Classical Mechanic
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Fellani any day. He has guts. Schneiderlin on the other hand.
Cleverley was better.And people said he was good in the 1st half. He's Tom Cleverley 2.0
He's not good enough for this club. Southampton is his level.
Since when?He is a holding mid. It's his speciality.
Probably. Did play for a title winning team.Cleverley was better.
Always. He's never played box to box.Since when?
He was one of the best CM's in the league the season before we bought him. He might not be good enough for us but that's just a bollocks statement.Been saying he is nowhere near good enough for months and have been told I have an agenda. Yes I do have an agenda, to get Schneiderlin sold as I truly believe he isn't even premier league quality.
And yet so many seem incapable of grasping it.Yeah it's a very difficult concept to grasp, in fairness. Takes a real football guru to get your head around it.
Well he has. At Southampton, when he was played next to Wanyama, he got forward quite a lot.Always. He's never played box to box.
Bollocks.Always. He's never played box to box.
No he didn't. While at Southampton he was 1st in the league for interceptions and 1st or 2nd for tackles, the rest of his defensive numbers were very impressive whereas his dribbles/take ons/shots/key passes and all the attributes you associate with a box to box CM where non existent. 14 goals in 230 appearances when half were in the championship isn't a box to box cm.Well he has. At Southampton, when he was played next to Wanyama, he got forward quite a lot.
Ermm, no. He's a defensive midfielder, his job is to literally defend and shield the back four.He's just a very limited player in truth. Just seems so pointless.
No you.Bollocks.
He's a box to box, or at least played as a box to box for Soton. I like him more as a DM as he is really too limited to play more advanced though.No you.
He played ahead of Wanayama in midfield. Interceptions aren't just clocked up in front of the back four.No he didn't. While at Southampton he was 1st in the league for interceptions and 1st or 2nd for tackles, the rest of his defensive numbers were very impressive whereas his dribbles/take ons/shots/key passes and all the attributes you associate with a box to box CM where non existent. 14 goals in 230 appearances when half were in the championship isn't a box to box cm.
I've already replied to a poster above who claimed the same thing. He never played box to box for Southampton.He's a box to box, or at least played as a box to box for Soton. I like him more as a DM as he is really too limited to play more advanced though.
I'm not looking at stats, I'm watching the games and the positioning of Schneiderlin. There's no way he sat in front of the back four.No he didn't. While at Southampton he was 1st in the league for interceptions and 1st or 2nd for tackles, the rest of his defensive numbers were very impressive whereas his dribbles/take ons/shots/key passes and all the attributes you associate with a box to box CM where non existent. 14 goals in 230 appearances when half were in the championship isn't a box to box cm.
He played alongside Wanyama for 2 of his 6 years at the club, not ahead of him. What about every other metric that you could possibly use then? His touches in the final 3rd/shots per game/passes in final 3rd and basically every area you'd expect a box to box to excel at he's non existent. But tackles/interceptions/duels/clearances and every defensive attribute he was top 3 in the league.He played ahead of Wanayama in midfield. Interceptions aren't just clocked up in front of the back four.
Most of you barely watched 5 Southampton games a year and half would have been against us. Stats are far more useful for judging a player than your "well i saw him do this so stats mean nothing" Herrera/Dembele/Ramires/Henderson all rank higher than Schneiderlin in basically all of the attacking stats I've cited anyway.I'm not looking at stats, I'm watching the games and the positioning of Schneiderlin. There's no way he sat in front of the back four.
Stats mean nothing. I mean, how many goals did Cleverley score for us whilst he was here, despite having licence to get forward? Herrera, Dembele, Ramires, Henderson the same.
(6+8):2=7Oh, christ. We're not back to arguing about whether or not Schneiderlin was a 6 or an 8, are we? Again? For the billionth time?
Morgan and Wanyama were a double pivot. They were a great partnership because they knew when to fill in, when to drop off, when to go forwards. Neither of them were a defined 6 or 8. Look at their average position or heatmaps from that season. I posted them in last season's Schneiderlin thread, more than once, because it's a fecking bent argument that just won't die. They played the same position in tandem. They were very good at it. Enough.
Now stop talking about it forever and ever.
Probably instructed to do so.He's got confidence issues, he was quadruple the player he is now at Southampton and after we sell him to spurs or Everton I reckon he'll impress again. Btw why was he so deep? does he think he's a 3rd defender or something?