But it's not our home, we haven't been there for seasons we have played what around 30 games there. Sure all the hordings are electronic and change constantly, I'm not buying that.
Who decided Spurs could use Wembley?
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I know that but even when fans don't much noise, teams play well at home.
Again il say we have only played I'm guessing around 30 games there. Most fans will tell you when you move stadium it takes a few seasons to become your "home".
Not sure what that has anything to do with my point.
Imagine that Old Trafford is full with City fans and we play City. Do people think it would make any difference that our players know the pitch better? I don't believe it. The fans make the big difference, not the pitch. People are clutching at straws because they don't quite believe in this team. The home advanatage at Wembley will be practically insignificant and could be nullified by the pressure on Spurs to win because they will look a bit clueless if they miss another opportunity to win a trophey.
It isn't just the hoardings, that was just an example they used. It is all the available reference points. The change in Spurs's results there clearly shows an adaptation to the specific conditions of Wembley. It can't be to do with the crowd given that they were a constant from day one.
It is what it is, no use whinging about home advantage BS ...we had home advantage against Sevilla..end of debate
Has Jose said anything about this yet? I wouldn't honestly mind the game being played somewhere neautral.
I do totally agree that there is certainly a correlation between the two. No doubt in my mind but really there shouldn’t be is what I’m saying.
Sorry I didn’t make that very clear in my first post at all, I can see from the way I structured the sentence that you felt like I was being specific as in it doesn’t make any difference now. My apologies.
We will have 45,000 fans there.
Just wait a few weeks.
Not yet, but it'd be a surprise if he didn't bring it up. I wonder what his honest thoughts are on his Real Madrid team playing a Copa Del Rey final on their home ground. Admittedly it was an all Madrid final but Real Madrid would have had the advantage of being more familiar with the ground. Didn't bother Atletico much as they were good enough to win.
It doesn't clearly show it though really. There is no proof of the connection. There can be many reasons Spurs started slowly and picked up after. Every club has periods of form, slow starts, fast starts etc. Harry Kane never scoring in August is a better reason for their form improving after August if anything.
I'm pretty sure he will say that Tottenham are the favourites etc etc, home ground etc in his usual mind games way. Thing is the pressure really is on us be cause of the so called home advantage.
That would contradict your point that it’s all about the fans. If anything Wembley should’ve been better than White Hart Lane then. It may be a minimal advantage but it’s nonsense to suggest a team that has played over 20 games at a stadium in 7 or 8 months doesn’t have an advantage over a team who might play that number of games there over ten years if they’re incredibly successful.
It's a combination of being able to prepare to the game without traveling, no travel lag, having familiar ground that you are used to playing on, being able to spend time at your actual home during the build up etc.
Yeah I got your point. My brother used to ask the same question, how can it make difference in football? As in cricket the pitch is prepared just like how home team wants so there is clear advantage, whereas in football there is no concept like that.
All I answered is fans and the adrenaline effect.
I disagree. They were awful there in the CL and EL whilst their league form was excellent the season before and struggled the early part of this season.
That was Tottenham’s own decision. Nobody forced them to do that. Their own greed did. Why would anyone leap to their defence for that?
As unfair as it it’s not much of advantage. It will be 50/50 allocation
all the usual home Spurs boardings etc will be taking it down so it looks like a neutral FA cup venue. We’re used to playing on a big pitch anyway and with our big match day fan following it shouldn’t be a problem. I’m sure its not bothering the players one bit. Ok spurs might be more comfortable around the dressing rooms etc.. but the business will be done on the pitch.
That being said, I’m massively in favour of the semis being a neutral stadium, villa park, Hawthorns, St James’s park. All decent stadiums, obviously Villa park is the better one.
all the usual home Spurs boardings etc will be taking it down so it looks like a neutral FA cup venue. We’re used to playing on a big pitch anyway and with our big match day fan following it shouldn’t be a problem. I’m sure its not bothering the players one bit. Ok spurs might be more comfortable around the dressing rooms etc.. but the business will be done on the pitch. That being said, I’m massively in favour of the semis being a neutral stadium, villa park, Hawthorns, St James’s park. All decent stadiums, obviously Villa park is the better one.
That game where Ruud came off the bench to score twice was not a semi final
They couldn't play home games in European competition at White Hart Lane in 16/17, and had to play them elsewhere due to the partial demotion of WHL which UEFA said affected "access rights and delivery". They weren't forced in to Wembley, but the games were reportedly forced out of their own ground for European games. Playing 3 away games and 3 games not in your home ground in the CL group stages is quite a disadvantage, much more so than what they are supposedly gaining from playing an FA Cup semi final at Wembley. They got dumped out of a favourable Champions League group, and then got dumped out of the Europa League too.
Again, none of that was forced on Tottenham. They chose to build at that part of the ground before leaving the stadium. The two have no connection anyway.
Whilst that anecdotal view has some substance (and can equally be used to partially explain why some players take time to adapt to new clubs) the fact is that Spurs will have had a full seasons worth of games at Wembley.
To dismiss that as irrelevant / the slightest of advantage is proper daft.
We can't use it as an excuse though, the situation can be turned into an advantage.
Still, the F.A. are responsible for this not Spurs now nor Chelsea in the future. The national stadium shouldn't have been built in London but that's a different debate.
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I think it could also be argued that there is more pressure on us as we are seen as the "home team", Tottenham and pressure hasn't been a great mix lately.
I fully expect (and hope) that United win regardless if Wembley is Tottenham's home or not. Spurs are a team that simply don't know how to win trophies and they will be taken care of nicely by a Mourinho masterclass.
Ya, however they might be more comfortable and have more self belief since they have a great record there this season.
Old Trafford is actually wider and longer than Wembley so we can;'t use that excuse.
Playing at Wembley is no advantage to Spurs. This isn't White Hart Lane. Indeed if we are put in the away dressing room it may even hold us to a disadvantage.
I once again have to reference this study that concluded home field advantage is almost entirely down to refereeing bias.
http://freakonomics.com/2011/12/18/...advantageous-is-home-field-advantage-and-why/
http://freakonomics.com/2011/12/18/...advantageous-is-home-field-advantage-and-why/
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Well, if he does that will only serve to further undermine the belief in the United team that they can beat us.
You already use the away dressing room so you could get all the Spurs branding in there and the home still has the England branding. Apparently the Away dressing room at Wembley is the same side as the home one at WHL so that factored into the decision as well.
Really don't think it's going to make a difference when it comes to the semi final. We'll have 50/50 when it comes to ticket allocation and it's not as if the stadium is alien to United as we've played there many times before.
Well, I hope you're right of course!
A bit of unbiased reporting for you:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....m-get-home-fa-cup-semifinal-a3793551.html?amp
Tl;dr No advantage to Spurs; a little advantage, maybe; Spurs have an excellent record at Wembley; clearly a massive advantage.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....m-get-home-fa-cup-semifinal-a3793551.html?amp
Tl;dr No advantage to Spurs; a little advantage, maybe; Spurs have an excellent record at Wembley; clearly a massive advantage.
Villa park in general then! Ruuddddddd
Can you imagine the fuss a London club would make if they had to travel 200 miles to play us at a ground around the corner from OT we’d played on 30 times in the last 9 months for a supposedly neutral semi final ?
I hope Jose brings the biggest f****** red bus he can find, plonks it in front of De Gea, bores the viewers to bits and sneaks it 1-0 on penalties. He has to somehow nullify the injustice and I wouldn’t blame in the slightest if he just shuts up shop from the first minute.
I hope Jose brings the biggest f****** red bus he can find, plonks it in front of De Gea, bores the viewers to bits and sneaks it 1-0 on penalties. He has to somehow nullify the injustice and I wouldn’t blame in the slightest if he just shuts up shop from the first minute.
Meh, we beat Bayern at their ground to win the Champs League. We can certainly do Spurs at theirs for the FA Cup.
Watch it be a Man United v Southampton final now I've said that.
Watch it be a Man United v Southampton final now I've said that.
That study that gives no facts or figures and boils down to some guy saying it? Thanks. It’s really beneficial.
What a bizarre post. Who do you imagine would be punished by United playing 'shut up shop' football?
But regardless of venue, Mourinho won't care in any case about playing entertaining football.
It's a fair point. I wouldn't class it as Spurs' home ground per se. You had the dodgy start, but got used to it. That said, I'd rather it was at Villa Park.
I liked it when Wembley was shut and England played their qualifiers at OT, St James's Park etc...Gave far more fans the chance to see big games.