Tuchel turns down Bayern| German media speculating about PSG/Arsenal

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I am interested to see how Verratti, Rabiot and Lo Celso develop under him. Especially Verratti since he has stagnated over the years.
I can see him turning into an absolute monster. I hope so, it is time he gets coached by a proper manager suited to his qualitites
 

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According to Sky Sports Germany, Arsenal are spreading false Infos that Tuchel is going to Psg to take pressure of from Wenger
 

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According to Sky Sports Germany, Arsenal are spreading false Infos that Tuchel is going to Psg to take pressure of from Wenger
Yeah that would totally NOT surprise me. I mean come on Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang are like Tuchel´s babies. Ozil extends. If Tuchel really goes to Arsenal that decision was made two months ago and nobody told Wenger about it. Ozil must have known, too. Now they happily push for the EuroLeague title knowing it can´t save Wenger´s job.
 

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These leaks just keep following poor Tuchel around.
 

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Hope its us. Perfect fit for us. Get rid of our mediocre manager and his dinosaur tactics and bring in someone who fits our philosophies (develop talent, play attacking football, and spend tons of money). Him and Poch are the two guys who could take us back to relevance (assuming Pep would never be available)
Who do you support?
 

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Well, I don’t think he fits Bayern. No experience at a big club & somehow he himself doesn’t feel like he‘s ready (according to sources in Germany).
Technically, no one has experience at a big club until he/she manages a big club. It's the experience at a lower level club you have to use to judge whether the person can make the step up, and Tuchel has certainly shown that at Dortmund.
 

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Technically, no one has experience at a big club until he/she manages a big club. It's the experience at a lower level club you have to use to judge whether the person can make the step up, and Tuchel has certainly shown that at Dortmund.
Tuchel inherited everything Klopp left behind and was fired within a year or two wasn’t he? And nobody has gone leaps and bounds to hire him after that - so not sure about this sentiment. Dortmund sold a lot of players, but he also spent over 100M the same year.
 

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Yeah that would totally NOT surprise me. I mean come on Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang are like Tuchel´s babies. Ozil extends. If Tuchel really goes to Arsenal that decision was made two months ago and nobody told Wenger about it. Ozil must have known, too. Now they happily push for the EuroLeague title knowing it can´t save Wenger´s job.
You have absolutely no clue about Arsenal if you think all kinds of people, including players, have known Wenger is leaving only Wenger doesn't. You're posting fantasy stuff and speculation that, frankly, is extremely silly.
 

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Yeah that would totally NOT surprise me. I mean come on Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang are like Tuchel´s babies. Ozil extends. If Tuchel really goes to Arsenal that decision was made two months ago and nobody told Wenger about it. Ozil must have known, too. Now they happily push for the EuroLeague title knowing it can´t save Wenger´s job.
Would be amazing if that is the case to be honest. First with Tuchel-Mislintat healing old wounds and also because Tuchel seems the perfect for Arsenal with their philosophy and current players.
 

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Tuchel inherited everything Klopp left behind and was fired within a year or two wasn’t he? And nobody has gone leaps and bounds to hire him after that - so not sure about this sentiment. Dortmund sold a lot of players, but he also spent over 100M the same year.
He was fired because of infighting with the CEO and some big players in the team (Sahin, Schemlzer), in most of the cases Tuchel was in the right. Sahin, Schemzler are past it and Watze's decision to not delay the UCL quarter-final after the bomb attack was an insult to his team. Tuchel ultimately left with his head high after winning the German Cup, hardly a disgraceful exit.

And can you read the header of the thread? It says he rejected Bayern, what other team do you want him to attract? He's a top potential manager.
 

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These leaks just keep following poor Tuchel around.
So you are saying the leak that he turned down Bayernm because he already has an agreement with another club abroad came from Tuchel himself, not Bayern? I find that highly unlikely.
 

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Tuchel is a good coach and would be a big coup for Arsenal. He’s also a much better fit there than in PSG. PSG need a cup specialist that can handle Neymar’s ego and help them get over their CL hump.
 

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Tuchel is a good coach and would be a big coup for Arsenal. He’s also a much better fit there than in PSG. PSG need a cup specialist that can handle Neymar’s ego and help them get over their CL hump.
They've got one already, didn't work out too well for them.
 

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you want Tuchel here? do you not think it would be a risky appointment?
It wasnt me with the original comment, i just replied seeing it is obvious he is a United fan. But i assume the poster wants a more progressive and offensive type of football, better suited to our ethos. Poch and Tuchel may be risky in terms of managing a big club, but they have to start somewhere.
 

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So you are saying the leak that he turned down Bayernm because he already has an agreement with another club abroad came from Tuchel himself, not Bayern? I find that highly unlikely.
Why would Bayern leak that Tuchel turned the club down for another club? Why would they want that story out there at the moment?
 

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They've got one already, didn't work out too well for them.
I think what Emery is lacking is the right personality to deal with big ego's and big games. He's a good manager on other fronts, and like you say, a cup specialist.
 

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I dont know a lot about Tuchel but doesn't his reputation come from taking over Klopp's already very good Dortmund side?
 

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I think I'd enjoy that. We could really use some existential drama and a disastrous season for a change, it would be healthy. We're still mostly living of the quality of the treble winning side 5 years later and the only true attempt of rebuilding happened under Pep, but was mostly destroyed by injuries and a shitty replacement after Pep left.

We could have finalised the contract with Tuchel for months now. Obviously Hoeneß didn't want him and if Tuchel had a good offer at a foreign club, I fully understand him taking it over a late offer from Bayern. It's already difficult to work at Bayern if you have the support of the full board. It's surely a nightmare to start at Bayern without Hoeneß having your back.
First world problems. :lol: To be fair I see where you're coming from.
 

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Why would Bayern leak that Tuchel turned the club down for another club? Why would they want that story out there at the moment?
In general they can say to their fans that they tried to get the best German coach available. More importantly though Rummenigge could have a serious interest to leak this.

He can say that he got his #1 choice and "won" over Hoeness, but Tuchel turned them down. If his ego got bruised by having Tuchel turn them down, after Rummenigge probably fought hard for him internally, that´s also a personal reason to throw a little haymayker at Tuchel in the press. It also cleans himself (Rummenigge) of any possible failure of the new coach, if it´s a Hoeness preference like Nagelsmann or Hasenhüttl. So yeah I think Rummenigge (as part of Bayern) has multiple reasons to leak this.
 

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In general they can say to their fans that they tried to get the best German coach available. More importantly though Rummenigge could have a serious interest to leak this.

He can say that he got his #1 choice and "won" over Hoeness, but Tuchel turned them down. If his ego got bruised by having Tuchel turn them down, after Rummenigge probably fought hard for him internally, that´s also a personal reason to throw a little haymayker at Tuchel in the press. It also cleans himself (Rummenigge) of any possible failure of the new coach, if it´s a Hoeness preference like Nagelsmann or Hasenhüttl. So yeah I think Rummenigge (as part of Bayern) has multiple reasons to leak this.
I don't buy that. Making Tuchel look like Bayern's missed first choice primarily helps Tuchel's reputation and ego and hurts Bayern because it makes them look less in control and whoever they hire now will always be the "second choice" for the public. I don't see Rummenigge dragging this into the public in order to maybe hurt Hoeneß whose support is so strong he went back into power straight from jail.
We also have the funny little coincidence of Tuchel to Arsenal being leaked via German media (as opposed to English) basically in the same breath.
Then we have the funny little coincidence of the Hummels "either me or Tuchel" story in Kicker and Tuchel making a PR show out of his court testimony on the same day, the same week he supposedly turned down munich, a city he relocated his family to a couple of years ago. For a smaller club, where trophies seem much less likely and where he gets to enjoy working with his arch enemy again.
 
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Why will we want someone like Tuchel or Jardim. I just done understand. Yes, we all want us to play better football and improve, but some just want us to become the new Liverpool/Spurs/Arsenal so much that these names are their pinnacle of choices once Mourinho leaves ? And some convince themselves that adding more money will change these manager to trophy winners consistently is even more baffling.

You know what you're getting when you sign a manager. We know that getting Mourinho means we will be a pragmatic counter attacking and physical team. Getting the likes of Jardim or Tuchel will also mean that we're loving the Liverpool project of finishing 3rd-4th each season, scoring loads and winning feck all. You expect what you're getting from each manager based on their career and nothing are going to change that. If some really love the Liverpool and Spurs project and want us to emulate them, so be it.

If Tuchel goes to PSG, I expect him to win the piss easy league but he'll be exposed easily in CL just like Emery and Blanc who are both average managers at this top level.
Because the list of managers who are proven winners at the top level is very short and by no means guarantee anything:
- Pep, at City
- Heynckess, will retire
- Simeone, too defensive, also hasn't been in charge of the elite club
- Zidane, doubts about his tactics
- Ancelloti, expired
- Enrique, thanks, but no thanks
- Allegri, very good manager and a great tactician

So, people naturally look those who have the most potential to get that step up. You can't say how Tuchel, Poch or Jardim will react until you give them a chance. You can only see the work they've done at previous clubs. The mentioned category of very top managers isn't set in stone and will look different in few years time when one or two break through. To expect every manager must make a "Jose" and win a CL with "Porto" is harsh considering that the gap between the elite and those bellow is getting bigger with each passing year as the result of their growing spending power.

Personally, I really like Tuchel. Not in a sense that he should be our manager, but just that I think he has enormous potential. At this point of time, though, not just his lack of trophy, but also his personality and question marks over transfer dealings would make him highly risky appointment and I'm not sure he would handle it so well. With DoF behind him, that risk would be much lower.
Everyone logically compares him with Klopp as they both managed Dortmund and Mainz, but Tuchel is extremely interesting because, despite being not even close to Klopp's trophy cabinet, he has an ability to switch various gameplans not only before each game but during the 90 minutes. Counter-pressing, soak up the pressure or shift to possession style football when needed. That, along with innovative technics used during training makes him potentially better and more rounded than Klopp, IMO.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/07/thomas-tuchel-borussia-dortmund-jurgen-klopp

Football, like every other business, changes over a period of time. The ability to see, think, do things differently and creatively will always be highly valued as those people will lead the change in the end.

Of course, all this could turn out to be baloney. He never did manage a big club, has personality issues and it's a different game at the very top level. But, I can see why Bayern or other top clubs would want him.
 

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I don’t know. Because they are decent human beings? Obviously not, as they decided to thrash a team that just barely survived an attack on their lives. Those players should have been in treatment, not on the pitch. The psychological damage done to those poor guys will never be undone and Monaco deserve their share of the blame.
Did Dortmund put in a request for rescheduling the game?

The last line is rather melodramatic.
 

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Because the list of managers who are proven winners at the top level is very short and by no means guarantee anything:
- Pep, at City
- Heynckess, will retire
- Simeone, too defensive, also hasn't been in charge of the elite club
- Zidane, doubts about his tactics
- Ancelloti, expired
- Enrique, thanks, but no thanks
- Allegri, very good manager and a great tactician

So, people naturally look those who have the most potential to get that step up. You can't say how Tuchel, Poch or Jardim will react until you give them a chance. You can only see the work they've done at previous clubs. The mentioned category of very top managers isn't set in stone and will look different in few years time when one or two break through. To expect every manager must make a "Jose" and win a CL with "Porto" is harsh considering that the gap between the elite and those bellow is getting bigger with each passing year as the result of their growing spending power.

Personally, I really like Tuchel. Not in a sense that he should be our manager, but just that I think he has enormous potential. At this point of time, though, not just his lack of trophy, but also his personality and question marks over transfer dealings would make him highly risky appointment and I'm not sure he would handle it so well. With DoF behind him, that risk would be much lower.
Everyone logically compares him with Klopp as they both managed Dortmund and Mainz, but Tuchel is extremely interesting because, despite being not even close to Klopp's trophy cabinet, he has an ability to switch various gameplans not only before each game but during the 90 minutes. Counter-pressing, soak up the pressure or shift to possession style football when needed. That, along with innovative technics used during training makes him potentially better and more rounded than Klopp, IMO.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/07/thomas-tuchel-borussia-dortmund-jurgen-klopp

Football, like every other business, changes over a period of time. The ability to see, think, do things differently and creatively will always be highly valued as those people will lead the change in the end.

Of course, all this could turn out to be baloney. He never did manage a big club, has personality issues and it's a different game at the very top level. But, I can see why Bayern or other top clubs would want him.
Good post, Jim.
 

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I dont know a lot about Tuchel but doesn't his reputation come from taking over Klopp's already very good Dortmund side?
Klopp finished 7th in his final year. Some players were also sold. He also won a cup knocking out Bayern Munich in the process.
 
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Because the list of managers who are proven winners at the top level is very short and by no means guarantee anything:
- Pep, at City
- Heynckess, will retire
- Simeone, too defensive, also hasn't been in charge of the elite club
- Zidane, doubts about his tactics
- Ancelloti, expired
- Enrique, thanks, but no thanks
- Allegri, very good manager and a great tactician

So, people naturally look those who have the most potential to get that step up. You can't say how Tuchel, Poch or Jardim will react until you give them a chance. You can only see the work they've done at previous clubs. The mentioned category of very top managers isn't set in stone and will look different in few years time when one or two break through. To expect every manager must make a "Jose" and win a CL with "Porto" is harsh considering that the gap between the elite and those bellow is getting bigger with each passing year as the result of their growing spending power.

Personally, I really like Tuchel. Not in a sense that he should be our manager, but just that I think he has enormous potential. At this point of time, though, not just his lack of trophy, but also his personality and question marks over transfer dealings would make him highly risky appointment and I'm not sure he would handle it so well. With DoF behind him, that risk would be much lower.
Everyone logically compares him with Klopp as they both managed Dortmund and Mainz, but Tuchel is extremely interesting because, despite being not even close to Klopp's trophy cabinet, he has an ability to switch various gameplans not only before each game but during the 90 minutes. Counter-pressing, soak up the pressure or shift to possession style football when needed. That, along with innovative technics used during training makes him potentially better and more rounded than Klopp, IMO.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/07/thomas-tuchel-borussia-dortmund-jurgen-klopp

Football, like every other business, changes over a period of time. The ability to see, think, do things differently and creatively will always be highly valued as those people will lead the change in the end.

Of course, all this could turn out to be baloney. He never did manage a big club, has personality issues and it's a different game at the very top level. But, I can see why Bayern or other top clubs would want him.
Very good post, i enjoyed reading that. I agree with everything you've said. I think when we appoint our next manager a risk needs to be taken, playing it safe with Moyes, LVG etc doesn't seem to be getting us very far. I would definitely welcome Tuchel, Jardim etc both did great work at BVB and Monaco last season.
 

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The fact is we have a serial winner managing us and that's why we won't be involved in this manager merry go round. Granted, the football is atrocious atm and literally nothing is enjoyable for us but we can see ourselves keeping some distance because, well its jose. He always fights back.

If we had someone else in charge, the prospect of having tuchel/poch/jardim or any upcoming young manager with modern football tactics would have been too tempting to resist.

I miss attacking football but we just have to trust Jose this time. Things were far worse before him and after SAF.
 

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Why will we want someone like Tuchel or Jardim. I just done understand. Yes, we all want us to play better football and improve, but some just want us to become the new Liverpool/Spurs/Arsenal so much that these names are their pinnacle of choices once Mourinho leaves ? And some convince themselves that adding more money will change these manager to trophy winners consistently is even more baffling.

You know what you're getting when you sign a manager. We know that getting Mourinho means we will be a pragmatic counter attacking and physical team. Getting the likes of Jardim or Tuchel will also mean that we're loving the Liverpool project of finishing 3rd-4th each season, scoring loads and winning feck all. You expect what you're getting from each manager based on their career and nothing are going to change that. If some really love the Liverpool and Spurs project and want us to emulate them, so be it.

If Tuchel goes to PSG, I expect him to win the piss easy league but he'll be exposed easily in CL just like Emery and Blanc who are both average managers at this top level.
The majority of the Spurs project so far has had nothing to do with Pochettino, because it's mostly involved huge investment in a new training centre and stadium complex. And the bulk of advantages to come from this investment, training centre aside, are not yet available to Pochettino.

In other words, so far Pochettino has been labouring under a huge financial disadvantage compared to all rival clubs. This situation will start to improve, as less money will required for ongoing construction, club income rises and thus more money becomes available for wages and transfer fees. And only then will it become possible to fairly judge the Spurs project as far as Pochettino is concerned.
 

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Did Dortmund put in a request for rescheduling the game?

The last line is rather melodramatic.
As far as I know the schedule made it impossible to postpone the match more than a day, so the story is that Dortmund's leadership decided to play the match the following day (after consulting with Tuchel (suppsedly at least)) and then if I remember correctly Watzke apparently talked to the squad the following morning (the matchday) and explained to them that the club had to play the match but they would support and excuse any player who did not want to play.

Personally I think it's pathetic to try and point a moral finger in hindsight at decisions that have been made in such a unique situation and under all kinds of pressure - meaning not just sporting or financial issues, but also political pressure from the highest of goverment ranks.
 

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The majority of the Spurs project so far has had nothing to do with Pochettino, because it's mostly involved huge investment in a new training centre and stadium complex. And the bulk of advantages to come from this investment, training centre aside, are not yet available to Pochettino.

In other words, so far Pochettino has been labouring under a huge financial disadvantage compared to all rival clubs. This situation will start to improve, as less money will required for ongoing construction, club income rises and thus more money becomes available for wages and transfer fees. And only then will it become possible to fairly judge the Spurs project as far as Pochettino is concerned.
But spurs are no longer pushovers and the credit goes to the manager.
A very cohesive unit, attractive football and a focus on getting more value out of a transfer and academy players. Pochettino has done well in that regard.
 

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Because the list of managers who are proven winners at the top level is very short and by no means guarantee anything:
- Pep, at City
- Heynckess, will retire
- Simeone, too defensive, also hasn't been in charge of the elite club
- Zidane, doubts about his tactics
- Ancelloti, expired
- Enrique, thanks, but no thanks
- Allegri, very good manager and a great tactician

So, people naturally look those who have the most potential to get that step up. You can't say how Tuchel, Poch or Jardim will react until you give them a chance. You can only see the work they've done at previous clubs. The mentioned category of very top managers isn't set in stone and will look different in few years time when one or two break through. To expect every manager must make a "Jose" and win a CL with "Porto" is harsh considering that the gap between the elite and those bellow is getting bigger with each passing year as the result of their growing spending power.

Personally, I really like Tuchel. Not in a sense that he should be our manager, but just that I think he has enormous potential. At this point of time, though, not just his lack of trophy, but also his personality and question marks over transfer dealings would make him highly risky appointment and I'm not sure he would handle it so well. With DoF behind him, that risk would be much lower.
Everyone logically compares him with Klopp as they both managed Dortmund and Mainz, but Tuchel is extremely interesting because, despite being not even close to Klopp's trophy cabinet, he has an ability to switch various gameplans not only before each game but during the 90 minutes. Counter-pressing, soak up the pressure or shift to possession style football when needed. That, along with innovative technics used during training makes him potentially better and more rounded than Klopp, IMO.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/07/thomas-tuchel-borussia-dortmund-jurgen-klopp

Football, like every other business, changes over a period of time. The ability to see, think, do things differently and creatively will always be highly valued as those people will lead the change in the end.

Of course, all this could turn out to be baloney. He never did manage a big club, has personality issues and it's a different game at the very top level. But, I can see why Bayern or other top clubs would want him.
Damn, that's word for word my thinking. There are no guarantees about Tuchel but I like him for the reasons that you exposed.:)
 

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Dont know where all this Arsenal speculation comes from, apart from it being a good fit


It isn't happening there, i mean he banned Mislintat from the training ground for months
 

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I think what Emery is lacking is the right personality to deal with big ego's and big games. He's a good manager on other fronts, and like you say, a cup specialist.
Emery definitely lacks it, or it's just PSG that's so much of a shithole that nobody can handle it past League 1 title. Does Tuchel have the personality though? He left BVB on a pretty shitty terms iirc, there were articles of him not shying away from conflicts too. Carlo's a cup specialist too, apparently good with the players, didn't stop him from getting the sack at Bayern and previously Madrid (although RM is a clusterfeck in their own league.
 

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I’m pretty surprised at some of the attitudes in here and the unwillingness of so many to recruit a manager whose teams play such an entertaining style of football, one who clearly improves the players he coaches, just because he hasnt’ won enough trophy’s yet. In the age of the super rich clubs there will be fewer and fewer managers who have the CV some are looking for.
 

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Emery definitely lacks it, or it's just PSG that's so much of a shithole that nobody can handle it past League 1 title. Does Tuchel have the personality though? He left BVB on a pretty shitty terms iirc, there were articles of him not shying away from conflicts too. Carlo's a cup specialist too, apparently good with the players, didn't stop him from getting the sack at Bayern and previously Madrid (although RM is a clusterfeck in their own league.
I don't see how the blame can go on PSG, El Khelaifi is known for being too involved but Blanc did well with them, it's not as if they lost to bad teams in the CL. Emery is just a worse manager than Blanc.
Now about Tuchel and Arsenal, Jardim has been consistently linked with them, maybe there is some truth in it and in that case Monaco isn't a bad spot for Tuchel, little pressure and young teams.