What if... players don't want to play under Mourinho

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Well then, If players don't want to play for Mourinho, we should hate the players. Not Mourinho.

Professionalism first.
 

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Considering how much money they get, they are all free to feck off. And I'm not even so fond of Mourinho.

You would thought he is managing a prison, not a football club by some here.
Its a stupid thread but this bollocks of comparing these footballers to the Jims and Varuns of this world needs to stop. They will get these ridiculous amounts of money at another club too. This is like some poor dude from a 3rd world country saying Jim Beam shouldnt be caring about work environment, how his boss is etc at whichever company you work because of "how much money you get". Actually, you'd probably have to multiply this gap multiple times to get the difference between you, me and these footballers.
 

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From what you see of jose in the media no one would want to play for him. But you would do your due diligence and speak yo current and ex players. If he's the miserable prick that he comes across as i wouldn't want to play for him, but id wager he isnt
 

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feck off with anti mourinho threads. Your opinion is not so new or important that it requires it's own thread. Go annoy people on your facebook timeline instead.
This, at least come up with something new or clever before creating these nonsense threads
 

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Pep Guardiola:

‘The blow is that he [Jorginho] would rather be at Chelsea. We tried, we believe we were close but at the last turn he decided to go to Chelsea. The same thing with United and Alexis, so I have nothing else to say.’
 

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Thread whining needs to be clamped down on here.

It doesn't allow for any form of discussion.

So far this thread has been nothing but thread whining without the OP's points being discussed.
This, it’s in every thread and it’s mostly the same group of 5-6 people just ruining threads. The irony is they are whining about people posting negatively in threads, they need to take a look in the mirror. No doubt this thread will be closed due their agenda of pushing everything as a Anti Jose Agenda. They are the ones stirring the negativity and they need to fecking realise it quickly.
 

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No doubt this thread will be closed due their agenda of pushing everything as a Anti Jose Agenda.
This thread should be closed because it's stupid.

The reason we're having trouble signing players has little to do with Mourinho, at least not so far as the players we've been rumored to be after which is Alderweireld (seemingly his 1st preference is to be at United), Maguire (wants the move but won't force it and still has 4 years left on his contract) and Willian (likes Mourinho, seems fine at Chelsea now that they have Sarri and Chelsea are asking for crazy money for him).

So aside from Kovacic who reportedly doesn't want to play for United and whom we also reportedly bid for, who is the player we've lost out on this summer or previously because they didn't want to play for Mourinho? I can't remember a single one and funny enough we got Alexis who seemed certain to be City bound in January.
 

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I've heard Mourinho has stopped showering and use deododant.
 

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It's no secret that we've not been able to make that mahe'ny signings this summer and with less than a week left till the close of the window and start of the season, we might find ourselves short of in-form players to kick start our season.

Matic and Valencia won't probably start
Pogba has not been back in training
Lukaku, Rashford, Jones and Lindelof just got back

Pereira and Fred seem to be the only positives that we can take from the preseason

We've been struggling to strengthen.

Reasons been offered for our struggles have been the following
1. World Cup
2. Shortened transfer window
3. Glazers/ Ed not offering financial backing
4. Not able to move out the deadwood
5. Style of Play
6. United being held to ransom

But.... what if

7. Players just don't want to play under Mourinho especially since his behavior has been abysmal towards other players, fans and so on. Players look at Martial and how he's treated. It's evident Pogba does NOT get along with Mourinho and probably wants out.

We keep saying Woodward isn't doing those deals but could it just be that players do not want to be part of the toxic atmosphere that's being created at the club and the dressing room?

Your thoughts?
We don’t know the truth, for all we know Jose is all sunshine and Rainbows behind closed doors. Although there are plenty of reports of that being the opposite, guess it just comes down to who you want to beleive. Mbappe rules us out earlymentioned something about the football not being right for him, Kovacic has supposedly said something as well. Quaresma said he would wake up every morning crying before training as he didn’t want to go and so on.

This summer tho I do think the WC plus the severe lack of available players for our level of where we want to be. Jose wants proven talent, most of the players of that ilk are at big clubs not easy to get. It’s possible some players don’t want to play for him but there are probably plenty that do. Plus the club will be here long after Jose is gone which might not even be that far away.

Hopefully we’ll get 1 or 2 more in before the close, we’ll play well and some harmony can return to the forum.
@AR87, to save me having to respond to you as well.
 

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If you don't want to play for Mourinho and you don't want to play for Man Utd I don't want you at the club anyway so my thoughts are essentially "go play somewhere else", or words to that effect..
 

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Its a stupid thread but this bollocks of comparing these footballers to the Jims and Varuns of this world needs to stop. They will get these ridiculous amounts of money at another club too. This is like some poor dude from a 3rd world country saying Jim Beam shouldnt be caring about work environment, how his boss is etc at whichever company you work because of "how much money you get". Actually, you'd probably have to multiply this gap multiple times to get the difference between you, me and these footballers.
I'm not comparing them to me, you or any other person with an "ordinary" job and income. I'm implying that they are under massive contract at the moment which are in no way under breach by the club or Mourinho, so they should play and act fully professionally. When and if that's not the case, they have a right of not wanting to play/train. So, yeah, even if I used hyperbole in my post, hypothetical scenario mentioned in the OP would end up mostly and rightly so by releasing the player in question.
If a player or a group of them have concerns about some of the things done by their manager, they are also free to speak openly to the manager or even take it to the board. But, never and in any case, the scenario which has been described in the OP should take place.

As for getting ridiculous amounts at another club, they aren't at another club at the moment and this is the only one they currently have as a footballer. But, that's not the main point.
 
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It's no secret that we've not been able to make that mahe'ny signings this summer and with less than a week left till the close of the window and start of the season, we might find ourselves short of in-form players to kick start our season.

Matic and Valencia won't probably start
Pogba has not been back in training
Lukaku, Rashford, Jones and Lindelof just got back

Pereira and Fred seem to be the only positives that we can take from the preseason

We've been struggling to strengthen.

Reasons been offered for our struggles have been the following
1. World Cup
2. Shortened transfer window
3. Glazers/ Ed not offering financial backing
4. Not able to move out the deadwood
5. Style of Play
6. United being held to ransom

But.... what if

7. Players just don't want to play under Mourinho especially since his behavior has been abysmal towards other players, fans and so on. Players look at Martial and how he's treated. It's evident Pogba does NOT get along with Mourinho and probably wants out.

We keep saying Woodward isn't doing those deals but could it just be that players do not want to be part of the toxic atmosphere that's being created at the club and the dressing room?

Your thoughts?
Well we definitely know they don't want yo play for Pep Sarri or Poch since we have signed more Players than them combined.
 

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Gutter press says a player doesn't want to play for Mourinho:
No wonder, our football is so negative!

Pep Guardiola says Sanchez chose United over City:
Well he chose Money over Pep!

The media have some dancing like puppets, there are some opinions that let's you know about the intelligence levels of the person with that opinion. It's like someone that believes in flat earth theory because they are paranoid about government authorities and don't believe in the mountains of evidence collected by them regarding the earth and it's dimensions.
 

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For the love of God, just calm down and let this season start first and by your opinion opinion OP fall apart, once it ends you can then pass judgement upon Jose with such a thread.

So far, by what his done with us, I can only see an upwards trajectory. Even though we won no throphies we weren't that far off and our league position and points tally was really good, best since SAF and by a long shot. So if we take the same squad from last season and add:
1. 2-3 new signings and perhaps some academy players.
2. The fact that some of our players are entering their second season.
3. Others had more time to adjust and gel under Jose (the squad and the PL)
3. The very good confidence boosting World Cup experience for quite a few of our players.

I really don't see why people should be going mental or overly negative regarding us under Jose for next season.
 

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For the love of God, just calm down and let this season start first and by your opinion opinion OP fall apart, once it ends you can then pass judgement upon Jose with such a thread.

So far, by what his done with us, I can only see an upwards trajectory. Even though we won no throphies we weren't that far off and our league position and points tally was really good, best since SAF and by a long shot. So if we take the same squad from last season and add:
1. 2-3 new signings and perhaps some academy players.
2. The fact that some of our players are entering their second season.
3. Others had more time to adjust and gel under Jose (the squad and the PL)
3. The very good confidence boosting World Cup experience for quite a few of our players.

I really don't see why people should be going mental or overly negative regarding us under Jose for next season.
Completely agree with you
 

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Your opinion is not so new or important that it requires it's own thread.
This.

Why do we need a new thread every time someone thinks up a new, barely worth mentioning theory about how to criticise Mourinho?

Perhaps City, Spurs and Chelsea having similar trouble signing anyone is due to players hating Mourinho so much they can't bare to be in the same country as him...
 

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Woohoo okay who's ready to party on a Friday night?

Anyone? Anyone at all?

This is the party time thread right?

No? Well I saw the light on as I was passing and heard the music and.... No?

Sorry, my mistake.
 

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Thread whining needs to be clamped down on here.

It doesn't allow for any form of discussion.

So far this thread has been nothing but thread whining without the OP's points being discussed.
It's funny you mention about others whining but neither did you add anything to the topic or discuss about the post. You know why, because it is a meaningless post. I understand you may not back Jose but atleast call spade a spade and admit this was a meaningless thread to begin with.
 

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Can we start a thread where we take the piss out of all the overly negative comments? It might be the only way to stop this trend.

I'm all for open discussion, but it's honestly getting out of hand and the stuff people are coming out with is pretty outrageous, I think some of it wants a few houllier emojis. Even if it just makes posters engage their brain before posting something stupid.
 

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I think a lot of people are missing perhaps the main point here - I think the OP is alluding more to transfer targets not wanting to play under Jose, given his supposed style of handling players, and also the style in which we play on the pitch. I get the feeling that's the question here, and not "what if the players we already have don't want to play for Jose?"

You have to admit that it's got to be a valid point in a player's mind when looking at United as a possible destination - I don't mean "oh no Jose plays crap football" but rather "does Jose seem like a manager who I can enjoy working with, does his system fit my natural style, would I have fun playing with those players in that team, would this move get the best out of me?"

Arguably all players have to ask themselves this before any transfer, but the media seems to like making out that they have to ask themselves EXTRA HARD before going to United or to work with Jose.
 

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What if players don't want to play for Pep?

The evidence of Jorginho, Sanchez and Fred is very concerning.
 

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While I don't agree with the hyperbole, but yes, Pep, Klopp have a better reputation in media and that helps. But not all players put that as a top priority.
And even for that, the player should be given a choice between us and them.
Put it all together, the chances that a player doesn't want to come to us because of Jose will be quite minimal.

The main reason for this transfer window is that there are not many players on sale or in the market. So unless we are going to throw ridiculous money for average players, it will be difficult. Or if by chance we have a player (like Mahrez) who desperately wants to join one team.
 

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This.

Why do we need a new thread every time someone thinks up a new, barely worth mentioning theory about how to criticise Mourinho?

Perhaps City, Spurs and Chelsea having similar trouble signing anyone is due to players hating Mourinho so much they can't bare to be in the same country as him...
you have just given me an idea for a new thread!!
 

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OP has a point, in fact, what if Mou The Merciless is holding our squad against their will in an underground bunker at Carrington, force feeding thousands of pounds a week into their bank accounts?
Free The Trafford 30 Now.
Could we get Bono to do a single?
 

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I think a lot of people are missing perhaps the main point here - I think the OP is alluding more to transfer targets not wanting to play under Jose, given his supposed style of handling players, and also the style in which we play on the pitch. I get the feeling that's the question here, and not "what if the players we already have don't want to play for Jose?"

You have to admit that it's got to be a valid point in a player's mind when looking at United as a possible destination - I don't mean "oh no Jose plays crap football" but rather "does Jose seem like a manager who I can enjoy working with, does his system fit my natural style, would I have fun playing with those players in that team, would this move get the best out of me?"

Arguably all players have to ask themselves this before any transfer, but the media seems to like making out that they have to ask themselves EXTRA HARD before going to United or to work with Jose.
No we haven't missed his point, you just think it's plausible and so don't think it deserves ridicule even though it does.

City have been pushing the 'Money vs Pep' line for 6-12 months and have been gazumped multiple times already. They have failed to sign Sanchez, Fred and Jorginho because they tried to use Guardiola's pull to not pay the going rate in the market. Other clubs just came in with more money and got their player.

Player relations and perception are massively overrated. It has to do with fans projecting their own ideals onto players, agents and clubs. This is a job for them, and the main two things for players are money (to support the lifestyle of them and their family) and silverware.
 

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You have to admit that it's got to be a valid point in a player's mind when looking at United as a possible destination - I don't mean "oh no Jose plays crap football" but rather "does Jose seem like a manager who I can enjoy working with, does his system fit my natural style, would I have fun playing with those players in that team, would this move get the best out of me?"
No, the OP has no point. Aside from 1 report which states Kovacic doesn't want to play for us who are all these players we've targeted who have passed because of Jose? I can't remember a single player we've missed out on who went elsewhere because of concerns over the manager.
 

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No we haven't missed his point, you just think it's plausible and so don't think it deserves ridicule even though it does.

City have been pushing the 'Money vs Pep' line for 6-12 months and have been gazumped multiple times already. They have failed to sign Sanchez, Fred and Jorginho because they tried to use Guardiola's pull to not pay the going rate in the market. Other clubs just came in with more money and got their player.

Player relations and perception are massively overrated. It has to do with fans projecting their own ideals onto players, agents and clubs. This is a job for them, and the main two things for players are money (to support the lifestyle of them and their family) and silverware.
So you're saying that the post I read earlier on how "Jose is sabotaging signings so he has an excuse next season" should be ridiculed? Why would that person make such a statement??
 

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So you're saying that the post I read earlier on how "Jose is sabotaging signings so he has an excuse next season" should be ridiculed? Why would that person make such a statement??
Someone actually said that???
 

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I think a lot of people are missing perhaps the main point here - I think the OP is alluding more to transfer targets not wanting to play under Jose, given his supposed style of handling players, and also the style in which we play on the pitch. I get the feeling that's the question here, and not "what if the players we already have don't want to play for Jose?"
They are indeed but after seeing the title so many were probably triggered they couldn’t compute what the actual OP was about and had committed to the ruining of a thread with their normal routine. Click the Un-ignore button and can see it’s the same people as usual, mods hopefully get a hold of them soon and point out they aren’t helping.
 
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