Mesut Özil retires from "die Mannschaft"

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what if he performed badly due to racism? I reckon if he moved to Turkey he would be the best player in the world
 

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While it's easy to ridicule "white men says no racism occured", Ozil's actions speak for themselves. If Toni Kroos had posed with Erdogan, he would have been hounded by the press, and rightly so. I still can't get my head around what Ozil did. Here is a man, born in Germany, and he goes and aligns himself with someone who equates modern day Germany - the most liberal and refugee-welcoming country in Europe - by its Nazi history.
They are missing the mark, Ozil never said racism exists within the national team, he said it's within the nation (and DFB, based on the actions of the chief) itself in how different they treat 2nd generation German nationals compared to those whose heritage is from Germany. I don't think he is wrong there, though it can be said for many nations, not just Germany.

Regarding his form. He looks just lost mentally and isn't enjoying his football anymore. I hope he takes some time off to get his head back or just retire completely until he does his reputation more harm.
 

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Can't remember the last time he positively influenced a big game. He's so utterly predictable.
 

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Same old Ozil said it from the moment we signed him. He’s a 15 minute player who cannot be counted on to turn up in matches. Deluded fans thought he was world class but he never was and never will be.
 

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Im so glad we never went for him, he plays like he doesnt give a shit.
He was completely invisible today.
 

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I'l forever hate Arsenal for what they turned him into. At 24 he was probably the best playmaker in the world and now he's nowhere near that level. He should've stayed at Madrid and waited for a move to a bigger club with bigger ambitions to push him.
 

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I'l forever hate Arsenal for what they turned him into. At 24 he was probably the best playmaker in the world and now he's nowhere near that level. He should've stayed at Madrid and waited for a move to a bigger club with bigger ambitions to push him.
Özil went to Arsenal because he didn't want to be pushed.
 

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I'l forever hate Arsenal for what they turned him into. At 24 he was probably the best playmaker in the world and now he's nowhere near that level. He should've stayed at Madrid and waited for a move to a bigger club with bigger ambitions to push him.
Why would you hate Arsenal? It's Ozil himself who just doesn't give a damn anymore.
 

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Özil went to Arsenal because he didn't want to be pushed.
Why would you hate Arsenal? It's Ozil himself who just doesn't give a damn anymore.
I don't think it only has to do with Ozil. Arsenal as a team have been in decline since he joined and he didn't have the personal around him to succeed as well, he had to deal with Giroud as a striker for most of his time there, even then he broke the record for quickest to 50 assists in the league so his performances haven't been that poor.

Ozil does need a manager to push him, and Wenger certainly wasn't that. His softness went to Ozil who continued to play at his languid level and not push himself to be better like he was at Madrid, and Germany during the past 5 years.
 

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I don't think it only has to do with Ozil. Arsenal as a team have been in decline since he joined and he didn't have the personal around him to succeed as well, he had to deal with Giroud as a striker for most of his time there, even then he broke the record for quickest to 50 assists in the league so his performances haven't been that poor.

Ozil does need a manager to push him, and Wenger certainly wasn't that. His softness went to Ozil who continued to play at his languid level and not push himself to be better like he was at Madrid, and Germany during the past 5 years.
Maybe if he wasn't a lazy unambitious shit he wouldn't have moved to Arsenal in the first place.
 

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Remember Fergie telling Rooney to feck off when Rooney told Fergie he should be buying him.
 

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what if he performed badly due to racism? I reckon if he moved to Turkey he would be the best player in the world
Is he even allowed to change national team now, if he choose to play for the Turkey national football team. Don't think FIFA allows. Such a shame as he's one of Die Mannschaft very few world-class players now and he can still contribute a few more years at the highest level.
 

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Is he even allowed to change national team now, if he choose to play for the Turkey national football team. Don't think FIFA allows. Such a shame as he's one of Die Mannschaft very few world-class players now and he can still contribute a few more years at the highest level.
Shame? Özil ist the epitome of a good weather player. If things go well for the team, he is indeed world class. The moment things get rough he is barely on the pitch. An outstanding team doesn't need players who just "win-more" on good days, but players who perform on bad days.
 

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Is he even allowed to change national team now, if he choose to play for the Turkey national football team. Don't think FIFA allows. Such a shame as he's one of Die Mannschaft very few world-class players now and he can still contribute a few more years at the highest level.
It isnt allowed. Once you play a competitive game, it is over usually. Özil has close to a 100 games for Germany.

Germany should start playing the youngsters and bed them in. It may take a tournament or two before they can challenge for the trophies, but it is time for them to use fresh players, that also happen to be quite talented. That is what they seem to do currently, with a few older players still hanging around
 

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Maybe if he wasn't a lazy unambitious shit he wouldn't have moved to Arsenal in the first place.
There were serious rumours that we were in for him when he was still at Bremen. After the 2010 WC, those rumours intensified but we all know what happened. I think we showed interest when he was leaving Real but not enough to tempt him.