanna spend on him
Kagawa - I just don't think he is suited to the high intensity and quality of the Premier league, but again, was played out of position so much due to Rooney and RVP
Zaha - Rarely played, still young, but I think he will be sold soon
Jones - Bought as the future of Uniteds defence. He just has not progressed at all. Spends to much time on the floor, and making last ditch challenges to recover from his own mistakes
Smalling - Again, in my opinion has never really progressed like he should have. There is a high regard for him on here, but I just don't think he has done that much
Bebe - Well, Bebe
Valencia - He started off well, but he has just regressed if anything. He was bought to replace Ronaldo, and I think that shows the intent of the club
They are the transfers from the last 5 seasons, If I look back, the likes of Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves, berbatov etc could have been thrown in there.
Our last really successful window was the 05/06 season, albeit no expensive players, but the right players.
In the last 5 seasons:
United - Spent 267m / Sold 49.5m / Net 217.5m
Chelsea - Spent 409.5m / Sold 193.5m / Net 216m
Liverpool - Spent 324m / Sold 222m / Net 102m
Arsenal - Spent 228.5m / Sold 156m / Net 72.5m
So when you look at them figures, it shows we get absolute no resale value on players, excluding Ronaldo. We buy the wrong players, at the wrong times (Position, Age etc)
Them teams all currently have better squads than us, yet our net is the highest, albeit 1m above Chelsea, but it is still higher
(I came in here with no posts, I dread to think how many have been posted by now
And especially your second point is really annoying. Our transfer record isn't good at all. We have bought some real dross for a lot of money these last few years.
Exactly what i was thinking.
Yup, we keep hold for the wrong reasons. It's like Carrick now for an example. He isn't a bad player, but he'd struggle to get in any of the other top sides in my opinion, yet we just don't want to improve. Selling Carrick now would be pointless as you'd get nothing for him.
I also do not know how Chelsea do it
. I think with the Lukaku one though, he was loaned out, he's been able to show what he can do.If we loaned Hernandez out, especially in La Liga for a season, I really think we'd get some good money for him the season after
How much would Vidic, Rio and Evra cost to replace? £100? Well...Shaw cost £27m, I suspect two top class CBs costing at least as much.