Thanks for sharing that. In a word awesome. Really hope he delivers the same next week.
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Should be starting, but don't be suprised if we play: Fred - Herrera - McTominay against Leichester.
A. Pereira plays to risky for Mourinho's liking.
His passing between the lines is just like Carrick. We've missed someone who does that.
He also passes the ball quickly: it's so refreshing after a season of Matic taking 4-5 touches and then playing a sideways pass.
He also passes the ball quickly: it's so refreshing after a season of Matic taking 4-5 touches and then playing a sideways pass.
You could be right. I’ve said before in order for us to improve I feel José neEds to indulge our creative player more. We’ll see.
We will likely see both of those on the pitch ahead of Pereira but, that's because they'll be playing a different role. Based on this pre-season, Pereira should be our backup to Matic and maybe he can even do enough in the first few games to displace Matic as an automatic starter.This place is going to be lit when Fellaini & McTominay end up ahead of him in the pecking order.
I personally hope that McTomminay goes on loan some place and Pereira get any chance he would get even if it is not as a number 6. He did a job last year when called upon but, towards the end didn't do enough to keep earning game time and definitely not based on this pre-season. Still, hopefully this place doesn't get bent out of shape if he plays ahead of Pereira in some games.
For me Andreas' main quality is still his shooting which is something we'll likely see a lot less of if he's playing as a 6. Doesnt mean its not worth it and he wont also be good deep but it does surprise me.
I disagree. All those players were available for Mourinho to play out on tour, and yet he decides to play Pereira the most minutes of the lot. If he had any intention to start McTominay, then he would have started most of the games.
Re him being an alternative to Matic, how good is he defensively ? As #6 he would have to atleast have good positioning like carrick. I would have thought he is better suited as #8 as a backup to Fred/Herrera. I didn't see much of the preseason mind.
I find he miss places passes a bit too often to be trusted in that deeper role.
shooting is only one of his many qualities, I'd name few which are on the same level:
- ability to keep the ball under pressure, his sharp turn and dribbling
- vision
- passing range
Also if we play some fluid midfield with Herrera, Fred and Pogba in the mix, all of these players can drop deep and Pereira can push forward if it ever becomes that fluid under Mourinho. Andreas will also want to be patient and no too expansive like Mourinho likes it but he can slowly build on that and can try things later
Absolute bull.
Wasn't Carrick more of an 8 at Tottenham before transitioning into a 6 at United? I think Pereira will likely play as a deeper playmaker who gets more protection alongside a Matic or Fred for now. He's not ready to handle the full responsibilities Carrick did. Not yet.
It will be a big challenge for him but I think his short passing and on the ground passing is excellent if he slowly builds on that with long passing which can be a bit erratic, good on him but he could easily be a player like Verratti who plays quick short to mid-range passes, in that resort I think Andreas is really good already.
I also reckon there is so much potential, not to be played as no6, in his long range passing. He knows how to slice the ball the way Scholes did it just is not accurate/consistent enough but it's there. Never forget his cameo against MK dons, when he really wanted to change the game and sprayed the passes around, you would think it's Scholes himself!
The only way he learns is by misplacing them. How is he supposed to be perfect at 22?
Did I say he was meant to be perfect?
Your post implies that we shouldn't play him in that position, which is completely the wrong mindset to have, in my opinion.
Matic used to be a #10 aswel. The transition will be easy for him as he has Matic, Carrick and Jose to get tactical advice from. He already has the skill set needed and most importantly the willingness
That's right. I often wonder if that's why Matic has a tendency to ponder on the ball longer than he should at times. Either way it's not abnormal for midfielders to move back deeper through their careers.
Same for me.
From what I've seen of both players, McTominay should absolutely not be ahead of Pereira. In FM terms, Pereira is a decent/good Premier League player, McTominay is a leading League One player.
From watching him since youth football through to catching some of his matches for Valencia, I disagree with the passing and vision. He's got a world class goal in him but his vision and passing isnt on that level in my opinion. You are right about some of turning and dribbling though maybe thats close. But I think it all gets used to greater effect far up the pitch nearer the goal. Meanwhile I've never thought to myself that Andreas has defensive instincts and can spot danger which is something asked of a number 6. I'll wait to watch him in a few more games in the position and see if he impresses me with that aspect but it'd be a pleasant surprise if he picks it up.
No it isn't. He's not ready to play there regularly for us because I felt his passing was still too erratic. I never implied he had to be perfect.
He didn't exactly light up at Valencia either. He needs more game time somewhere else imo, don't see him starting ahead of Herrera or Fellaini if any of our first 3 midfielders get injured.
He has great potential. Hope we keep playing him, i love his style
He played in a completely different position at Valencia.
The Bayern game on Sunday will tell us a lot about how Mourinho is thinking. If Pereira starts on Sunday and doesnt choke, I would guess he has a good chance to start against Leicester. If he doesnt... hm, I would think not so much.
Something tells me that Mourinho is going to go with the old guard as much as he is able to against Leicester; even taken into account late arrivals, etc. But its anyones guess I suppose.
Again: will be really interesting to see how we approach the Bayern game. There are a lot of players that need to get back in there after the WC. That needs playing time. At the same time, its the last game before the league starts. I would imagine Mourinho starting with something similar to the line-up that is supposed to face Leicester. Thus my thoughts about Pereira.
Interesting game ahead against Bayern though; seems like the pre-season starts and and concludes at the same time on Sunday in some weird way!
Something tells me that Mourinho is going to go with the old guard as much as he is able to against Leicester; even taken into account late arrivals, etc. But its anyones guess I suppose.
Again: will be really interesting to see how we approach the Bayern game. There are a lot of players that need to get back in there after the WC. That needs playing time. At the same time, its the last game before the league starts. I would imagine Mourinho starting with something similar to the line-up that is supposed to face Leicester. Thus my thoughts about Pereira.
Interesting game ahead against Bayern though; seems like the pre-season starts and and concludes at the same time on Sunday in some weird way!
All the more reason not to throw him in as a 6 all of a sudden for us.
He's pretty much guaranteed to start against Leicester.
Not at all. Much better to throw him in in a position which suits him, than maybe playing him out of position such as out wide, on the left or the right.
I adressed this in my previous posts. My concern is that he's not yet ready to regularly start as a 6.
He won't regularly start though, Matic will. How does that translate to you then saying he needs to play elsewhere. Why would he do that?
He won't be our only player playing there. He'll get a good number of games hopefully and get used to the role.
Because he's 22 and needs regular game time, obviously!
He's most likely not getting in ahead of Herrera and Fellaini on the standby list but needs to play to establish his potential. 22 is young but if he went on loan to get gametime last season, chances are he'd need to do the same this season.
He won't even be playing the same position as Fellaini. At no point will Fellaini ever be our 6.
Since he went on loan last season that means he needs to this season as well? What kind of logic is that.
He'll get plenty of time here.
Its decision making. Sometimes he plays something too risky, or he tries to do a clever turn but gets into trouble. If he stays in the squad this year i think Mourinho will want to check if he can trust him in cup games first and see how quickly he learns. In the PL the mistakes will cost us. Maybe by the season end he will be getting PL games but i doubt he will start the season.
Do you want me to spell it out for you?
He wasn't able to get enough game time at seasons start last season when we had a non existent Carrick plus others.
Now he's back and we have Fred replacing Carrick plus everyone else. He hasn't lit up at Valencia and he wasn't even played in the role Mourinho used him in preseason. Fred is a 6, Herrera is a backup 6 and then there's probably him.
This season there's even more competition for the place, so why on earth is it not a good idea for him to go on loan again? It got him good experience last season and he's 22. He needs to play more than just a handful of games, and I'm sure he knows that. In fact it was his choice to go on loan last season for the exact reasons. This season its even more fierce for places.
'Fred is a 6'
Well, he is almost guaranteed to start the Leicester game as No 6.
Except that Fred is not a 6 and Herrera is also a better 8 than 6.
This is an early prediction, but I reckon he’s gonna get 20-odd games this season for us across all comps, which is not too dissimilar from what he’s gonna get on loan.
Herrera is on his final year and he’s getting replaced by Fred long term. I reckon Pereira has a good chance of climbing above him in the pecking order partly due to that and partly because he’s more versatile and can cover for Matic, Pogba or one of the attacking mids like Mata/Lingard.
While a player belongs to you, you need to try him out for a season. Not every game of course but enough games to see if he’s got what it takes to make it here. Loan moves alone will never prove that. This is the year for Pereira to do that and I think both Mourinho and him realise that.
Fred isn't a 6, nor is he a Carrick replacement, jeez
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