“Certainly he [Bobby Charlton], Ferguson and Gill were against the move”

[Wumminator]

This has just been a quote on Five Live from Sam Lockhurst at the MEN, talking about Mourinho being hired. The Five Live presenter acted like it was common knowledge. He also said Bobby Charlton hasn’t been at the club all year.

What the hell are we doing as a club? How can it be when every single United fan knew what we were getting into by hiring Mourinho this still went ahead.

The basic idea of this thread is to try and get a groundswell of support for Ferguson, Charlton, Gill and the rest being given a more active roll at the club. These people get Man United and somehow we have allowed people with outside interests to push forward the idea of Mourinho and his ilk.

 

[Jacko21]

That was common knowledge.

 

[The Cat]

This was well known at least 6 months before the appointment yes?

 

[Scarecrow]

And 81% of this forum was for it, if my memory serves me right.

 

[Wumminator]

This was well known at least 6 months before the appointment yes?

Charlton I know, but Ferguson and Gill I didn’t know. Even Charlton I thought was conjecture.

 

[LInkash]

Well, Fergie was for Moyes and that didn't turn out very well so what can you do.

 

[Bastian]

SAF against hiring Mourinho? First I've heard of it.

What would it take for the owners to make such a move? It would be pretty damning for Woodward for the club to then go back to his predecessor to ask for help. But it would be the best course of action, if Gill is up for it. With SAF I'm worried about his health and he doesn't need to be on this stressful rollercoaster of a club in chaos and Bobby is getting on a bit in fairness.

With the ex players there aren't that many that come across as highly intelligent. VDS is already at Ajax. There are a few others perhaps.

 

[liamp]

I think everyone knew what we were getting into with Mourinho. They were ultimately right about that, just like they were wrong about Moyes. They're legends of the club but I wouldn't want them running the club in today's footballing world.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

And 81% of this forum was for it, if my memory serves me right.

Back to hindsight again, unfortunately he is the right man, but at the wrong time. We needed him when he still had the love for the game. He just looks like it is a chore to turn up half the time.

 

[Greck]

We didn't actually know what we were getting into. By LVG's last season many acted like we were idiots for not going after Jose by listening to Charlton's recommendation. On the pitch many also thought we would get the Madrid version of Jose that would break goal scoring records. Also thought he failed at Madrid and Chelsea because they were circuses. Now we know from experience he was likely the circus master

 

[langster]

And 81% of this forum was for it, if my memory serves me right.

Yup. A large percentage were for Mourinho and many said they didn't care about the baggage that comes with him, the chaos he causes or the shit football his team's can produce, all because he is a proven winner and would bring glory back to OT.

Unsurprising many are so fickle and hypocritical, short sighted and I hate to say it, but glory hunters who care more about silverware than everything the club stood for and built before they hired Mourinho.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Well, they were right on this one.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

This has just been a quote on Five Live from Sam Lockhurst at the MEN, talking about Mourinho being hired. The Five Live presenter acted like it was common knowledge. He also said Bobby Charlton hasn’t been at the club all year.

What the hell are we doing as a club? How can it be when every single United fan knew what we were getting into by hiring Mourinho this still went ahead.

The basic idea of this thread is to try and get a groundswell of support for Ferguson, Charlton, Gill and the rest being given a more active roll at the club. These people get Man United and somehow we have allowed people with outside interests to push forward the idea of Mourinho and his ilk.

Awesome idea for a thread. Any idea who tried to block Moyes and Van Gaal? I'd be well up for getting a "groundswell of support" to give them a more active "roll" at the club too, whoever they are.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

This was well known at least 6 months before the appointment yes?

Charlton, definitely. Didn't know Sir Alex and Gill were also against the decision.

 

[Wumminator]

Awesome idea for a thread. Any idea who tried to block Moyes and Van Gaal? I'd be well up for getting a "groundswell of support" behind them as well, whoever they are.

Moyes and Van Gaal were unfortunately hurlings that didn’t work out. They were made with the best of intentions and it can definitely be argued LVG was our most successful post Ferguson manager.

With Mourinho a plethora of highly intelligent footballing men saw this coming. It was obvious ffs. So why were they ignored?

 

[Bastian]

Yup. A large percentage were for Mourinho and many said they didn't care about the baggage that comes with him, the chaos he causes or the shit football his team's can produce, all because he is a proven winner and would bring glory back to OT.

Unsurprising many are so fickle and hypocritical, short sighted and I hate to say it, but glory hunters who care more about silverware than everything the club stood for and built before they hired Mourinho.

Did Moyes fit with what the club stood for? Celebration of mediocrity? There is absolutely no comparison between him and what SAF had achieved before he arrived.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Moyes and Van Gaal were unfortunately hurlings that didn’t work out. They were made with the best of intentions and it can definitely be argued LVG was our most successful post Ferguson manager.

With Mourinho a plethora of highly intelligent footballing men saw this coming. It was obvious ffs. So why were they ignored?

To be honest, I'm more interested in identifying some highly intelligent football men at the club who also predicted that Moyes and Van Gaal would be disasters. Surely they must exist? Getting one veto right out of three really isn't a reassuring strike rate.

EDIT: Also. Van Gaal our most succesful post Ferguson manager? Classic!

 

[Rozay]

This has just been a quote on Five Live from Sam Lockhurst at the MEN, talking about Mourinho being hired. The Five Live presenter acted like it was common knowledge. He also said Bobby Charlton hasn’t been at the club all year.

What the hell are we doing as a club? How can it be when every single United fan knew what we were getting into by hiring Mourinho this still went ahead.

The basic idea of this thread is to try and get a groundswell of support for Ferguson, Charlton, Gill and the rest being given a more active roll at the club. These people get Man United and somehow we have allowed people with outside interests to push forward the idea of Mourinho and his ilk.

If Ferguson, Gill or Charlton do not have the job of choosing the manager, then who gives a feck? Footy fans really are brats sometimes with their witch hunts. All of a sudden we lose a few games and it’s all out war against our own boss.

Fergie, Gill and Charlton has their chance to choose a manager and the best they could come up with was David fecking Moyes so they can all keep quiet. Jose may Not have worked out to the extent we all hoped, but he was an obvious choice and one of the leading managers in the world. Now we have threads like this but I can’t recall too many of us appointing a manager of such a profile.

 

[Sandikan]

"Yeah we were all against it"

Reminds me of the end of the moyes period, people trying to absolve themselves of any blame.

I still will always think we should have appointed mourinho after fergie.

 

[Borden]

This has just been a quote on Five Live from Sam Lockhurst at the MEN, talking about Mourinho being hired. The Five Live presenter acted like it was common knowledge. He also said Bobby Charlton hasn’t been at the club all year.

What the hell are we doing as a club? How can it be when every single United fan knew what we were getting into by hiring Mourinho this still went ahead.

The basic idea of this thread is to try and get a groundswell of support for Ferguson, Charlton, Gill and the rest being given a more active roll at the club. These people get Man United and somehow we have allowed people with outside interests to push forward the idea of Mourinho and his ilk.

That's not remotely true though. There were plenty of nimwits who deluded themselves into thinking we were his "dream job" and that he would change at United.

 

[Random Task]

I think Jose Mourinho was a necessary appointment at the time, even if it was somewhat of a risk given the way it ended for him at Chelsea and Real. Personally, I was all over the idea of hiring him and I don't think I was alone.

The club needed a proven winner to instil the correct attitude into the players, and for the first couple of years, we appeared to be progressing rather well. Shame how it has ended.

 

[antohan]

To be honest, I think what most wanted was someone who was big enough for the club and pressure that comes with it. Steady the ship and avoid spiralling out of control, winning stuff would be a bonus.

I often wonder if what broke him wasn't Madrid but, while at Madrid, the notion David feckin' Moyes was preferred as Fergie's successor. It sure would break me.

 

[langster]

Did Moyes fit with what the club stood for? Celebration of mediocrity? There is absolutely no comparison between him and what SAF had achieved before he arrived.

I didn't say that did I? And no we shouldn't celebrate mediocrity either. Doesn't change the facts that Mourinho is poison and many knew this which is why we never wanted him in the first place. Nor does it change that many wanted trophies and CL football at any cost. Well he got 2 and 2 years of CL football again. Was it worth it?

Not in my eyes. I'd rather given someone 3 years to build from scratch and accepted no trophies or CL football but a clear vision and improvement in squad and the football being played.

 

[Revaulx]

Awesome idea for a thread. Any idea who tried to block Moyes and Van Gaal? I'd be well up for getting a "groundswell of support" to give them a more active "roll" at the club too, whoever they are.

I've always wondered what Gill's position was on Moyes, who looked as much a Glazer choice ("success" on the cheap) as a SAF one. Maybe Gill was horrified at the idea, failed to block it and consequently threw in the towel?

 

[markelphick]

"Yeah we were all against it"

Reminds me of the end of the moyes period, people trying to absolve themselves of any blame.

I still will always think we should have appointed mourinho after fergie.

I agree, maybe things would have worked out differently 5 years ago

 

[antohan]

Awesome idea for a thread. Any idea who tried to block Moyes and Van Gaal? I'd be well up for getting a "groundswell of support" to give them a more active "roll" at the club too, whoever they are.

I think that description probably fits Rooney, particularly the roll part.

 

[Theonas]

Moyes and Van Gaal were unfortunately hurlings that didn’t work out. They were made with the best of intentions and it can definitely be argued LVG was our most successful post Ferguson manager.

With Mourinho a plethora of highly intelligent footballing men saw this coming. It was obvious ffs. So why were they ignored?

It's not just a plethora of intelligent men. It's every man in football bar Moratti and Perez in the past 10 years and one can argue they are not real footballing men. Even Abramovic exhausted every option before he finally turned back to him. Everyone else from Butragueño, Cruyff, Charlton, the Bayern hierarchy and the new money at City and PSG looked past him and that was when he was at his most successful. The idea that Woodward and our board could not see a pattern there is nothing short of gross negligence.

 

[Sarni]

it can definitely be argued LVG was our most successful post Ferguson manager.

How though? Love him or hate him, and if only for the lack competition it has clearly been Mourinho. Better results in the league, more trophies, similarly boring and uninspiring football at worst.

All of our appointments have been underwhelming though so it’s just a discussion about who has been the least crap.

 

[Adisa]

And 81% of this forum was for it, if my memory serves me right.

Happy to say I was part of the 19%. This club submitted to desperation, hiring Mourinho.

 

[Red_Ramirez]

#BringBackDavidMoyes

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[Mr Pigeon]

And 81% of this forum was for it, if my memory serves me right.

Starve someone for five days and then offer them a steak covered in dog shit.

 

[Eckers99]

Moyes and Van Gaal were unfortunately hurlings that didn’t work out. They were made with the best of intentions and it can definitely be argued LVG was our most successful post Ferguson manager.

With Mourinho a plethora of highly intelligent footballing men saw this coming. It was obvious ffs. So why were they ignored?

It can. But only by absolute maniacs.

 

[Judas]

I think a part of me always thought it would end up going tits up under Jose, but at the same time I honestly believed we'd at least get a league title out of it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Starve someone for five days and then offer them a steak covered in dog shit.

 

[Ramshock]

This has just been a quote on Five Live from Sam Lockhurst at the MEN, talking about Mourinho being hired. The Five Live presenter acted like it was common knowledge. He also said Bobby Charlton hasn’t been at the club all year.

What the hell are we doing as a club? How can it be when every single United fan knew what we were getting into by hiring Mourinho this still went ahead.

The basic idea of this thread is to try and get a groundswell of support for Ferguson, Charlton, Gill and the rest being given a more active roll at the club. These people get Man United and somehow we have allowed people with outside interests to push forward the idea of Mourinho and his ilk.

"Mourinho and his ilk"

Thats all you need to know about posters like you

 

[Wumminator]

How though? Love him or hate him, and if only for the lack competition it has clearly been Mourinho. Better results in the league, more trophies, similarly boring and uninspiring football at worst.

All of our appointments have been underwhelming though so it’s just a discussion about who has been the least crap.

He’s the only one who will take us higher than when we got him in.

Also our best cup win.

 

[Jacko21]

Charlton I know, but Ferguson and Gill I didn’t know. Even Charlton I thought was conjecture.

Charlton, definitely. Didn't know Sir Alex and Gill were also against the decision.

This is referring to 2013. They were no doubt still sceptical in 2016 though.

Mourinho was unencumbered in Summer 2013. It was known he would be leaving Real. Yet Manchester United took the decision to hire Moyes over Mourinho - a man most were convinced would be SAF's successor. That couldn't have happened without something (or someone) significant influencing the decision. The board appointed Moyes on recommendation.

 

[sp_107]

SAF approached Moyes in February of 2013 according to Moyes own words and by that time Jose didn't make any promises to Chelsea

even Jose did,if SAF asked him sure he could have came to UTD as Jose always liked UTD

I don't think SAF ever liked Jose at UTD because of that excessive package he brings in with him !

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I think a part of me always thought it would end up going tits up under Jose, but at the same time I honestly believed we'd at least get a league title out of it.

I think we all (well, most of us) thought it wouldn’t end well but we all (well, most of us) were ok with a high risk, short term appointment so long as it arrested the grim trend of becoming serial losers. Winning two trophies in his first season and finishing second in his second season was actually not all that far off what we were hoping for. It’s what’s happened since then (as well as the last 12 months of awful footbal) that have done for him.

 

[harms]

What the hell are we doing as a club? How can it be when every single United fan knew what we were getting into by hiring Mourinho this still went ahead.

That's pretty far from the truth. Mourinho was one of the best choices at the time, perhaps the best from those who were available. The only concerns regarding him was his inability to create a prolonged successful project, which he failed to do. It's not like Pep was available.