That's common sense. If you think he's ready to decide games at the first team level for Manchester United then indeed, I want your drink. However rude it sounds. I like him, make no mistake but don't hype him up too much like we've done before.
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I hate to say this about a youth prospect and hope that he proves me wrong but I have just never really gotten it with Chong. Someone like Angel Gomes or Greenwood I can see instantly what is special about them.
He has more speed than footballing talent. Will not make it at this club.
Apologies, if that was what your statement was referring to then I sincerely apologise. I thought you were implying that he’d never have a chance, which I think he does, just not yet.
I think I worded it poorly now I think about that and you could understand it this way. I think I've become safety first with our upcoming players after so much promise from Januzaj, who even 'made it' in that season under Moyes. I fear putting Chong in a mish-mash of a team and putting so big a burden on him could backlash as the kid looks a youth team gem still not a starter.
In theory yes, going out on loan is a better option than staying and playing very little, but we've seen so many failed loans that I don't want to waste a talent like Chong.
I'm still holding out for Alexis on that RW, but I've done that the past 12 months with very little going my way.
And I'm not getting that part about Chong learning to do what Lingard and Mata do? I'm complaining about them not being good enough. At worst he can come up short and we wish him good luck. Chong is a very different type of player compared to either of them.
30 minutes in a very disjointed team, that surrendered possession to a Championship struggler was enough for some on here to burn the kid.
He's a young player not being picked. Lingard and Mata are being picked. So what he's learning from watching is that if he wants to play he has to do more like them. Mata and Lingard tend to come in and play centrally, either in midfield or just behind the attackers usually. So he's learning that if he wants to play he has to be able to do that.
Not to burn him but to be wary of putting him in for a bigger fire (yet) which could potentially burn him. That's the thing. You either love, rate and want to start all the time or you hate, underrate and want gone asap any given player on here it seems.
Super raw still, but chuffed he got some minutes to please the crowd. Ballsy throwing him in at 2-0 up considering how dire the overall performance was.
That's ridiculous. Chong has to learn to play like them so he can play? If anything we have a glaring hole on that right side and Chong was picked today to evaluate whether we can blood him in for that problematic position. He can look at Mata and Lingard and learn how to be a first team pro, professional and committed, but he will learn to be the player we need him to be, we don't create clones here, never mind average ones.
I think, sink or swim is the best way for demanding roles. I'm not saying he should start or feature regularly, but we can easily give him minutes in games where the result is permitting, instead on wasting minutes on the likes of Mata.
No, thats what he's seeing. I have no idea if Solskjaer thinks that. But they are playing, he isnt. They play differently and do different things and he isnt playing. So obviously hes going to be looking at what the players who are playing are doing, regardless of whether thats his strength. Unless he doesnt want to play.
Cameos here and there, yes. Even Fergie wouldn't have given him full games regularly and not because of his talent but stage he's at. Ronaldo was given cameos and the odd appearances at first and he was way ahead in the development.
I'm sure he will play the way his coach will instruct him, not seeing the guy who he eventually will replace and try to copy him. Players in same positions can play different roles, and than they can also play same role in a different way depending on their ability.
You never really know how far in his development a young player really is, though, until he is given minutes. 30 minutes and some on here made up their mind over Chong, and the reality is, the kid wasn't even half bad. Rashford struggled on the other side in contrast and people are writing Chong off already.
Should stay in the academy for another season or two then think about a loan maybe. He is not even ready to be loaned.
Ronaldo's physicality was on a totally different level. He was beating seasoned, respectable defenders for fun, scoring and providing assists against good teams before he even started a game for us. You can see with Chong that he's simply not there yet. Or maybe I'm seeing things differently. If he's to prove me wrong in the next game I'll be happy as feck, trust me.
Didn’t impress.
I'm happy for him that he got to come in today but honestly to me he looked no different to Bebe. You know some youngsters you can just see they have something special in them but with Chong I saw nothing but pace.
Exactly, he’s there on merit for what he’s done in the academy, you can’t judge a player on a 30 min debut alone. The Caf loves nothing better than to build a player up via hearsay alone. He’s not ready for first team football yet, which is what most of the posters have been saying that actually watch academy games. You have to start somewhere and you can’t expect him to play like a 1st team player from the off. I personally thought he had a very good debut.
Have you seen anything of him at all barring this game? Because that's a nonsense statement.
I actually think he has more chance of making it than Angel.
Don’t think this 30 minute tells us much at all. You can take that same logic and say Rashford is useless based on his cameo against Reading.
We need to see more of Chong in a more cohesive side, preferably a midfield that has someone with the passing range of Pogba for a few games before discarding his ability. Ole is the right manager for him.
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Yes I have but those games mean nothing to me. It's what you do in the first team that matters. I rated Rashford very highly when he was in the youth team and when he got his chance to play for the first team he showed he had what it takes. I rate Greenwood even higher than I rated Rashford but when he gets his chance even he must prove he is good enough. What Tahith showed today gave me zero confidence he will be a future first team player for Man Utd.
Doesn't look anywhere close to being ready to play for the first team, either physically or tactically.
He’s a good lad and obviously talented, he’ll definitely need to improve physically before he’s ready for the pl, naturally enough he was nervous today who wouldn’t be. Hopefully he gets plenty more cameos throughout the rest of the season and gets a loan abroad next year.
Neither did a few players today. Including some who play for the first team.
On that basis maybe we should bin the lot of them. The whole team was shite, based on those performances none of them deserve to play for Manchester United. Different players adapt in different ways, some quicker than others. It's silly and daft for anybody to already write him off saying he's not good enough. Hes a young lad still and needs time to adapt to the pace of first team football and grow into his frame more which will no doubt help with the physicality of the league.
Ronaldo's physicality wasn't on a different level at 18/19 in my opinion, it was his sheer talent that set him apart at that age, yet he was not as good as Rooney for example at that age. Ronaldo developed into a physical monster a couple of year later.
And I'm not saying Chong is as good, just 30 minutes today was not enough for myself to make up my mind that he's not ready. He showed signs of nervousness, but also promise. Physically he looked fine to me, whether he can settle and play naturally is my concern.
He was born in december 4 1999, he just turned 19.
Then I am as thick as a plank. I don't think he'll ever make it here. Would love to be wrong.
I'm with you on this one. I just don't see anything special about Chong, he might become a good player playing in mid table or low table La Liga/EPL/Serie A/Bundes Liga but I can't see him in top level, not until I see a spark from him.
When I see Gomes & Greenwood, I can see something special from them. The way how they play & their technique aren't ordinary, Chong on the other hand is too ordinary.
Looks like just another pace merchant , run around like headless chicken , misplacing pass and weak. Will be bullied every week if he played in EPL.
Not sure any of our first team really impressed today, it was a tough game to come into and he wasn't that bad. Tried a few things that didn't come off and was getting into decent positions off the ball.
If we decided 90% of youth players careers on their debut then they wouldn't have a chance to improve and we probably wouldn't have or had the stars of the games we do today.
Got to let him play with better players/play against better opposition and give him a chance to develop his game.
If we decided 90% of youth players careers on their debut then they wouldn't have a chance to improve and we probably wouldn't have or had the stars of the games we do today.
Got to let him play with better players/play against better opposition and give him a chance to develop his game.
Although cool as hell, I think he needs to do something with his hair, not saying cut it, but something.
It can't be good for his vision surely, it also makes him stand out too much, which is never a good thing with refs etc.
It can't be good for his vision surely, it also makes him stand out too much, which is never a good thing with refs etc.
Ronaldo wasn't even considered the biggest talent at Sporting Lisbon. Ricardo Quaresma was rated higher. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.
There was a time when alot of people on this forum wanted the one trick pony Ronaldo sold and replaced with Aaron Lennon.
We need minutes of him playing to see how far they've come. Coaches dont. They see him in training all days.
He needs to attack them. Having them released like that is stupid, not only in terms of vision but definitely in terms of aerodynamics. It seems crazy to say it but his hair doesn't help him whatsoever
Nonsense.
He didn't know how to play with other players that are equally/more talented than him. He was still in u23 mode.
Some kids adapt to senior football instantly. Some take a bit of time. Chong appears like he could be in the latter category.
I think it could be a season or two before he's instinctively on the same wavelength as everyone else. I can see him becoming a bit of a whipping boy in that time, unfortunately. But we could also be looking at a Nani-like career trajectory. Hopefully he can reach the same heights.
Some kids adapt to senior football instantly. Some take a bit of time. Chong appears like he could be in the latter category.
I think it could be a season or two before he's instinctively on the same wavelength as everyone else. I can see him becoming a bit of a whipping boy in that time, unfortunately. But we could also be looking at a Nani-like career trajectory. Hopefully he can reach the same heights.
I didn't think he even looked that bad. Not easy for a young player to come in and make his debut when almost everyone is playing shit.
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