General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .

Nytram Shakes

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So can the Lib Dems get big gains as the only party (alongside SNP) promising to block BREXIT? Can BREXIT be blocked now Article 50 has been triggered?
supreme court Judge said it can't be retracted..... i don't really know what good it would be promising to block Brexit now? apart from on a principle
 

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I actually think, people earning the £40k-£50k region pay the least tax. Rich enough to stick anything above £40k into your pension to stay as a low-rater. And putting £10k a year into your pension over 30 years will turn into around £1m using 6.5% above inflation.

25% tax free = £250k tax free
6% on the remainder = £40k a year, about the lower tax band rate


Really... blimey. Weird rules.
Should hire you for pension advice!!!
 

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Do you really pay too much tax?
Yes.
Already donated.
Same.
Also, the poor don't exist.
They do, we just don't like them much in the UK.
40% is a good figure really. For every 10 hours you work, you are working 4 hours for the government.
Then, with the 6 hours you do work for yourself, every few minutes you have do a minute here or there for the government as well for VAT, Road Tax, Duty... they're a needy spouse.
Anyone who doesn't believe in society and is well off for whatever reason should obviously vote Tory.
What if you're both of those things, but pro-European?
Thats the lib dems fecked then.

Blair's about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit.
At least people know who he is instead of Timmy.
 

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Thats the lib dems fecked then.

Blair's about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit.
I'm not sure. I think those who want to keep on centralising Iraq want him to be but in recent years/times I think Blair's considered a fairly moderate voice and throw-back to the days where governments seemed to know what the feck they were doing. Major the same, only minus the Iraq baggage. I think both men are more respected in the context of today's chaos than detractors want them to be.
 

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Surprised at May calling one, but the script is written now.

Labour will obviously lose seats. Hopefully the SNP do as well.
 

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I'm not sure. I think those who want to keep on centralising Iraq want him to be but in recent years/times I think Blair's considered a fairly moderate voice and throw-back to the days where governments seemed to know what the feck they were doing. Major the same, only minus the Iraq baggage. I think both men are more respected in the context of today's chaos than detractors want them to be.
There is far more to blair than iraq.

He has sold his government contacts to every dictator and would be despot in the world, made an absolute fortune. He is everything that people despise about the political class all rolled up into one easily hated figure. There is a reason his expenses records were all 'lost'. A man who enters downing street owning a single home worth £350K and leaves it 10 years later with a £13 million property portfolio (now swelled to well over £40 million) is not a man you trust.
 

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We are back to the heart of the BrExit immigrant debate who are willing to work harder, but older born natives think they have a divine right to get the same with less.

I dont think I was born intellectually gifted. Maybe all people should have studied 4 hours every night after school, get qualifications and get good employment. Its possible for all.

Perhaps all my critics should focus it towards the Labour party. This is why they are currently unelectable because they will lose millions of voters like me in this next election due to CorbynOmics.
And you went to private school.

Is this really that hard to understand? I believe you. I'm sure you and your parents work very hard, maybe harder than most, it doesn't really matter. I also believe that a lot of very rich people (maybe even richer than you) don't work very hard at all and some poor people work very hard too.

Arguing that your good fortune (which in this case may be being born to parents who would put themselves through the mill to give you a leg up in life (although I'd be interested to know what jobs they were working 14 hours a day to give you the chances they did)) has nothing whatsoever to do with how comparatively well off you are now is, for lack of a better word, bollocks.
 

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Thats the lib dems fecked then.

Blair's about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit.
I'm not sure about that, unfortunately as Ol' Dripping Red Hands went down a storm on Unspun the other week. He's got more apologists than every religion on the planet combined and the ease that sycophants like John McTernan get media appearances means he'll never go away. He'll probably become the first real life version of those talking heads from Futurama as well to carry on well into the future.
 

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I mean, if you Salary Sacrifice you get the whole lot put into your pension either way.
It's been scrapped. I used to do that.
:lol: I have to stop myself picking up on tax things in the CE far too often, in this case I thought you might have forgotten and I wouldn't want you over contributing, 'cos I know you make the big bucks!
:lol:I wish. Our respective specialist knowledge areas are not for use as small talk at parties!
 

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Education:I went to a private school, My parents were not mega rich but made the investment. Same for my kids

Health: private health provided by employer. I was once very sick with Ulcerative Colitis (see Fletcher thread) and hospitalised for 3 months, in private hospital. Same of all my family. Been to GP maybe 5 times in my entire life (because you haver to to access private health)

State Pension: I pay into a private pension. If I get the 6k, great it will pay for lunch

How much tax do you really pay? The most the Government takes!


Im using myself as an illustrative example: I know lots of people like me who voted labour all our life. But if Corbyns now wants even more from me for his 'fair society'. How is it fair on me, after working 10-12 hours every day for past 20 years and studying really really hard at school?
Your parents came here with nothing but got rich enough quick enough to put 5 kids through private school. What class of drug did they deal?

Where do you think the vast majority of those teachers that taught you and your kids got schooled, privately? What about the doctors?

What about all the other services like transport, security, etc etc etc which you use daily?

Wind your bullshitting neck in.
 

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Your parents came here with nothing but got rich enough quick enough to put 5 kids through private school. What class of drug did they deal?

Where do you think the vast majority of those teachers that taught you and your kids got schooled, privately? What about the doctors?

What about all the other services like transport, security, etc etc etc which you use daily?

Wind your bullshitting neck in.
Well, he is paying his taxes.
 

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I trust the Tories to guide us through Brexit more than Corbyn. The man is completely clueless and weak.
They will get rid of workers rights, any sort of decent regulation and turn whatever is left of the UK into a tax heaven. Not to mentioned they will continue their assault on the NHS, Disable People, Immigrates and further the views of the right to far right in England and Wales. Whats to trust ?

And even on the Corbyn point(We won't agree on the weak point, but I'll point out that he didn't buckle at the Labour Coup and the media pressure during it)fine you think he's shite but still wouldn't a Labour government be better than this Tory government ?
 

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As a life long Labour voter, member up until October last year I have to vote Lib Dem. Have to. Only party standing on an unequivocally pro-EU, anti-hard brexit platform.
Same here.

I agree with your sentiment, but it really depends on your constituency though.
It is hopeless in my Tory stronghold constituency, so it isn't hard decision really.
 

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Surprised at May calling one, but the script is written now.

Labour will obviously lose seats. Hopefully the SNP do as well.
Maybe one if you are lucky, I could see it being balanced out with them gaining remaining Labour seat too. I will be voting SNP unless something drastically changes.
 

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"You and your paper can feck off."
They will get rid of workers rights, any sort of decent regulation and turn whatever is left of the UK into a tax heaven. Not to mentioned they will continue their assault on the NHS, Disabled People, Immigrants and further the views of the right to far right in England and Wales. Whats to trust ?

And even on the Corbyn point(We won't agree on the weak point, but I'll point out that he didn't buckle at the Labour Coup and the media pressure during it)fine you think he's shite but still wouldn't a Labour government be better than this Tory government ?
You need to put that first paragraph in spoiler tags or you'll give sammsky a semi.
 

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I dont think I was born intellectually gifted. Maybe all people should have studied 4 hours every night after school, get qualifications and get good employment. Its possible for all.
No. No it bloody well isn't. Your outlook on this is staggeringly stupid.
 

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And you went to private school.

Is this really that hard to understand? I believe you. I'm sure you and your parents work very hard, maybe harder than most, it doesn't really matter. I also believe that a lot of very rich people (maybe even richer than you) don't work very hard at all and some poor people work very hard too.

Arguing that your good fortune (which in this case may be being born to parents who would put themselves through the mill to give you a leg up in life (although I'd be interested to know what jobs they were working 14 hours a day to give you the chances they did)) has nothing whatsoever to do with how comparatively well off you are now is, for lack of a better word, bollocks.
Agree 100%. I think if sammsky1 was honest with himself then he'd come to the realisation that for most people, voting in their own best interest is what they'll do. No shame in that.
I was lucky enough to have private schooling for secondary school and trust me, even if your grades are only marginally better than what you would have got elsewhere, it gives you a huge leg up in lots of other ways.

Its why I'm currently working my nuts off trying to give my own kids the same leg up.
 

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What has? Salary Sacrifice into pension? I don't think so...
Was in the Budget.

As disclosed this week by the Sunday Telegraph Philip Hammond says he will tighten rules that allow workers to forgo part of their salary in return for certain work benefits.

He said this "salary sacrifice" system is "unfair", and so from April 2017 the tax benefits of using these schemes will be scrapped.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/news/autumn-statement-workers-lose-tax-breaks-perks/
 

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Surprised at May calling one, but the script is written now.
Why surprised? She'll almost certainly get a large majority and wont have to fight another election the year after Britain brashes out of Europe, giving her a few extra years to try and mount a recovery.

Oh and a large majority would also allow the pricks to basically rewrite EU legislation into British law in whatever twisted fashion they see fit.
 

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Atos previously and capita now are making millions out of assessments. Brought in by blairs lot atos were actually banned from operating their business in several US states, described in court as running 'disability denial factories', but they still employed these people.

80% of their decisions are overturned, they get a bonus for every person they take off benefits. It is not returned when the desicion gets overturned. That is where the money is really going.

To capita, to atos, to virgin. In fact, richard branson is currently suing the tax payer for compensation because he did not get a government contract he wanted.
Yep and the Labour love of PFI too. Mitie are another bunch of cretins.
 

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Was in the Budget.

As disclosed this week by the Sunday Telegraph Philip Hammond says he will tighten rules that allow workers to forgo part of their salary in return for certain work benefits.

He said this "salary sacrifice" system is "unfair", and so from April 2017 the tax benefits of using these schemes will be scrapped.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/news/autumn-statement-workers-lose-tax-breaks-perks/
Pensions are exempted. From your link
Salary sacrifice schemes to be subject to the same tax as cash income from April 2017 (pensions, childcare and cycle-to-work schemes exempted)
 

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Anyway.... after 10 pages of talking about tax....

So. Tories. They suck.