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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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devilish

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Pound already at it's lowest in 30 years, markets taking a thrashing, calls for independence referendums in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Whispers that Brussels will look to make an example of us. Just how bad will the shit show get? Or is there light at the end of the tunnel?
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I'm abroad so didn't vote. Feel indifferent about it all really.I think the vote represents people of the U.K. not feelin g represented by any political parties and that extends to the EU. From what I've read/heard I think this vote was about a lot more than the EU tbh. Majority of politicians are clearly out of touch.

I was kind of leaning towards leave (not confident that the EU can carry on without huge problems in the long term) but most of my family wanted to remain so I'd have preferred that outcome really.

I am interested to see what happens in Europe now. From what I understand the UK aren't alone in having an unfavourable view of the EU.
Yeah thats great and everything, apart from the fact a large chunk of people have clearly voted leave as a form of protest to what you describe, and inadvertently have royally fecked themselves any everyone over, short and long term.
 

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I'm abroad so didn't vote. Feel indifferent about it all really. I think the vote represents people of the U.K. not feeling represented by any political parties and that extends to the EU. From what I've read/heard I think this vote was about a lot more than the EU tbh. Majority of politicians are clearly out of touch.

I was kind of leaning towards leave (not confident that the EU can carry on without huge problems in the long term) but most of my family wanted to remain so I'd have preferred that outcome really.

I am interested to see what happens in Europe now. From what I understand the UK aren't alone in having an unfavourable view of the EU.
The reason people aren't represented is because they are generally too stupid and disengaged to vote for people who represent them in the first place. You get the government that you deserve.
 

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Well it is going to be a shitstorm for a while, but when the dust settles, i doubt the actual Brexit will happen. The most likely scenario is that it will take like years to even somewhat get the negotiations going, by that time EU might evolve, there might be some political rewiring and by the time the draft of UK leaving is ready, there might be another referendum.
 

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The most disheartening thing in all this is the celebration from the leave campaign.

Celebrating the literal ruining of every day lives for a substantial percentage of the UK population. Job uncertainty, career prospects, family in some cases. Sickening.
 

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You sense this will open up a can of worms in Ireland, too.
Not really. Rumour is that a few big companies in Northern Ireland were promised that border controls were never coming back no matter what the result was tonight.
We are now the only English speaking country left in the EU. The potential is huge if it swings the right way for us.
 

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Ironically, one of his advisers was on Sky shortly afterwards, and sounded more sincere than Chukka on the BBC.
Wouldn't surprise me , feck knows whats been going on with Corbyn and his camp during this referendum, barring the one big appearance on Sky News it's been a bit quite(Although how much that is down to him, I don't know). Also saw a bit of Chukka on the BBC and yeah he was decent enough(Still have no idea why he dropped out of the leadership race) although I think Labour is pretty done as a party now anyway.

This referendum result was the final nail in coffin for Labour.
 

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Wouldn't surprise me , feck knows whats been going on with Corbyn and his camp during this referendum, barring the one big appearance on Sky News it's been a bit quite(Although how much that is down to him, I don't know). Also saw a bit of Chukka on the BBC and yeah he was decent enough(Still have no idea why he dropped out of the leadership race) although I think Labour is pretty done as a party now anyway.

This referendum result was the final nail in coffin for Labour.
He was being exposed a rich wanker which wouldn't play will with Labour bleeding heart middle class leftists or their working class supporters. As it happened, they only really found a leader who could cater to the middle class leftists.
 

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He was being exposed a rich wanker which wouldn't play will with Labour bleeding heart middle class leftists or their working class supporters. As it happened, they only really found a leader who could cater to the middle class leftists.
My take is the class/background of the leader doesn't actually matter. It is used as an excuse/reason to dislike someone when you disagree with them. But at the end of the day it is founded upon what they are saying. Farage has managed to connect with working class people because he is telling them what they want to hear, despite being the privately educated, commodities trading, son of a stockbroker.
 

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My take is the class/background of the leader doesn't actually matter. It is used as an excuse/reason to dislike someone when you disagree with them. But at the end of the day it is founded upon what they are saying. Farage has managed to connect with working class people because he is telling them what they want to hear, despite being the privately educated, commodities trading, son of a stockbroker.
Is this the norm now? fecking Trump used the same tactics and succeeded.
 

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My take is the class/background of the leader doesn't actually matter. It is used as an excuse/reason to dislike someone when you disagree with them. But at the end of the day it is founded upon what they are saying. Farage has managed to connect with working class people because he is telling them what they want to hear, despite being the privately educated, commodities trading, son of a stockbroker.
It was more the fact that he was a member of a millionaires only club that made people think "wait, is he one of the arseholes?" rather than something from his background or past.
 

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He was being exposed a rich wanker which wouldn't play will with Labour bleeding heart middle class leftists or their working class supporters. As it happened, they only really found a leader who could cater to the middle class leftists.
That's a bit harsh, Corbyn was the best of the ''lot'' during the leadership race(Well I thought so anyway)so it can't be blamed too much on him and his voters. And I like Chukka but he's at best decent, a set up from Milband but hardly in the same league as Blair(I say this as someone who dislikes Blair a lot)is that enough to change anything I'm not to sure.

Still I don't think it matter too much who's leader at the moment or really who's been the leader recent past, Labour as a party have been in declined for years and in working class areas it's been in decline for decades(Blair never really won the working class vote and that was Labour at it's strongest), this referendum has just enforced the fact that Labour as a party don't have a chance of getting elected into power, well not with the current voting system anyway.
 

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The greatest example in a long time why you don't do full blown democracy. Average person is dumb and then half them are even dumber.
Between this and Trump in America, the Chinese will be feeling pretty smug about their political system.
 
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"Project Fear"

 
Political Correspondent for the Financial Times: Labour MPs have been told to say: "Corbyn has showed he is far closer to the centre of gravity of the British public than other politicians"

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He can feck off.
 

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Not really. Rumour is that a few big companies in Northern Ireland were promised that border controls were never coming back no matter what the result was tonight.
We are now the only English speaking country left in the EU. The potential is huge if it swings the right way for us.
Poor Malta...
 

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He can feck off.
Yeah feck that

Labour's campaign leadership has been shit (Corbyn did his usual fairly sensible position that completely failed to connect with the people who's minds he need to change. Alan Johnson seems to have disappeared, did I miss something with him?). I know this isn't a widely shared sentiment but McDonnell is the main redeeming factor of the current leadership team. The Tory Brexit line seemed like a fruitful campaign direction that wasn't voiced loudly enough.
 

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He can feck off.
Also, he campaigned for Remain. You can't say you are closer to the centre of British political gravity because you rated the EU 7-7.5 out of 10 on the fecking Last Leg.
 

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Yeah thats great and everything, apart from the fact a large chunk of people have clearly voted leave as a form of protest to what you describe, and inadvertently have royally fecked themselves any everyone over, short and long term.
Not sure where I suggested anything was great.

The reason people aren't represented is because they are generally too stupid and disengaged to vote for people who represent them in the first place. You get the government that you deserve.
Seemed to me there's a large division within the two major parties so not sure who's voting incorrectly in that case.

Only sharing my thoughts anyway not really that bothered so I'll leave you all to it.
 

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Can someone list the pros for this? Want to understand why people have gone for it.
 

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Yeah feck those guys..
In realistic 'Base your company here with our joke of a tax system' but yes you are correct sir.
You do know that our tax system is based on the UK one don't you?
 

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Yeah feck that

Labour's campaign leadership has been shit (Corbyn did his usual fairly sensible position that completely failed to connect with the people who's minds he need to change. Alan Johnson seems to have disappeared, did I miss something with him?). I know this isn't a widely shared sentiment but McDonnell is the main redeeming factor of the current leadership team. The Tory Brexit line seemed like a fruitful campaign direction that wasn't voiced loudly enough.
Yeah no idea what happened with Johnson, barely saw him other than a few appearances on This Week and a couple of set piece speeches. Only Labour MP that really comes out enhanced from this is Gisela Stewart.
Also, he campaigned for Remain. You can't say you are closer to the centre of British political gravity because you rated the EU 7-7.5 out of 10 on the fecking Last Leg.
Exactly. It's setting him up in comparison to leadership challengers, not the Tory PM who's likely to be an actual Leaver. His keenest supporters were among the keenest EU supporters ffs.
 

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So given the Caf's result… should the UK electorate have a newbie system?
 

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You do know that our tax system is based on the UK one don't you?
Our coporation tax is a joke and without Britain in the EU it bolsters our standing. The EU tried to pass laws to raise the rates of our corporate dealings after all.
Only damage could be if an unregualted Britain slashes everything to undercut the EU but until that happens we're safe.
 

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Yeah no idea what happened with Johnson, barely saw him other than a few appearances on This Week and a couple of set piece speeches. Only Labour MP that really comes out enhanced from this is Gisela Stewart.

Exactly. It's setting him up in comparison to leadership challengers, not the Tory PM who's likely to be an actual Leaver. His keenest supporters were among the keenest EU supporters ffs.
Yep. Given the party is struggling for prominent figures/heavy hitters, leaving aside the result, Labour really missed an opportunity to build some reputations.

Perhaps the centre can reclaim the party by appealing to the EU supporters that Corbyn might turn away from. As you say I imagine the majority of those who voted for Corbyn are pro-EU, and like me will consider him to have turned against them by disowning Remain as soon as it has lost.

I stand by my decision to vote for him as I am fairly stridently left wing and was utterly unimpressed by the other candidates, but I wouldn't vote for him in another leadership election.
 

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Don't know. Not even saying this from left/right point of view, it may well be that someone on Corbyn's side of the party resonates more with northern voters, but he himself is not the one that can do it.

But maybe the party are just fecked.
Can't be more fecked than the Tories. Whole system is a fecking car crash now.