Reminder: Jose managed to turn Chelsea fans against Hazard

[mancan92]

No he hasn’t. Every player has had ups and downs. Chris Smalling has probably been the best/most consistent. Pogba’s had a few very good games and a few dreadful games. Something you could say about almost half our squad.

On these very boards pogba had the highest average rating in the team before the southampton game. He was our top performer even when we were complete crap he would be the only player to come out with any actual credit and in our best performances he was the best player.

Honestly very short memory. How can you say Smalling has been our best performer when our defence has been a complete no show and he personally as been responsible for some very poor errors. Linderlof has been better than smalling mostly.

It's not a high bar in terms of performance to say pogba has been our best player but for sure there is no arguing he has at least been in our top 3 performers in 90% of matches so I don't see how people can constently berate him and say hes inconsistent. Our whole team is inconsistent why would you expect 1 player to play brilliant every week. No player plays consistently great every week when in a struggling team so why would you expect pogba to.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Yeah, there were a bunch of people all too happy to trade Martial for Willian.


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If the swap had happened, we'd be closer to 15th with a front three of Sanchez Lukaku Willian and Chelsea would be closer to the top with another clinical finisher in attack.

Chelsea fans have been wanting Willian sold for two or more years now.

I mean, people that actively advocated that swap were clearly only justifying such a ridiculous deal based on their love for Mourinho. It made zero sense.

As I've said before, Willian is weirdly rated around here and Chelsea fans don't even rate him too highly.

 

[Rajma]

Yeah, there were a bunch of people all too happy to trade Martial for Willian.


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If the swap had happened, we'd be closer to 15th with a front three of Sanchez Lukaku Willian and Chelsea would be closer to the top with another clinical finisher in attack.

Chelsea fans have been wanting Willian sold for two or more years now.

@haram

 

[Judas]

I wasn't too high on Martial in the summer, but even I thought the idea of that swap deal was just absolutely astonishingly stupid.

 

[Siorac]

Yeah, there were a bunch of people all too happy to trade Martial for Willian.


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If the swap had happened, we'd be closer to 15th with a front three of Sanchez Lukaku Willian and Chelsea would be closer to the top with another clinical finisher in attack.

Chelsea fans have been wanting Willian sold for two or more years now.

That first tweet is absolutely savage.

Willian probably has a higher approval rate in Manchester than in Brazil.

 

[PlayerOne]

Well put together @Damien

Just shows how blind and fickle some fans are.

 

[Santoryo]

I jump on accusations because it’s never his performances it’s his hair cuts and dancing.. I haven’t seen a dance video in donkeys years and Arsenal fans have yet to mention Abumayang’s haircuts so why is it such a big thing with Pogba. Matic strolls around the pitch too but we are not jumping around calling him lazy. I just think it’s pathetic. However talk about it and you’ll get attacked, I’m just pointing out what it is. But I’ll repeat where have a called anyone racist?!

To be honest most of the people you're arguing this issue with probably know that Pogba got booed because of Mourinho little tricks but they'd rather be disingenuous about it and pretend otherwise.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Yeah, there were a bunch of people all too happy to trade Martial for Willian.


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If the swap had happened, we'd be closer to 15th with a front three of Sanchez Lukaku Willian and Chelsea would be closer to the top with another clinical finisher in attack.

Chelsea fans have been wanting Willian sold for two or more years now.

I think that always had far more to do with the fact that Willian has had a bizarre fanbase on this website for several years which is completely removed from his actual ability, performances, or quality than any pro- or anti- Mourinho sentiment. Ask people like Sigma, who I assume is represented in those quotes, what on earth they see in him.

A little bit like this thread, actually, it's possible to think that Mourinho needs to go, and completely independently arrive at the conclusion that Pogba let down himself and the club on Saturday. In fact, if anything, opinions towards Pogba seem to have softened since Mourinho's quotes leaked compared to the immediate aftermath to the game as people don't want to be seen as agreeing with Mourinho, even when he's simply echoing something they've already said.

 

[Greck]

It's why a clubs should never keep Jose past his expiry date . Between now and his exit he's going to pull a lot more toxic crap through leaks and press conferences. That castles leak is the kind of chess move you read in the art of war or 48 laws. Well played on his part.

 

[TrueRed79]

Football fans have notoriously short memories. Both Jose and Pogba and cnuts. Hopefully both of them get binned come the end of the season. This side show has gone on too long. But lets face fact. Jose is a far bigger cnut than Pogba, that's for sure.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

To be honest most of the people you're arguing this issue with probably know that Pogba got booed because of Mourinho little tricks but they'd rather be disingenuous about it and pretend otherwise.

You're so obnoxious.

So this morning I've learned you only criticise Pogba if you're racist or if you've fallen for "tricks" by Mourinho.

Utter, utter bollocks.

 

[Robbie Boy]

@JoseMourinho

Fixed that for you.

 

[Santoryo]

That first tweet is absolutely savage.

Willian probably has a higher approval rate in Manchester than in Brazil.

 

[roonster09]

Yeah, there were a bunch of people all too happy to trade Martial for Willian.

Willian and Perisic, excuses Jose fans will use forever.

 

[Rajma]

Fixed that for you.

We had a argument this summer around who would strengthen as more Willian or Mahrez if we sold Martial. He clearly wasn’t blinded by his unconditional love to Jose, aye.

 

[Ban]

You're so obnoxious.

So this morning I've learned you only criticise Pogba if you're racist or if you've fallen for "tricks" by Mourinho.

Utter, utter bollocks.

Yeah, you don't have mind of your own. Mourinho hypnotized you.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Willian and Perisic, excuses Jose fans will use forever.

Don't forget Harry fecking Maguire. Let's also pretend that Perisic didn't already state that he was the one who turned us down.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Yeah, you don't have mind of your own. Mourinho hypnotized you.

Damn.

I hate it when that happens.

 

[roonster09]

Don't forget Harry fecking Maguire. Let's also pretend that Perisic didn't already state that he was the one who turned us down.

Means feck all. Woodward didn't sign him and he signs who he wants. Maybe you missed the memo.

Whole footballing world revolves around ManUtd. It doesn't matter what other club or player thinks, if we didn't sign then it means manager wasn't backed or woodward didn't like the player.

 

[DWelbz19]

They don't like the club but him. It's crazy

Cyanide in my styrofoam cup

 

[UncleBob]

Don't forget Harry fecking Maguire. Let's also pretend that Perisic didn't already state that he was the one who turned us down.

Meh, just the usual fan friendly comments after a long transfer saga. If we had forked out the insane fees that Inter were asking for, Perisic would've signed without hesitating

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I think that always had far more to do with the fact that Willian has had a bizarre fanbase on this website for several years which is completely removed from his actual ability, performances, or quality than any pro- or anti- Mourinho sentiment. Ask people like Sigma, who I assume is represented in those quotes, what on earth they see in him.

A little bit like this thread, actually, it's possible to think that Mourinho needs to go, and completely independently arrive at the conclusion that Pogba let down himself and the club on Saturday. In fact, if anything, opinions towards Pogba seem to have softened since Mourinho's quotes leaked compared to the immediate aftermath to the game as people don't want to be seen as agreeing with Mourinho, even when he's simply echoing something they've already said.

Well said.

Pogba’s been driving me up the fecking wall for most of his United career to date but the recent scape-goating from Mourinho has made even me side with him against the manager.

Nonetheless, I reserve the right to hold onto my opinion that his last two “performances” have been disgracefully bad and, overall, he’s been nowhere near good enough for a supposedly world class footballer. If he had Ander Herrera’s workrate and desire he’d seem like a bargain, even at the price we paid. As it stands, it looks like we were taken to the cleaners. Again. And I’m genuinely bemused by how highly his performances this season have been rated by his fans on here.

 

[SteveTheRed]

Shocking news. Football fans are fickle and only care about their team winning.

Hazard was a little shit in that season, looked like he couldn't care less that fans were paying hard earned money to watch him walk about and play at 60%, turn up for the odd game (reminds me of someone?). Now he has gone back to his best and fans love him.

People love to reminisce of the days when Fergie would kick out a player who fell out of line with the manager no matter how good they were (Beckham, Keane, Van Nistelrooy). Those days are long gone.

 

[OL29]

Put a sock in it, you obnoxious prats. The matchgoing fans you’re sniping at do a hell of a lot more for the club than either of you. Including during the Fergie years, when you enjoyed the sort of success you may never see again.

There’s always been different opinions amongst fans about the manager. And this isn’t a new phenomenon. During Fergie’s reign there was almost always a vocal cohort who thought we could do better with a new manager in charge and I’m willing to bet there’s a big overlap between that cohort of tossers and the people who are getting on their high horse about the “sheep” staying loyal to the current manager.

The exact same right, more like.

Back the players and they deserve all the plaudits for doing more than the keyboard warriors to support the team. If they act like twats though, then they should get called out as twats.

Who said he should have been applauded? Ironically, the only reason anyone did applaud him was to drown out the wankers who were booing.

Interesting to see your reaction to when Fellaini was booed vs Pogba getting booed. Why the change of heart?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Shocking news. Football fans are fickle and only care about their team winning.

Hazard was a little shit in that season, looked like he couldn't care less that fans were paying hard earned money to watch him walk about and play at 60%, turn up for the odd game (reminds me of someone?). Now he has gone back to his best and fans love him.

People love to reminisce of the days when Fergie would kick out a player who fell out of line with the manager no matter how good they were (Beckham, Keane, Van Nistelrooy). Those days are long gone.

Exactly. Hazard turning it on under a new manager doesn’t retrospectively make fans criticising him for bad performances when he downed tools under Mourinho incorrect in their assessment of his attitude/performances at the time.

If/when we finally get rid of Mourinho and Pogba starts consistently playing like the world class footballer he’s supposed to be I’ll be absolutely delighted. It won’t change my opinion on what I’ve seen so far, though. Why would it?

 

[Janson]

Man I can't wait for Mourinho to be let go. That day will signify not only good days ahead for the club but also around these boards.

Mourinho devotees who follow him from club to club and are currently swarming these places will finally feck off while most guillable, top reds will finally shut up and stop regurgitating every single nonsense coming out of the man's mouth and threat them as gospel.

It gets exhausting reading some naive posts and constantly putting up with this cult like mentality certain posters have toward a man who's been a failure at our club.

This is coming from the president of Martial FC.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Interesting to see your reaction to when Fellaini was booed vs Pogba getting booed. Why the change of heart?

Because, for all his sins, Fellaini always gives 100%. I have far more sympathy for fans booing somebody who doesn’t try than somebody who just isn’t good enough. Fellaini was getting booed for an honest mistake (conceding a penalty) and that’s a shitty thing to do IMO.

 

[Kapardin]

You've never gone to a match in your life

Like I fecking care, doesn't make me ignorant of what the boos were about unlike you.

 

[OL29]

Because, for all his sins, Fellaini always gives 100%. I have far more sympathy for fans booing somebody who doesn’t try than somebody who just isn’t good enough. Fellaini was getting booed for an honest mistake (conceding a penalty) and that’s a shitty thing to do IMO.

If you say so, seems hypocritical to me.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

If you say so, seems hypocritical to me.

I can live with that. If you’re really in the mood for mining old posts you can find some from me defending fans who booed Nani when he walked slowly off the pitch after being subbed in a game where were behind and running out of time. Same logic applies.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Means feck all. Woodward didn't sign him and he signs who he wants. Maybe you missed the memo.

Whole footballing world revolves around ManUtd. It doesn't matter what other club or player thinks, if we didn't sign then it means manager wasn't backed or woodward didn't like the player.

Pretty much. We seem to be literally the only club with fans who spin these kind of rhetorics.

 

[UncleBob]

Shocking news. Football fans are fickle and only care about their team winning.

Hazard was a little shit in that season, looked like he couldn't care less that fans were paying hard earned money to watch him walk about and play at 60%, turn up for the odd game (reminds me of someone?). Now he has gone back to his best and fans love him.

People love to reminisce of the days when Fergie would kick out a player who fell out of line with the manager no matter how good they were (Beckham, Keane, Van Nistelrooy). Those days are long gone.

There's a slight difference here, Fergie had a group of players generally functioning well together (apart from when Keane was fecked off) and long between there were single players stepping out of line. Mourinho doesn't have that, Mourinho on the other hand has a well known history of creating turmoil, and he's happy to create issues to see if the player response is good enough. It's hardly a surprise that people have different views on it.

 

[Fracture90]

Yep and 1 famously had a sign saying Matic cesc and hazard the 3 rats.

Was it not Cesc, Hazard and Costa tho?

 

[BlueHaze]

This is the only thing he's been consistent with recent years, creating a toxic environment in clubs before he eventually fecks off. He left the Madrid dressing room in shambles, and I don't need to remind you of his last Chelsea escapade. He is now doing the same thing here and in a couple of years he will do it again for which ever poor bastards that decide to hire him. He is the first Man Utd manager that I genuinely hate and wish all the worst for. He gets 15m£ a season and can't even do a half decent job and does nothing but complain after he has been given 400m to spend. Now he is throwing our most expensive player in club history under the bus and treating him like absolute shit proving that money literally means nothing to him. He is a waste of life quite frankly.

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

While I agree that Mourinho is quite good at making it look like the players are at fault, Pogba is no Hazard. He doesn't have half the maturity, consistency or leadership qualities that Hazard has displayed before, during and after Chelsea's Mourinho years.

He is too selfish and immature to be a world-class player, despite coming up with moments of brilliance that seem to put him in that category. He really needs some leaders around him ala Pirlo/Vidal/Bonucci or even Zlatan before he left. Someone to keep him from being the biggest name in the team, to keep his ego and flamboyance in check. I really wish we hadn't let go of Zlatan. He would have been better than Lukaku upfront even now, and all of these Pogba issues would have been nipped in the bud. Maybe Sanchez was brought in to do the same, but that never worked out.

As of now, this team has no genuine leaders who lead by example and hold the manager's corner. No Terry/Drogba/Lampard to keep the attitudes in check. Those who say the right things aren't converting it onto the pitch (Lukaku/Herrera/Mata), and those who are making a difference on the pitch are frustrating with their attitude (Pogba, Martial). In the end we end up with mediocre players who at least try starting game in game out (matic, smalling, young, lingard).

Pogba is no innocent victim in this saga. Him and his agent have done a lot of pot stirring themselves, and if and when we have a better manager, a setup which identifies him as a top-class CM instead of a global financial asset, and a team which doesn't depend on him as much, I'd gladly let him and his ego go.

 

[EireRed_GS]

In light of what happened with Pogba I'd just like to remind everyone of those times we use to laugh at Chelsea fans for wanting their best player gone because of Jose's nonsenses.

Fast forward a few years later and a lot of gullible fans have eaten up Jose's words and are now turning on any player he point a finger at and lay the blame, blame which should mostly fall on his shoulders.

Frankly those fans who booed are an utter embarrassment and typify what mindless sheep are. Waiting to eat any nonsense Jose is ready to throw out there. And what's astonishing is that there isn't even any justification for this cult like following and worship these fans have for Mourinho.

We're sitting 8th with a negative goal difference yet there they are worshipping. Tottenham humiliate us in our own backyard and spank us 0-3 and they're quick to clap. I mean what is wrong with that lot?

Amen.

as i mentioned before, i think last night a lot of people are confusing an entertaining game with a good performance. Two different things lads

 

[Dec9003]

Hes been our best player this season

He's had a collection of crap performances with a couple of decent half matches sprinkled in. He's not been our best player at all.

 

[Raven]

Weirdos

You genuinely believe match going supporters booed Pogba because of Mourinho?
Not because of his mouthing off to the press this season and his consistently average to shite performances?

Yet, you say people who are fans of Mourinho are disgusting?

Strange bunch

Because this isn't true? Bar the last few games, he's comfortably been our best player this season. I agree, he was bad last week, but people have an agenda against Pogba, saying he's consistently shit/average.

Has he been a £90 million player? No. Has the team performed like a half billion pound team? No. The players are the least of our issues.

 

[In Rainbows]

Because this isn't true? Bar the last few games, he's comfortably been our best player this season. I agree, he was bad last week, but people have an agenda against Pogba, saying he's consistently shit/average.

Has he been a £90 million player? No. Has the team performed like a half billion pound team? No. The players are the least of our issues.

Don't bother. Guy clearly has an agenda against him.

 

[Raven]

Put a sock in it, you obnoxious prats. The matchgoing fans you’re sniping at do a hell of a lot more for the club than either of you. Including during the Fergie years, when you enjoyed the sort of success you may never see again.

There’s always been different opinions amongst fans about the manager. And this isn’t a new phenomenon. During Fergie’s reign there was almost always a vocal cohort who thought we could do better with a new manager in charge and I’m willing to bet there’s a big overlap between that cohort of tossers and the people who are getting on their high horse about the “sheep” staying loyal to the current manager.

Well, I can tell you right now, I'm adamantly Jose out, and see absolutely no similarities between supporting our greatest manager of all time, and supporting Jose fecking Mourinho.

People demanding a new manager whilst Fergie was in charge, were rightly looked at as lunatics, people demanding Mou out, definitely have a point. This is a forum and if someone says something out landish, of course it is going to be questioned, if the answer is not satisfactory, it will continue to be scrutinised.

In terms of match going fans, whilst they're great for their support, at any match I go to, I come across huge numbers of people who are just dumb (Not United matches, but football fans are pretty much the same wherever you go).