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If he doesn't think he is part of our future just because he isn't getting into the squad at the moment, he's an idiot.
Sarcasm or do you generally think Lingard is League 1/2 quality?
That outlook is perfectly fine. You just can't complain if he or any other player does leave to a club that will create a path for them.
The guy is 17. He doesn’t even start for England u17s. To play him at united now is very very premature (I know we already played him last season)
He went into the tournament injured but the latter stages were the managers preference. I can't remember the LWs name from Chelsea but he played very well in the final and creating most of England's opportunities using his pace and strength.
Which do they think they are, trying to develop talent?
No I don't think Lingard is a League 1/2 quality, neither he is Manchester United quality, or will ever be.
Thanks bud. Foden maybe, iirc? Also that Brewster kid from Pool, CF, scored a crap load of goals.
I know he is 17, and that he is not even playing for the U-23, which was discussed previously as one of the reason for Gomes not signing the contract. But when you look at the dross Mkhitaryan, Lingard and Mata served us in some matches, i really think we can only gain by giving Gomes some of those minutes.
Maybe if we were in City's position of scoring loads and killing off most games early we could share minutes but as it is we're in a dog fight with 4 other teams and its too much of a risk to throw an unproven 17 year old into the mix. Best he can hope for is an injury crisis on the level of 2 years ago which saw Rashford breakthrough.
Sometimes, all a young player needs is an assurance that the management of the first team is consciously and intentional about creating a pathway into the first team as he progressively develops his trade.
I think the best we can hope for is compensation, not sure we can submit a buy back clause but we'll see, maybe if we lower the fee. The signs aren't good an I conceded we were losing him a few months back, Real, Barca & Dortmund all linked with him isn't a good sign.
That's the one, looked really good in the final but iirc someone said he'd played u23 football so was physically more developed more than others?
I would use City's case for a different example. If we had De Bruyne, B. Silva and D. Silva playing in those positions than fair enough, we would really risk too much by playing a 17 year old Angel Gomes. But in reality we have very inconsistent Mkhitaryan who never really proved anything here, Juan Mata who has been very ordinary and Jesse Lingard. I'm not saying we should play Gomes in the same capacity as the three of them played, but we can definitely give the kid some minutes since the three mentioned offer feck all anyway.
Got a subbed in late against Frankfurt and Bayern. Bosz can't exactly hand out minutes to kids in his/the team's current situation, especially not to a 17 year old who missed the pre season. Zagadou is getting plenty of minutes and Sancho will get them as well if he keeps working hard.
Yeah I don't know Gomes' contract situation but I assume he is out of contract this summer? If he is out of contract, there's no hope of us inserting any sort of clause, as he will be free to leave. We'll only be due compensation. Unless we obviously plan on sorting his future out during January.
Not at all. "Everything" includes putting the interests of the player above that of the team. If Mourinho thinks he's not ready to contribute to the first team yet, then that's that. We shouldn't compromise the team to make Gomes happy.
If you think the Mkhi, Mata and Lingard performances have been dross just wait until you see a clueless 17 year old in the team!
To be fair to Moyes he reportedly took a pretty big interest while here and wasn't impressed with the set-up and was planning big changes. He was also regularly in attendance for the u21s matches.
By everything it doesn't have to mean putting him above club's interests, maybe I put it out wrongly, I meant everything what is in our hands (ex. giving him a nice contract and clear plan and show intent that we want him to stay).
Same goes for us, we can’t afford to play Gomes in our current situation. Why would he try get a move to BVB? He’ll get his time hereGot a subbed in late against Frankfurt and Bayern. Bosz can't exactly hand out minutes to kids in his/the team's current situation, especially not to a 17 year old who missed the pre season. Zagadou is getting plenty of minutes and Sancho will get them as well if he keeps working hard.
They arent trying to do that, they are signing players on a free to turn them back round and sell them to the same club for tens of millions in a couple of years time.
Foden does play for City as a right sided forward/winger.
He's just turned 17, Jose gave him his debut. He's no Rooney give it a rest.
