Adebesi
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@Pogue Mahone Praise for Van Gaal's style of football, that is a collector's item.
Isn't it?The funniest bit is the last post before today's bump.
Remember when I used to get criticised for posts like this when I said our performance levels under Fergie equated to decent football.I honestly think some of you will never be happy. We're playing some decent football at the moment I feel.
Classic Twigg bumping it from three minutes beforeClassic Twigg bump. Surprised you didn't quote 10 people in the thread.
Sorry bump the wrong word. Meant more digging up an old post to gloat.Classic Twigg bumping it from three minutes before
Yeah I'll admit I love a bit of that.Sorry bump the wrong word. Meant more digging up an old post to gloat.
Fair point, well put.@golden_blunder , it's not back because it never really left
I wouldn't even really mind (well, I would, but I'd mind less) if our catatonic attacking was backed up by a rock-solid defence. But we're shite with the ball, and we're shite without it. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a supposedly top-class side (on paper) with so little idea of what they were doing on the pitch. It's a bit like the testimonial XI's you get where the players have never played together beforeIt’s baaaaacccckkkkkk
Never more so than last night. It was like watching snails.
Yes I know this is an old thread but in looking for this thread i see that people were complaining about passing tempo for at least the last 5 years
It really boils down to hiring managers who don’t understand the traditions of Manchester United. Attacking football. Wingers. Breaking at pace. Adventure. Young players. A beat the world attitude.
Not only have the last couple of managers not got the idea of attacking football, they’ve stank the place out with negativity.
Time to go back to United basics and not kid ourselves that chucking money or big name managers at it is going to change the current situation.
So it's 4 managers fault? Not a Manager?Crazy to think that this has been going for years, and the thread is right, it started in the last few seasons under SAF.
It all stems from the Manager as well, we've hired negative and in the process we have shackled any semblance of creativity with our set ups in the main.
And they wouldn't need 3+ years to show their impact.Its frustrating that this issue could have been resolved with any one of our nearest rivals managers.. Pep, Klopp and Sarri.
If you are asked Lukaku to move around for 90 minutes, he'd need to be taken away on a stretcher.that tittle
more to the point - I've been thinking about myself. Maybe we don't have players who can be in constant motion through 90 mins.
Indeed.We have no pace at all in midfield. Just three lumbering giants.
You don't need pace in midfield. Look at Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta.. individually, they're snails and slower than Pogba in a sprint. Same goes for Kroos-Modric, or Silva/KDB.We have no pace at all in midfield. Just three lumbering giants.
Create new threads instead of bumping old ones.
Last post in the thread at 2016 contradicting the post that bumped it and both are admins.It’s baaaaacccckkkkkk
Never more so than last night. It was like watching snails.
Yes I know this is an old thread but in looking for this thread i see that people were complaining about passing tempo for at least the last 5 years
It really boils down to hiring managers who don’t understand the traditions of Manchester United. Attacking football. Wingers. Breaking at pace. Adventure. Young players. A beat the world attitude.
Not only have the last couple of managers not got the idea of attacking football, they’ve stank the place out with negativity.
Time to go back to United basics and not kid ourselves that chucking money or big name managers at it is going to change the current situation.
Completely wrong there. Any of them has quicker reactions and would beat Pogba over 5-10 m. In football, you don't need to sprint 60-70 m. Midifielders need to be quick over short distances. Pogba is a fantastic athlete but KDB, Iniesta etc. are quicker over short distances and much more agile. Matic would beat Kante over 100 m or even 50 m without problems. Kante, however, eats him alive over 10-15 m. The problem with Matic, Fellaini, Pogba, McTominay is not that they are slow over 50-60m, they are not. But they are not quick over 5-10 m and not nimble enough. There is a reason why the most dynamic teams in the league don't have giants in midfield and attack.You don't need pace in midfield. Look at Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta.. individually, they're snails and slower than Pogba in a sprint. Same goes for Kroos-Modric, or Silva/KDB.
It is about improving players reaction times, their intelligence in terms of taking up good positions constantly on and off the ball, fast one-touch passing and finding easy passes between the lines and constantly finding people in space.
If you don't encourage that style of play, and you don't improve players in this regard, they end up not knowing where their colleagues are, they end up dwindling on the ball and it just becomes a clusterfeck.. where each attack, the players themselves are having to formulate a way of getting the ball from a to b. It isn't automated enough.
Latter years of Fergie, our play become aimless in the midfield whenever Scholes wasn't in the side. Carrick in particular, was a big issue as he was a good passer from a to be but he was very limited in terms of movement off the ball.. which made us very easy to press. That in addition to not really having coaches in the set up who improved the players ability to pass in constant triangles and provide them with the tactical framework to keep possession under pressure and play at a higher tempo.
Just shows how badly we’ve been setup that it still hasn’t been addressedCan’t believe this thread is 6 years old. Time flies when you’re having fun
We're not setup to play in that way though, that's one style and one as a club we've barely adopted.You don't need pace in midfield. Look at Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta.. individually, they're snails and slower than Pogba in a sprint. Same goes for Kroos-Modric, or Silva/KDB.
It is about improving players reaction times, their intelligence in terms of taking up good positions constantly on and off the ball, fast one-touch passing and finding easy passes between the lines and constantly finding people in space.
If you don't encourage that style of play, and you don't improve players in this regard, they end up not knowing where their colleagues are, they end up dwindling on the ball and it just becomes a clusterfeck.. where each attack, the players themselves are having to formulate a way of getting the ball from a to b. It isn't automated enough.
Latter years of Fergie, our play become aimless in the midfield whenever Scholes wasn't in the side. Carrick in particular, was a big issue as he was a good passer from a to be but he was very limited in terms of movement off the ball.. which made us very easy to press. That in addition to not really having coaches in the set up who improved the players ability to pass in constant triangles and provide them with the tactical framework to keep possession under pressure and play at a higher tempo.
We zombie walked into a couple of league titlesI miss static, slow motion passing from the Fergie era :sad: