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Can't be bothered to argue with the tactical analysis of a field hockey coach, however I do feel obliged to point out that Mourinho has tried a 3-5-2 for United and everyone hated it. He played 4-3-3 at Chelsea, 4-4-2 at Inter, 4-2-3-1 at Real Madrid and then predominantly a mix of 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 at Manchester United.

To say "Jose is one trick pony, has played same style, same system whole his life bit like Arsene Wenger"... like can you dissect your thought process on that one?


While the self-appointed-expert opinions of anti-Mourinho posts are very reminscent of Brexiters.
Try? Man you don't try one thing and quit if it doesn't work in one or two matches. As a manager it's Jose's responsibility to identify what's best for the squad and how it bring it out. No doubt Jose is a winner and hence very stubborn and it maybe the reason he refused to work on the formation. I mean why work on formation when you are one of the richest club and with one of the biggest transfer budget. Clearly Jose is totality, he ain't peasant like Klopp, Poch, Simeone, Sarri etc.

For me Jose is one trick pony and the reason is, he hasn't shown flexibility in his tactics or revolutionised game in any way. The 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 he has made his team played, all had same style. The two wide men will always drop deep helping the fullbacks to double team opposition wingers, midfielders will sit deep, while keeping two men up top, with one physical player to hold the play and bring the players into the game on the counter. I haven't seen Jose using midfielders as inside-forwards or fullbacks playing as midfielders. In short nothing out-of-box, same tactics over and over.

I have no doubt Jose is successful manager and a winner but I have never seen Jose re-inventing himself , instead of taking the challenge and re-inventing himself
He has often resorted to blaming players, owners, media, coming up with childish excuses etc. In his world, its everybody's fault except Jose's.
 

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He has often resorted to blaming players, owners, media, coming up with childish excuses etc. In his world, its everybody's fault except Jose's.
You say this as if only Jose blames other people. Most managers in the PL past and present blame everybody but themselves.
 

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Try? Man you don't try one thing and quit if it doesn't work in one or two matches. As a manager it's Jose's responsibility to identify what's best for the squad and how it bring it out. No doubt Jose is a winner and hence very stubborn and it maybe the reason he refused to work on the formation. I mean why work on formation when you are one of the richest club and with one of the biggest transfer budget. Clearly Jose is totality, he ain't peasant like Klopp, Poch, Simeone, Sarri etc.

For me Jose is one trick pony and the reason is, he hasn't shown flexibility in his tactics or revolutionised game in any way. The 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 he has made his team played, all had same style. The two wide men will always drop deep helping the fullbacks to double team opposition wingers, midfielders will sit deep, while keeping two men up top, with one physical player to hold the play and bring the players into the game on the counter. I haven't seen Jose using midfielders as inside-forwards or fullbacks playing as midfielders. In short nothing out-of-box, same tactics over and over.

I have no doubt Jose is successful manager and a winner but I have never seen Jose re-inventing himself , instead of taking the challenge and re-inventing himself
He has often resorted to blaming players, owners, media, coming up with childish excuses etc. In his world, its everybody's fault except Jose's.
You haven't followed Jose's career, just spouting random bs some clueless journalist printed. If you think Jose is one trick pony then you haven't watched his career at all.

Apart from Pep, no manager asks fullbacks to play as midfielders, they all rely on Fullbacks to provide width. Go and watch how Jose used Maicon, in many games he was the difference maker with all the attacking freedom he was given.
 

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Try? Man you don't try one thing and quit if it doesn't work in one or two matches. As a manager it's Jose's responsibility to identify what's best for the squad and how it bring it out. No doubt Jose is a winner and hence very stubborn and it maybe the reason he refused to work on the formation. I mean why work on formation when you are one of the richest club and with one of the biggest transfer budget. Clearly Jose is totality, he ain't peasant like Klopp, Poch, Simeone, Sarri etc.

For me Jose is one trick pony and the reason is, he hasn't shown flexibility in his tactics or revolutionised game in any way. The 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 he has made his team played, all had same style. The two wide men will always drop deep helping the fullbacks to double team opposition wingers, midfielders will sit deep, while keeping two men up top, with one physical player to hold the play and bring the players into the game on the counter. I haven't seen Jose using midfielders as inside-forwards or fullbacks playing as midfielders. In short nothing out-of-box, same tactics over and over.

I have no doubt Jose is successful manager and a winner but I have never seen Jose re-inventing himself , instead of taking the challenge and re-inventing himself
He has often resorted to blaming players, owners, media, coming up with childish excuses etc. In his world, its everybody's fault except Jose's.
Your own manager is also infamous for this behaviour. The guy has blamed losses on the other team's tactics, the state of a ground and the fecking weather, to name a few.
 

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You haven't followed Jose's career, just spouting random bs some clueless journalist printed. If you think Jose is one trick pony then you haven't watched his career at all.

Apart from Pep, no manager asks fullbacks to play as midfielders, they all rely on Fullbacks to provide width. Go and watch how Jose used Maicon, in many games he was the difference maker with all the attacking freedom he was given.
My opinion ain't based on any journalist's article. I have watched his side's play (not Porto or Chelsea , 1st time around.) And from what I have seen , he never inspired me any way.

Yes no other manager asks his fullbacks to play as midfielders. But you need to take my comment in the context of revolutionising the game. People say Jose's name in same breath as great managers like Ferguson, bill shankly, sacchi, Cruyff. All these managers have revolutionised the game, with their playing style and contributed to the game. Whereas Jose has always played safe and never dared to go outside the realms of coaching manuals.

No doubt he is one of the most successful coaches around, but has he ever bounced from setbacks whenever faced with one? No. He has always ran away from them. Jose hasn't bounced back from setbacks once in his life. With him you either win or he quits aka get fired.
 

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Your own manager is also infamous for this behaviour. The guy has blamed losses on the other team's tactics, the state of a ground and the fecking weather, to name a few.
I have difference of opinion on that but I will say, managers always try to deflect the attention away from the players and they do come up with excuses to serve this purpose . Whereas Jose has been guilty of diverting attention from him to his players. Thats the easiest way to lose the dressing room, Jose has done it multiple times and funny thing is, he still haven't learned from it. Manager's job is to take pressure off the players, but Jose does exactly the opposite.
 

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For me Jose is one trick pony and the reason is, he hasn't shown flexibility in his tactics or revolutionised game in any way. The 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 he has made his team played, all had same style. The two wide men will always drop deep helping the fullbacks to double team opposition wingers, midfielders will sit deep, while keeping two men up top, with one physical player to hold the play and bring the players into the game on the counter. I haven't seen Jose using midfielders as inside-forwards or fullbacks playing as midfielders. In short nothing out-of-box, same tactics over and over.

I have no doubt Jose is successful manager and a winner but I have never seen Jose re-inventing himself , instead of taking the challenge and re-inventing himself
He has often resorted to blaming players, owners, media, coming up with childish excuses etc. In his world, its everybody's fault except Jose's.
How is he a one trick pony when he has switched between formations to get the best of our players? We played a 4-2-2-2 against Chelsea this year and won the game. Is that not innovation in the midst of a hectic season? We have played with 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, 4-2-2-2 and a few times 3-5-2 this season. What formation have Klopp instilled this season? 4-3-3 and?

Slating the manager as a one trick pony because he requires his wingers to help out the fullback is silly. Pep and Conte ask for the same level of defensive duty from their attacking players too. Are they also one trick ponies?

Asking Jose to use midfielders as fullbacks to look revolutionary is silly. Why do we need to do so when Young and Valencia is doing a better job there than say Herrera, if played there? Just to look cool? Do you think Klopp looks like a coach full of ideas because he played Milner there?

Your manager recently said the pitch and ref was at fault for the draw. Even called the draw a pointless comeback.
 

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My opinion ain't based on any journalist's article. I have watched his side's play (not Porto or Chelsea , 1st time around.) And from what I have seen , he never inspired me any way.

Yes no other manager asks his fullbacks to play as midfielders. But you need to take my comment in the context of revolutionising the game. People say Jose's name in same breath as great managers like Ferguson, bill shankly, sacchi, Cruyff. All these managers have revolutionised the game, with their playing style and contributed to the game. Whereas Jose has always played safe and never dared to go outside the realms of coaching manuals.

No doubt he is one of the most successful coaches around, but has he ever bounced from setbacks whenever faced with one? No. He has always ran away from them. Jose hasn't bounced back from setbacks once in his life. With him you either win or he quits aka get fired.
He never revolutionised the game, very few have, that doesnt mean he isn't one of the best managers of all time. He has won so many trophies to back it up. He isn't a one trick pony, he adapts to the opposition and also if you see his Inter and Chelsea first stint, there was obvious difference. If you compare that to his Madrid time then there was even obvious difference.

Jose doesn't ask his wingers to play as fullbacks, that's a myth and common misconception based on very very few games. He played Robben, Ronaldo, Hazard in his sides and they never played as fullbacks. Obviously like any coach he asks his players to work hard when not in possession, problem is he don't know how to play dominant style against strong opponents.

Also saying is runs away from problem is just wrong, if he gets sacked there is nothing much he can do, you have to consider the context and see which clubs he managed. At Chelsea he is still the longest serving manager, at Madrid probably only Zidane is. That's no difference than say Klopp who left Mainz and Dortmund when they were down.
 

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My opinion ain't based on any journalist's article. I have watched his side's play (not Porto or Chelsea , 1st time around.) And from what I have seen , he never inspired me any way.

Yes no other manager asks his fullbacks to play as midfielders. But you need to take my comment in the context of revolutionising the game. People say Jose's name in same breath as great managers like Ferguson, bill shankly, sacchi, Cruyff. All these managers have revolutionised the game, with their playing style and contributed to the game. Whereas Jose has always played safe and never dared to go outside the realms of coaching manuals.

No doubt he is one of the most successful coaches around, but has he ever bounced from setbacks whenever faced with one? No. He has always ran away from them. Jose hasn't bounced back from setbacks once in his life. With him you either win or he quits aka get fired.
Wouldn't say it was revolutionary, but the style of football him and Benitez bought into the premier league was hugely influential. We even changed our approach to match and better their teams, and eventually win the champions league. That pretty much became the go to formula PL teams till somewhere around Fergies retirement.
 

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Mourinho has been a great manager, I say has been in a way like Wenger. The work he did at Porto, Chelsea first time round and especially for me at Inter was superb (you can compare this to Wengers time at Highbury). Since he went to Madrid his whole demeanour has changed aka Wenger at Emirates. Unlike Wenger Mourinho will still get results and trophies, but the entertainment and squad harmony I dont see beign there with the Mourinho as he is now, so many signs of an implosion are already appearing in just his second year.
The questions I would ask are, can you see us winnign major trophies under Mourinho? Bigest of all though, two years in....how many players have improved and progressed under Mourinho the last two years, I can only think of Lingard, several more have actually regressed...none of this bodes well for the future to me
 

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I just don’t think Jose is in love with the game anymore, he’s a manager who just doesn’t have the hunger anymore. When fergie during his later stages of his manager career while he did not add players that he should have, he still had that edge about him to win. Now I look at mourinho he just seems very very unhappy something is not right with him, someone in the board need to speak to Jose if he even wants to be here, because if he’s not really committed then Woodward needs to really start looking at preparing for jose’s Departure. We cannot have another Ferguson situation where they hadn’t a clue what to do when he was going, the way we going we going to have a fight for a top 4 because the way it’s going the club is in a critical stage. If I could describe Jose, he just looks burnt out who wants to be with his family, if he wins a PL title next season he will defiantly leave
I completely agree ... Manchester United have to be ruthless or else they risk becoming an Arsenal. The days of loyalty and longevity are over.
 

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I work with B****** Chelsea fans and have allowed them to get into my head about this whole "3rd season" nonsense and for some reason I keep thinking about Real Madrid season 3. The recent noise and call outs on Martial, Pogba, Bailly, Lukaku (supposed to be our spine for the future), it's all a bit ominous but we'll see.
 

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I work with B****** Chelsea fans and have allowed them to get into my head about this whole "3rd season" nonsense and for some reason I keep thinking about Real Madrid season 3. The recent noise and call outs on Martial, Pogba, Bailly, Lukaku (supposed to be our spine for the future), it's all a bit ominous but we'll see.
And this season was very similar to Chelsea's 2014/15 season: we started well then gradually got worse and worse and we resorted to grinding out points with ugly performances throughout the second half of the season.

Let's hope we won't have a campaign like Chelsea 2015/16 after this...
 

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And this season was very similar to Chelsea's 2014/15 season: we started well then gradually got worse and worse and we resorted to grinding out points with ugly performances throughout the second half of the season.

Let's hope we won't have a campaign like Chelsea 2015/16 after this...
I doubt it would be that bad (purely because you can somewhat defend unlike us that season), but i could see you seriously struggling to create chances.

In Fact if anything i reckon you will have a similar season to what we saw at the start of his 4th season first time round before he left.
 

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Lukaku rage quit on Mou's Chelsea (twice) now he's an untouchable with him.
Ah, that's when Lukaku was a relative nobody. Now that he has made a name for himself, of course Mourinho wants to work with him.
 

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With the amount of money he has spent;

We have not won anything this season
Yes we finished second................................... a mile behind Man City which is not good enough since we basically didn’t challenge
We’ve played boring, dull football which a lot of fans agree with
Many players have regressed or are underperforming with him as coach

How does one justify wanting to keep him at the club?
I’m actually interested to hear what people think he brings to the club and if they enjoy watching our matches? Do you think anything will change next season or are you happy with how things are going?

Yes he has been very successful in the past but do you see us challenging for the major trophies with him at the club?
 

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With the amount of money he has spent;

We have not won anything this season
Yes we finished second................................... a mile behind Man City which is not good enough since we basically didn’t challenge
We’ve played boring, dull football which a lot of fans agree with
Many players have regressed or are underperforming with him as coach

How does one justify wanting to keep him at the club?
I’m actually interested to hear what people think he brings to the club and if they enjoy watching our matches? Do you think anything will change next season or are you happy with how things are going?

Yes he has been very successful in the past but do you see us challenging for the major trophies with him at the club?
Personally I think he is merely a shell of the old Mourinho.
I don’t see us winning the premier league under him.

I can see him having a full meltdown next season and leaving us with a squad that will need to be completely rebuilt again in a couple of seasons.

I hate the football he has us playing and I cannot wait until the day he leaves.
 

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With the amount of money he has spent;

We have not won anything this season
Yes we finished second................................... a mile behind Man City which is not good enough since we basically didn’t challenge
We’ve played boring, dull football which a lot of fans agree with
Many players have regressed or are underperforming with him as coach

How does one justify wanting to keep him at the club?

I’m actually interested to hear what people think he brings to the club and if they enjoy watching our matches? Do you think anything will change next season or are you happy with how things are going?

Yes he has been very successful in the past but do you see us challenging for the major trophies with him at the club?
It can be justified only if you believe that the squad he inherited was absolutely miles off what it needs to be and he's made some errors in the transfer market (as do all managers) which have compounded the problem.

The football's generally been pish this season (was better last season IMO) but he has at least found a way to make us effective. at the expense of playing progressive football, admittedly, but needs must. At the beginning of this season I thought Spurs and Liverpool would be incredibly hard to overhaul and - despite Liverpool signing the PL's highest scorer and Kane going from strength to strength - we've achieved that goal. And no matter how often people try to dismiss that achievement it really is kind of impressive.

Klopp took three seasons to get Liverpool's squad where he wants it, so it's not an outrageous idea that Mourinho should be afforded the same amount of patience.

And I'm saying this as someone who thinks the guy is a complete prick and I am counting the days until we have a manager that doesn't make my heart sink every time he talks to the press. I'm just open to the possibility that there's a hell of a lot of players in our squad that are being seriously over-rated by our fans and I'm willing to give the guy another summer to sort things out.
 

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He deserves another season to get the right signings in and get us playing cohesive football. It's hard to deny that he's improving the quality of personnel in our squad and so I'd happily give him next season. his past record and the fact he has taken us from 6th to 2nd with two CL finishes and a couple of trophies have earned him that.

If we regress next season and there is no improvement to the style of play, I think we should reconsider. I just don't see a viable alternative at the moment and this squad still needs a cull of some of the bang average players that have been here for far longer than Jose. There's no one available who I trust more than Jose to sort us out and get us competing again.
 

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"if we regress" seems like a very low bar.
He should be sacked if we fail to challenge, simple as.
 

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Yup, that's has to be the case this time on. To challenge for the title and progress further than round of 16 in CL. The quality of football has no chance of improving so let's just base things on tangible results
 

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Personally I think he is merely a shell of the old Mourinho.
I don’t see us winning the premier league under him.

I can see him having a full meltdown next season and leaving us with a squad that will need to be completely rebuilt again in a couple of seasons.

I hate the football he has us playing and I cannot wait until the day he leaves.

Totally agree
 

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It can be justified only if you believe that the squad he inherited was absolutely miles off what it needs to be and he's made some errors in the transfer market (as do all managers) which have compounded the problem.

The football's generally been pish this season (was better last season IMO) but he has at least found a way to make us effective. at the expense of playing progressive football, admittedly, but needs must. At the beginning of this season I thought Spurs and Liverpool would be incredibly hard to overhaul and - despite Liverpool signing the PL's highest scorer and Kane going from strength to strength - we've achieved that goal. And no matter how often people try to dismiss that achievement it really is kind of impressive.

Klopp took three seasons to get Liverpool's squad where he wants it, so it's not an outrageous idea that Mourinho should be afforded the same amount of patience.

And I'm saying this as someone who thinks the guy is a complete prick and I am counting the days until we have a manager that doesn't make my heart sink every time he talks to the press. I'm just open to the possibility that there's a hell of a lot of players in our squad that are being seriously over-rated by our fans and I'm willing to give the guy another summer to sort things out.

Fair response.

I just don’t see him changing much and am guessing it will be more of the same.
 

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"if we regress" seems like a very low bar.
He should be sacked if we fail to challenge, simple as.
Haven't you heard? We shouldn't even expect to challenge until he has spent as much as Pep. City need to go for like 2 seasons in a row without spending while we spend heavily till we catch up, then and only then can we expect to challenge City
 

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It can be justified only if you believe that the squad he inherited was absolutely miles off what it needs to be and he's made some errors in the transfer market (as do all managers) which have compounded the problem.

The football's generally been pish this season (was better last season IMO) but he has at least found a way to make us effective. at the expense of playing progressive football, admittedly, but needs must. At the beginning of this season I thought Spurs and Liverpool would be incredibly hard to overhaul and - despite Liverpool signing the PL's highest scorer and Kane going from strength to strength - we've achieved that goal. And no matter how often people try to dismiss that achievement it really is kind of impressive.

Klopp took three seasons to get Liverpool's squad where he wants it, so it's not an outrageous idea that Mourinho should be afforded the same amount of patience.

And I'm saying this as someone who thinks the guy is a complete prick and I am counting the days until we have a manager that doesn't make my heart sink every time he talks to the press. I'm just open to the possibility that there's a hell of a lot of players in our squad that are being seriously over-rated by our fans and I'm willing to give the guy another summer to sort things out.
Not with the amount of money spent and resources available he shouldn't. I'd really hate to imagine what would have become of Jose if ge had to work with Klopps resources. Liverpool sold their best player and Klopp has to get by with the likes of Henderson and Lovren. I'm not sure but Jose has probably spent more in 2 seasons than Klopp has managed in his Liverpool stint.
 

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Not with the amount of money spent and resources available he shouldn't. I'd really hate to imagine what would have become of Jose if ge had to work with Klopps resources. Liverpool sold their best player and Klopp has to get by with the likes of Henderson and Lovren. I'm not sure but Jose has probably spent more in 2 seasons than Klopp has managed in his Liverpool stint.
Can’t be arsed doing all the digging but I’m sure I’ve read on here somewhere that Klopp has more or less matched Mourinho’s spending? It’s the net spend which makes us look bad and we’ve always been crap at getting good fees for departing players, long before Mourinho took over.
 

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we'll be close to spending half a billion after this summer most likely during his rein, so anything other than a solid tittle challenge along with drastically improved football should be a sackable offence.
 

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we'll be close to spending half a billion after this summer most likely during his rein, so anything other than a solid tittle challenge along with drastically improved football should be a sackable offence.
The board don't care about 'good football'. We can 1-0 our way to the title and he will get another extension (as evidenced by him getting an extension this season despite not entertaining).

Mourinho was hired to stop the rot, he will probably move on after 1-2 years and we'll get in a more entertaining manager since Mourinho will leave a much better set of players than he inherited.
 

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The board don't care about 'good football'. We can 1-0 our way to the title and he will get another extension (as evidenced by him getting an extension this season despite not entertaining).

Mourinho was hired to stop the rot, he will probably move on after 1-2 years and we'll get in a more entertaining manager since Mourinho will leave a much better set of players than he inherited.
Of course he would! No rational person would care HOW a title is won.
 

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I think we've seen progress. We were scoring 4 goals a fair few times earlier in the season but maybe lost a bit of heart with city not budging. Then we had the xmas period with Pogba missing and it's been difficult. The champions league defeat hurt us bad. It was inexcusable. To lose that way, is unacceptable. Our league is a stronger league collectively then most if any other league. We don't get winter breaks. There are a handful of teams who can always challenge. You rarely get easy games. I just think that the club have been guilty of not looking to carry on improving. When we sold Ronaldo, we should have got Robben. When Modric was available before spurs got him - where were our scouts? I said two years ago let's bring in Mane and Mahrez and our policy is threadbare. If we had a chance to bring in bale or Ronaldo - or 5-6 players? It's a non brainer. We need new players. New full backs. New wingers. A midfielder or two an maybe a creative spark. We are despirately short which has led to some poor performancs. Jose will get it right.
 

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Can’t be arsed doing all the digging but I’m sure I’ve read on here somewhere that Klopp has more or less matched Mourinho’s spending? It’s the net spend which makes us look bad and we’ve always been crap at getting good fees for departing players, long before Mourinho took over.
But why is our team with Mata, Martial, Pogba, Herrera, Rashford, Lukaku, Sanchez playing only at a fraction of our full potential? I'm afraid our main issue is not personnel, it's the cnut whistle in charge.
 

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But why is our team with Mata, Martial, Pogba, Herrera, Rashford, Lukaku, Sanchez playing only at a fraction of our full potential? I'm afraid our main issue is not personnel, it's the cnut whistle in charge.
Succinctly, but well said :D

We are not Real Madrid.

He's not getting fired for the football but mostly the results.
Yes that's mostly true, but I'd hope that won't be the case for too long
 

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But why is our team with Mata, Martial, Pogba, Herrera, Rashford, Lukaku, Sanchez playing only at a fraction of our full potential? I'm afraid our main issue is not personnel, it's the cnut whistle in charge.
That's a new low. Seriously, he won 2 cups , finished 2nd. As bad as that sounds he doesn't deserved to be called a cnut.
 

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"if we regress" seems like a very low bar.
He should be sacked if we fail to challenge, simple as.
The bar keepers getting lowered for Mourinho by some. Moyes and LVG wasn't so fortunate and had to abide by Manchester United standards.
 

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But why is our team with Mata, Martial, Pogba, Herrera, Rashford, Lukaku, Sanchez playing only at a fraction of our full potential? I'm afraid our main issue is not personnel, it's the cnut whistle in charge.
Result-wise this team is playing upto its potential in the league I feel. What do you think the potential of this team is? I suppose they could have got a maximum of 6-8 points more perhaps but no chance of a title. Even in CL we should have won against Sevilla, and that's certainly down to the manager, but we are miles behind Real Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona, etc. in terms of quality.

In terms of playing style, we still have technically limited players like Young, Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Fellaini regularly in the team. Which other big team in the world can say this?
 

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Result-wise this team is playing upto its potential in the league I feel. What do you think the potential of this team is? I suppose they could have got a maximum of 6-8 points more perhaps but no chance of a title. Even in CL we should have won against Sevilla, and that's certainly down to the manager, but we are miles behind Real Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona, etc. in terms of quality.

In terms of playing style, we still have technically limited players like Young, Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Fellaini regularly in the team. Which other big team in the world can say this?
The manager has persisted with the limited players he mentions, Young, Valencia are constantly praised by the manager despite them being crap. Lindelof and Bailly are Mourinho buys but he is still persisting with Jones and Smalling, whose fault is that?
 

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The manager has persisted with the limited players he mentions, Young, Valencia are constantly praised by the manager despite them being crap. Lindelof and Bailly are Mourinho buys but he is still persisting with Jones and Smalling, whose fault is that?
By his own admission, he is looking to upgrade full back(s). Bailly has been regularly injured and Lindelof had been bought for a 3-man defence. Mourinho couldn't have brought a whole new team in just two years!
 

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By his own admission, he is looking to upgrade full back(s). Bailly has been regularly injured and Lindelof had been bought for a 3-man defence. Mourinho couldn't have brought a whole new team in just two years!
By the beginning of next season he would have bought 11/12 players, we'll see what the excuses will be if we're not playing good football
 
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