I bet if we were to check home record vs teams in white shirts, LVG would be even more impressive. Checkmate Jose apologists.
Our home record/form
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Well this thread is a perfect example of ridiculous moaners isnt it 
Well that isn't in the slightest bit elitist of you.
Not trying to be a WUM but reality is many supporters absolutely crucified LVG and had no issues roaring "attack, attack, attack" like spoiled children, yet here we are with Jose, the Supporters choice (for many) and he's on course to possibly score less than LVG over a two year period, with a better squad might I add and he's being defended?
As of yesterday we have scored 57 goals with Jose and LVG managed 68. With Liverpool and City on the horizon, nothing is certain. Going to be very close games and of course I want us to smash them both but I'm not taking it for granted.
Is that not a fair point to make and allowed to be discussed?
Forgetting the managers involved and putting aside personal feelings towards each manager involved and be objective. I was actually surprised myself when I looked at the numbers and posted them, didn't expect there to be such a reaction to be honest.
There's obvious improvement but certainly not anything like some suggest. Personally find many of our games incredibly boring to watch myself, out of the 42 games we've played this season I'd be struggling to find 10 games I really enjoyed for the most part. Certainly not alone in that respect as I can see plenty of comments on here saying the same. Many of our games feel like groundhog day, we really struggle to break sides down and lack any fluidity and while we've plenty of talented individuals we don't function as a team yet. We are extremely predictable and offer little down the right side, everything is either from the left or through the middle like a battering ram.
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I was trying to show the progression in results at home, the fact that we have a great record and break teams down that sit deep. You’ve decided to bring LVG into this and include last season to put a negative twist on it.
It’s honesty getting a bit tiring on here.
Another win 
During the (American) telecast today, NBC ran a stat claiming that in EPL history we have only lost 3 times at home when we've scored the first goal, out of like 300-plus matches. Wonder how true that is...
How about now?
Yep, and the last time was to Liverpool back in 08/09. Incredible stat.
19/10/01: Man Utd 1:2 Bolton (Sam Allardyce)
10/05/05: Man Utd 1:3 Chelsea (Jose Mourinho)
14/03/09: Man Utd 1:4 Liverpool (Rafael Benitez)
Sky said that in our history we’ve never lost a game at Old Trafford after going up 2-0. Unbelievable stat if true.
The last time the other members of the top 6 lost at home in the league after scoring the first goal:
Arsenal
14/08/16: Arsenal 3:4 Liverpool (Jurgen Klopp)
Chelsea
01/04/17: Chelsea 1:2 Crystal Palace (Sam Allardyce)
Liverpool
23/04/17: Liverpool 1:2 Crystal Palace (Sam Allardyce)
Manchester City
03/12/16: Man City 1:3 Chelsea (Antonio Conte) - was also the last time they lost at home in the league
Tottenham Hotspur
08/05/16: Spurs 1:2 Southampton (Ronald Koeman)
Arsenal
14/08/16: Arsenal 3:4 Liverpool (Jurgen Klopp)
Chelsea
01/04/17: Chelsea 1:2 Crystal Palace (Sam Allardyce)
Liverpool
23/04/17: Liverpool 1:2 Crystal Palace (Sam Allardyce)
Manchester City
03/12/16: Man City 1:3 Chelsea (Antonio Conte) - was also the last time they lost at home in the league
Tottenham Hotspur
08/05/16: Spurs 1:2 Southampton (Ronald Koeman)
Wow
Yeah, we're pretty damn good.
This is a good one. I’d be interested to know how it compares to the other big boys.
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Some intial research at soccerstats.com suggests there’s less than 10 games a season where the home side leads at HT and loses at FT. Surprising how low it is.
City last lost in 16/17 1-2 to Chelsea at Etihad when 1-0 at HT!
Spurs lost to Newcastle in 14/15 with the same pattern too.
Chelsea lost 3-5 to Arsenal in 11/12 when 2-1 at HT.
Arsenal lost 2-3 to Spurs in 10/11 when 2-0 at HT.
Liverpool lost 1-2 to Arsenal in 09/10 when 1-0 at HT.
We’ve not lost at home leading at HT in the league since 1983/14! What a fecking outlier that is! I wasn’t sure how impressive that stat was until now!
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All these stats give me great hope in the CL.
Yeah, this is mind blowingly awesome. Basically if we scored the first goal against Sevilla, we're like 90% chance to win. Assuring!!Ah hindsight.
If you have "skills", i'd hate to hear someone without them
1 home defeat per season this last 2 years. Not too bad at all.
If a 1 goal defeat is a "royal dicking", i'd hate to be around you when we lose by 2.
Home losses in the CL after scoring the first goal since 00/01 season:
17/10/01: Man Utd 2:3 Deportivo La Coruna
05/03/13: Man Utd 1:2 Real Madrid
CL home record since start of 00/01 season:
Played: 84
Won: 61
Drawn: 17
Lost: 6
17/10/01: Man Utd 2:3 Deportivo La Coruna
05/03/13: Man Utd 1:2 Real Madrid
CL home record since start of 00/01 season:
Played: 84
Won: 61
Drawn: 17
Lost: 6
And in Real Game we have been robbed!
He didn't believe we would beat CFC...which we now have.
He didn't believe we would beat LFC...which we now have.
He moans about Spurs...who we beat and are ahead of in the league.
When placing bets on football matches, we should consult this guy. Any result which he predicts, we should bet on the opposite, because he'll get it wrong.
I guess the mods also found what he wrote so ridiculous, that they thought, "ban him".
True.
But the manager of that Real Madrid team, now manages us
Hopefully his luck will now work for us.
The Madrid game still makes me sick. Perfect game plan and flawless performance from everyone ruined by a red card. Tactically wise it was one of the best Fergie's games this season. Won't be remembered for that anymore thanks to a fecking red card.
There are some absolute gems in this thread.
I remember Mou's words after the game "the best team lost"True.
But the manager of that Real Madrid team, now manages us
Hopefully his luck will now work for us.
Another win
Let me guess. Conte with 3 DMF, not boring enough? Simone playing 451?
I just can't understand what happened vs Sevilla. Our season has been pretty good overall but that one game just changed everything
They done a Jose on us.
Sat back,decided to give nothing away,hopefully go into the last 20 mins at 0-0 or 1 down(an away goal would have seen them through)then hit us with a sucker punch.
They brought on their top scorer and with us chasing the game hit us again.
If we had done that Jose would have been lauded.
Apart from the loss vs the berts, it’s over two years since we lost at home
In the league you mean. We just lost at home to Seville
I noticed
Wow, thats impressive
We have dropped some silly points this season, which has really widened that gap. Leicester, Southampton and Burnley spring to mind, even then it's still a huge gap. City just haven't dropped stupid points.
Obviously the style of play skews people's perceptions as well, and so it should. It's tough to see us spend what we have and play the way we do, then look across the city and see City absolute dominate and strangle teams.
We've been shown the standard this year. So it'll be interesting to see how we react next year. City aren't going to get worse. We have to build on our home success...and add that something extra. I don't think this is a 'one off' from City.
This is the standard that Pep has set. You can't afford to lose more than a couple of games .You certainly can't be dropping 6 points in 9 against teams outside the top 6 in a row.
We gave City the title at Christmas. Before the City game at home we were talking about the possibility of being 2 points behind them. That turned into 8 and by the time we knew it, that was 14...and it was done.
Our attitude and reaction after that Leicester game sums us up, as does the amount of times this season we have conceded first and come back to win. Fragile mentally, worryingly one dimensional and lacking in some balls when things aren't going our way
We were horrible at times under Fergie, all was not rosey in the garden around 2004 for a few years...but where SAF shone was his ability to adapt to the challenges he faced. Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool threw some very different problems, and Ferguson adapted his approach and moved with the times.
Mourinho needs to show that same desire, that same craft and that same ability. If not? Then the job is too big for him.
Obviously the style of play skews people's perceptions as well, and so it should. It's tough to see us spend what we have and play the way we do, then look across the city and see City absolute dominate and strangle teams.
We've been shown the standard this year. So it'll be interesting to see how we react next year. City aren't going to get worse. We have to build on our home success...and add that something extra. I don't think this is a 'one off' from City.
This is the standard that Pep has set. You can't afford to lose more than a couple of games .You certainly can't be dropping 6 points in 9 against teams outside the top 6 in a row.
We gave City the title at Christmas. Before the City game at home we were talking about the possibility of being 2 points behind them. That turned into 8 and by the time we knew it, that was 14...and it was done.
Our attitude and reaction after that Leicester game sums us up, as does the amount of times this season we have conceded first and come back to win. Fragile mentally, worryingly one dimensional and lacking in some balls when things aren't going our way
We were horrible at times under Fergie, all was not rosey in the garden around 2004 for a few years...but where SAF shone was his ability to adapt to the challenges he faced. Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool threw some very different problems, and Ferguson adapted his approach and moved with the times.
Mourinho needs to show that same desire, that same craft and that same ability. If not? Then the job is too big for him.
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funny you mention the Leicester game. It's games like that which sum up an issue with Mourinho. Rather than go for a goal that will kill the game we sit back and try and protect what we have.
it cost us V Leicester, it nearly cost us V Liverpool when we handed them the impetus. Even against a dire Swansea at the weekend if Abraham scores with 20 mins to go it means we end up with a very nervy finish
the intensity in our play only seems to be there for a half.... how many games can you say we've played well for the 90 mins
I disagree. They showed far more desire going forward then us. Played the ball frequently through our MF, got into great situations, outshot us, more efforts on target and had an even share of the ball.
That's not how Mourinho approaches big games at all.
If Seville had a handful of shots at goal, with 30% odd of the ball and pumped long to a target man it'd be more akin to Mourinho away from home against a big side.
Away to Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea, Sevilla and at home to City are typical examples for me. Sevilla didnt do that...
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Was saying the same about Swansea the weekend. Ridiculous second half.
ToTo be fair with regards to Leicester game we missed an open goal and a couple of excellent chances to make it 3. I didn't mind our approach. It was our reaction over Christmas to that set back which had me fecking furious. We wanted a reaction. We got very little.
Did you watch the game? They took the game to us and it was Utd sitting back hoping to catch them on the break. The way we set up at home was cowardly against an average CL side who looked a lot better because of Mous tactics
Mourinho has always had a good record at home in the league with his sides and he has turned OT into a fortress again. The oddity is we mainly either play well first half or second not both. If he could just be a bit braver against all teams away from home, we may have been a bit closer to City. This will have to be addressed next season if we are to win the league. All the other teams will spend a fortune and Chelsea will probably spend the most, so lets hope Mou gets it right in who we bring in to take us to the next level. Next season will be the season the board will judge him on I think.