What is the greatest ever decade for players and teams?

What was the best decade ever?


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So we're pretty much at the end of the 2010's with only next season left to wrap them up. I'm pretty sure pre-war teams and football wouldn't get a look in on here, so let's start with the 1950's. Actually, let me give a breakdown of each decade with a minimum of 5 greats for each area of the pitch. Where there are more than 5, I simply could not separate the cohabitants of said spot. The idea with 5 is to give a solid idea of the quality per position as generally, it's a sliding scale beyond a certain point, plus, I don't think people really care to see 10 per position.


Regarding these 'All-Star' sides, first and foremost, a suspension of disbelief must be applied, as in reality, so many superstars in an attack is more likely to not work and get in each other’s way. Secondly, these are my personal takes on the xi's, pointlessly quibbling over them defeats the purpose of this thread, as, even if you have a different interpretation of the greatest xi for any particular decade, then more power to you in making your decision on whom to vote for. Finally, 'X' represents players whose position on the pitch is not really definable by the common metrics of the rest of the groupings. For these players, you could get ten people stating they played a different position from one another, for example, Messi is a wide-forward for some; a 'false #9' for others; a #10 for others still, and the truth is, he is all of these things and a little more. The same applies for a Cruyff, Beckenbauer or Di Stefano and so forth - to one person they are one position, to another, they play a different one or should be defined as such, to remove the debate, they are simply placed in an indefinable X, or an X that represents they are open to your own personal interpretation.




1950's


All Time Greatest Players:


Centre Forwards: Puskás, Fontaine, Vava, Kocsis, Nordahl, Taylor

X: Di Stefano, Kubala, Finney, Hidegukti, Boniperti, Julinho, Wilkes, Ben Barek,

Support Strikers / Offensive Midfielders: Didi, Schiaffino, Kopa, Walter, Sivori, Gren

Wingers: Garrincha, Matthews, Rahn, Gento, Czibor, Hamrin, Joya

Central Midfielders: Bozsik, Liedholm, Ocwirk, Edwards Varela, Hanappi, Netto, Zito

Full-Backs: Djalma Santos, Nilton Santos, B Stankovic, Bergmark, Byrne

Centre-Backs: Santamaria, Charles, B. Wright, Franklin, Cor Van der Hart

Goalkeepers: Grosics, Beara, Carrizo, Ramallets, Livingstone



Great Teams:


Club:


1. Real Madrid. 1955-1960. Beneficiaries of the European Cup being inaugurated at the opportune time for them. Collected 5 in a row thanks to the all-conquering side they put together with Di Stefano at the helm aided by a who's who of superstars of the era.


2. Budapest Honvéd. 1950-1955. If organised European competition had been ushered in whilst Hungary were at their peak before the revolution, they would have been the team to beat and very likely the first powerhouses of the competition. Puskás instead went on to collect the spoils with the team sitting at #1 above them in this list.


3.Barcelona. 1950-1953. In the tiiiiime beforeee Di Stefano, Barcelona were the kings of La Liga and Europe, of sorts (winning the Latin Cup twice, with one of the first 'Galactico' multi-national elite team seen in Europe, and if the deal for the aforementioned Di Stefano had gone through, their star-studded line up would have had the king of the age. It's arguable whether they would've scooped up all of the European Cups in an alternate timeline as Madrid would then keep Didi and very possibly had he and Puskas form another dynamic duo of sorts. Irrespective, Barcelona were one of the behemoths of the decade, ill-forgotten with the passage of time, and moreso Real Madrid’s overshadowing of them with their dominance of the European Cup.


4. AC Milan. 1950's. Just as the great Dutch triumvirate would do some 30 years later, AC Milan's Swedish contingent of the 50's consisting of Gunnar Gren, Gunnar Nordhal and Niels Liedholm. infamously known as GRE-NO-LI, carried the Milanese to great domestic success and powerful forays in Europe. Milan had a vested interest in international competition well before the European Cup's inception in 1955. They played in the Latin Cup, the forerunner to the European Cup, from its genesis to its end and won it twice. A mention of ‘50’s Milan without connective tissue to Juan Schiaffino, tormentor in chief of so many sides of the era, would be heresy, so he gets a sentence. During the era, they [Milan] were thwarted by Real Madrid in the semi-final of the 1956/'57 season and the final of the 1957/'58 season. It goes without saying they would have at least one European Cup in the 50's if it wasn't for the pesky meddling team of the decade.


5. Wolverhampton Wanderers. 1953-1960. If organised European competition had been ushered in a few years earlier and English sides had been allowed to compete from the get-go, Wolves would have been contesting the trophy with Budapest, Milan, Stade de Reims and Barcelona. Not surefire odds, but to be up there as a name worthy of mention, states their status in the 1950's.




National:


1. Hungary's Magical Magyars aka The Golden Team. 1950-1956. Absolute dominance, sublime, evolutionary football with controversy aplenty surrounding their losses. If they had have won the 1954 World Cup, it's highly probable they would be seen as the best national team of all time to this day.


2. Brazil 1958. The emergence of a 17-year old wunderkind by the name of Pelé into a star-studded line-up where he shone above all others, ushered in Brazil's legend as the greatest of all World Cup winning nations. This team is regarded as one of the best of all-time, even seen as the best World Cup winning team by some. Their asymmetrical 4-2-4 system baffled opponents and is easily identifiable to even the moderately trained eye some 60 years later.


3. West Germany. 1954. The cynical, never say die West German side were a good, solid team with lethal players in Rahn, Walter and Schafer. It's just that, in the presence of a true, all-time force, history does not look upon them kindly and thus, they are somewhat forgotten men of the era and indeed the final outside of the controversies surrounding it.


4. Uruguay. 1950. The obstinate, defiant Uruguayans who shocked the world and caused suicides in Brazil as well as years of World Cup hangover off the back of winning the tournament in Brazil. Their captain, Obdulio Varela's leadership immortalised him for the odds he barraged his team through to claim the trophy.


5. Sweden. 1950's. If not for Pelé, Sweden would have made the 1958 World Cup final a competitive event and the possibility of them winning the trophy and having a World Cup to the nation's name is not implausible. Sweden as a nation had got to grips with exporting talent to richer leagues, namely Serie A, well before others had caught on, their players were stars of the age, and to this day, hold their places in any Swedish all-time xi line-up. Hamrin, Bergmark, Liedholm, Skoglund and Gren: a group of players who would rightly expect to be a match against any nation they came up against sans Hungary and a Pelé inspired Brazil.



Greatest 3 players: Di Stefano. Puskas, Garrincha


Feats and changes in decade:


  • Hungary and Brazil pioneer and popularize the back four to irreversibly change the shape of the game. ‘The encyclopaedia of football,’ Nilton Santos, becomes one of the first attacking full-backs.
  • Hungary's 'false 9' Nandor Hidegkuti and the fluid attack which swirled around him and Ferenc Puskás confuse the hell out of England and signal the end of the rigid man-marking systems of the first half of the 20th century.
  • Organised European competition is established in 1955 and is dominated by Real Madrid led by one of the first all-round generals Alfredo di Stefano:
    BOBBY CHARLTON said:
    Who is this man? He takes the ball from the goalkeeper, he tells the full-backs what to do; wherever he is on the field he is in position to take the ball, you can see his influence on everything that is happening … I had never seen such a complete footballer … It was as though he had set up his own command centre at the heart of the game.

1950's All-Star XI



--------------------------------------------------------Puskás

-----------------------------------------------------Di Stefano

Gento-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Garrincha

----------------------------------------------------------Didi

--------------------------------------------------------Boszik

Nilton Santos-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Djalma Santos

----------------------------------------------Charles----------Santamaria

-------------------------------------------------------Grosics





1960's


All Time Greatest Players:


Centre Forwards: Eusébio, Spencer, Greaves, Law, Seeler, Altafini, Coutinho, Aguas

X: Albert, S. Mazzola, Van Himst, Amancio, Jair, Simoes

Support Strikers / Offensive Midfielders: Pelé, Charlton, Rivera, Luis Suarez, Haynes

Wingers: Best, Džajić, Johnstone, Bene, Schafer, Coen Moulijn, Swart

Central Midfielders: Masopust, Voronin, Szymaniak, Blanchflower, Coluna, Gérson, Pirri

Full-Backs: Carlos Alberto, Facchetti, Armfield, Marzolini, Schnellinger

Centre-Backs: Moore, Shesternyov, Popluhar, C.Maldini, Germano,

Goalkeepers: Yashin, Banks, Gilmar, Alberto Pereira, Iribar



Great Teams:


Club:


1. Santos. 1960-1966. Because of Pelé, Santos became the most coveted scalp in football. Outside of the Intercontinental Cup, they played numerous 'friendlies' that were deadly serious competitions to see who was the best between them and European opposition. Pelé was made a literal National Treasure by the Brazilian government in 1961, which meant he was forbidden from playing for a club in any other country. At the peak of his powers, with the brilliant Coutinho as his #9 partnering forward, Pelé and Santos were the ultimate feather in the cap.


2. Inter Milan. 1962-1967. 3 Serie A titles, back-to-back European Cups and a runners-up position; the embodiment of a league to this day. Their miserly defence-first approach became the cornerstone for the Italian national team and the art of defending a lead with control, skill and counter-attacking threat became a concept in itself. Whatever defensive intent there was prior to Inter and their catenaccio became a refined school of thought afterward.


3. Benfica. 1960-1968. 5 European Cup finals whilst winning 2 of those back-to-back. Monstrous side with the equally monstrous Eusebio putting away chances other strikers could only dream of. This Benfica side was star-studded with the legendary Mario Coluna marshalling them from the centre of midfield.


3. Peñarol. 1960-1966. Peñarol and Benfica of this era were almost mirror images in terms of success and performance level. Where Benfica had Eusebio, Peñarol had Alberto Spencer, who was terrorising the Copa Libertadores' opposition to become a legend. The team went to 5 finals in 6 seasons, winning 3 of them. They also won the Intercontinental Cup twice during this period, beating the legendary Real Madrid and Benfica sides to do so.


4. Celtic. 1967-1976. All players born within 20 miles of the ground 1 European Cup; 9 league titles; turned Celtic into a dominant force in their nation at a time when Scottish football was strong.


5. Manchester United. 1967-1968. It is [a lack of] longevity, not quality that places this side where they are. Charlton and Best at their best with Law not far off. A side that should have done more.



National:


1. Brazil 1962. With Pelé injured, Brazil's other attacking craque, Garrincha, took the helm and stirred the good ship Seleção to World Cup glory in spectacular fashion. Garrincha had a tournament for the ages, which is strangely not really talked about in the manner it warrants. The deceptive quality of this team was that they were just as organised as they were individually talented. Much like Brazilian sides that have followed them, this side were adept at working the opposition into positions that favoured them whilst slowly and surely draining them of stamina and concentration during enumerable chase-the-ball sessions. When a team has individuals who can dribble, run, pass and shoot with such ease the mental and physical energy needed to stop them is considerable. Brazil ’62 were an exasperating team to play against, with or without Pelé.


2. England 1966. England's dogged, determined style wasn't beautiful to watch, neither was this side the pinnacle of English footballing prowess despite being World Cup winners - the 1970 side was better, but unfortunate to encounter the great Brazil and a more honed West Germany – but they were industrious, determined and forerunners of true graft mixed in with some talented players who were the able match of any opponent. Ramsey’s ‘Wingless Wonders’ were a nightmarishly difficult side to play against due to their tireless work ethic and the stamina to simply outwork and then overrun teams. The pressure their opponents were under to maintain composure, work-rate and focus under the waves of concerted attack was enough to see most crumble.


3. West Germany 1966. West Germany were just as dogged as England, whilst being technically superior and more tactically refined. A young man by the name of Franz Beckenbauer glided through central midfield all tournament long looking like some kind of computer simulation of how the role should be played scoring 4 goals and announcing himself on the world stage – he didn’t even like central midfield; too busy, crowded and aggressive for his liking - yet made it look easy with some of the best displays of midfield play the World Cup has ever seen. Many swore West Germany were robbed in the final, and it’s a debate that runs to this day. It’s a testament to England, and shows their resolve that they could go head-to-head with what would have been a truly worthy and renowned winner of the 1966 World Cup, which is why I believe they should be ranked above them despite being a less refined side.


4. Italy 1968-1970. Italian football forged a great reputation for itself throughout the 60’s with the famed AC Milan and then Internazionale sides lifting three European Cups in a row from 1962 to 1965 with Inter announcing an awesome, if frustrating, brand of football to the world and transferring it to the national team, adding the ultimate cream to the brew with one of the superstars of the age in Gianni Rivera of AC Milan. The two Milanese clubs provided the core of an Azzurri side primed for success. Of the age, it was a who’s who of European football’s top talent with elite players such as: Giancinto Facchetti, Sandro Mazzola, Tarcisio Burgnich, Dino Zoff, Roberto Rosato, Luigi Riva all joining the aforementioned Rivera, Lest we forget, this is a side who went on to an epic, for the ages battle with West Germany in the 1970 World Cup – it is only the accursed Brazilians and the humiliation they dished out that prevented Italy from being the very first double-major holders with the Euro Cup already in hand and the World Cup final gotten to on merit. They played in solid, controlled blocks in a style familiar to successful Italian national teams ever since with the same principles of a classic #10 being the provider and controller in-chief behind a prolific striker. It’s unfortunate for them that their era had so many extremely talented sides – their legacy has been pushed to the wayside with the passage of time and more pointedly, their crushing defeat at the hands of Brazil, but the Italians are more than worthy of their place in this list.


5. Portugal 1966. Portugal 1966 are one of few non-cup-winning national teams in this entire thread. The reason they are placed here is because of both the football they played and the adversity they overcame in the process of doing so. North Korea isn’t an opponent put forward with any kind of legion attached to them in the annuls of time, but somehow, Portugal took it upon themselves to go 3 goals down to them before a Eusebio-inspired comeback saw them score 5 in a row with the aforementioned claiming 4 for himself. It’s not this feat alone that has them ranked, but their swashbuckling, daring manner that enabled Eusebio to claim 9 goals and become the tournament top-scorer whilst displaying his legendary prowess on the grandest stage of all.



Greatest 3 players: Pelé, Eusébio, Charlton/Best


Feats and changes in decade:


  • Helenio Herrera's catenaccio signals the beginning of a half century of Italian attention to defensive tactical detail. Giacinto Facchetti arguably becomes the first full-back to be single-handedly responsible for a full flank. Meanwhile, Ramsey's wingless wonders win the 1966 World Cup and the old-fashioned winger becomes an endangered species.
  • Helenio Herrera also brings forth the tactic of man-marking as an organised, strategical concept, preparing both for the opposition's most threatening man whilst also maintaining a dynamic shape with the remainder of the team.
  • Man-marking becomes prevalent for the next three decades.
  • Helenio Herrera also brings forth and popularises the sweeping role (libero), which then takes root and becomes widespread throughout certain leagues and national teams. The sweeper had been around, in one form or another, for at least two decades prior without real terminology or concrete outlines for the position, but Herrera made the role an intrinsic component of how his team played, and with the success he had, the concept of the sweeper becomes iron clad and indelible. The sweeper of the 60's was a defense after the defense, a one-man last line, if you will. His job was to clean up any loose balls, read play (and often pre-empt the opposing play-makers actions) to be in the optimum position at all times to foil attempts to breach the backline completely. A great sweeper of the age would prove infuriating for strikers and play-makers alike and his understanding of defensive phases of play was said to be above that of generic central defenders.
  • Pelé is brutally fouled and harangued out of World Cup '66. The disgusting treatment the world's star player was singled out for in this tournament prompts a change in refereeing policy the world over - off the back of his treatment from Bulgaria and then Portugal, where he was forced to play through the latter game in no condition to do anything but hobble with the world’s cameras and media pack in attendance, FIFA are forced to review the manner in which substitutions are permitted to be used – Pelé was not allowed to be substituted in 1966 because the rule had not yet been made where subs were allowed in the finals of the tournament (even though they were permitted in the qualifiers to play in the finals!) this was seen as an embarrassing shambles.
  • Although substitutions had been used prior to the Pelé incidents of 1966, post-event, it became widespread across the world for a ‘free’ substitution to be made whether for tactical or injury reasons. For the first time, managers had freedom of choice to implement the substitution for a reason of their choosing, whereas prior to 1966, only an injured player could be substituted out.
  • Leagues, nations and individual teams start to greatly diversify in terms of formations, tactics and the types of player they become honed in developing, or seeking to bring in, as the game of football begins a massive diversification that we are at the behest of to this day.
  • Further to the above, the abundance of new formations — 4-3-3, 4-1-3-2 and even the 4-4-2 that was invented by Viktor Maslov in the late 60's, all sprout wings and take off as systems clubs set their entire ethos around - producing talent from their academies adept and nuanced in their particular schools of thought and conceptualization of how the game 'should' be played.
  • Feyenoord's 4-3-3 of Ernst Happel is adopted by clubs across the Erevdivisie, Bundesliga and the Belgian First Division A as well as the national teams of each respective nation. The dividends absolutely dominating the following decade at club and national level. This 4-3-3 is popular to this day and used by some of the greatest clubs in the world.
  • Brazil continue to dominate the world game and are brought to life in full technicolour glory at Mexico 1970. Their successful collaboration of a collection of no 10s provides an early forerunner of the 4-2-3-1 that would dominate the early years of the 21st century.


1960's All-Star XI



------------------------------------------------------Eusébio

---------------------------------------------------------Pelé

Džajić-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Best

----------------------------------------------------B.Charlton

-----------------------------------------------------Masopust

Facchetti----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Carlos Alberto

-----------------------------------------------Moore----------Shesternyov

-------------------------------------------------------Yashin





1970's


All Time Greatest Players:


Centre Forwards: G.Müller, Kempes, Riva, Krankl, Lubański, Heynckes

X: Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Blokhin Overath, Boniek, Keegan, Simonsen, Bettega

Support Strikers / Offensive Midfielders: Netzer, Cubillas, Bochini, Rivelino, Deyna, Antognini, Tostao,

Wingers: Rensenbrink, Keizer, Lato, Rep, Jairzinho, Bertoni

Central Midfielders: Neeskens, Van Hanegem, Breitner*, Bonhof, Bremner, Ardiles

Full-Backs: Vogts, Breitner, Krol, Suurbier, Kalz, McGrain

Centre-Backs: Figueroa, Passarella, Luis Pereira, Chumpitaz, Schwarzenbeck,

Goalkeepers: Zoff, Maier, Mazurkiewicz, Jennings, Fillol


*Breitner was both one of the greatest full-backs to play the game as well as central midfielder, when moving into the position full time later in his career.



Great Teams:


Club:


1. Ajax 1970 - 1973. 3 European Cups in a row - in running for greatest club side of all-time. One of the most famed club sides of all-time for the Rinus Michels-created Total Voetbal that is arguably the most revered single system ever developed. Ajax’s revolution actually started in 1968 off the back of a defeat to Ernst Happel’s Feyenoord (they were already league champions since 1965, though). Their 4-2-4 was schooled by the extra man advantage of the more balanced 4-3-3 of Feyenoord. Michels adopted that system, but then built on its philosophy to a point where it was undoubtedly its own entity. Johan Cruyff enabled the system to become what it was as he was adept all over the pitch and his fast ball-carrying and sharp reading of open space and windows of opportunity, left holes for team-mates to exploit wherever he went or vacated on the pitch. Ajax’s football wowed crowds across Europe and essentially became a Harlem Globetrotter–esque spectacle. Ajax were defeated by themselves – disbanding, to be precise. The maverick that was Cruyff sought pastures new and went off to Barcelona with the brilliant Johan Neeskens departing Ajax to join him just a season later. These two are literally contenders for an all-time xi throughout the history of football, so any team is going to feel the loss as they are not replaceable and so too was the case for Ajax.


2. Bayern Munich 1974-1977. 3 European Cups in a row. Ajax weren’t the only monstrous side of the decade and it’s by no means a given that even if Cruyff and Neeskens had stayed, they would have continued their dominance – Bayern Munich were the representation of West German football that was to go on to dominate the national game with the equally luminescent Franz Beckenbauer being neck-and-neck in quality with the much revered Cruyff. The lethal Gerd Müller, who is classed as one of, if not the very best, striker of all-time was as equally prolific for club as he was for country. Paul Breitner was absolute class at left-back, and in the flexi-system of Bayern’s he often found himself in central midfield, where he was comfortably of all-time standard. Bayern’s greatest strength was their ability to switch styles as a situation required. Their flexibility and nonchalant ease led to questions of whether they were giving their absolute all or just going through the gears as and when it was needed – an accusation often thrown at Beckenbauer himself, especially so over the period of a domestic campaign. Bayern’s class was undeniable and as stated, transferable as the world was reminded of their brilliance on all available stages.


3. Liverpool 1970’s. Liverpool’s period of dominance began in the 70’s and carried over into the 80’s. They won the Uefa Cup (it was a very prestigious trophy until the late 90’s) twice before going on to collect back-to-back European Cups in 1977 and 1978. This was interlaced with league titles, too. The seamless transition from dominance with Kevin Keegan, a true star of the late 70’s, to Kenny Dalglish, arguably Liverpool’s greatest ever player, was the pivotal moment throughout all of the success as it enabled it to continue in one, effortless transition from one decade straight through into another, which is a feat very few clubs have ever managed.


4. Borussia Munchengladbach. 1970-1979. The dominant Bundesliga force of the decade. Brilliant side and huge contributors to the West German national team. Without their supplementation of players, West Germany win nothing. Through modern eyes, people see this side mentioned and laugh dismissively thinking of them as a ‘nothing’ side, which couldn’t be further from the truth. Gunter Netzer, rated as one of the greatest passers and playmakers of, well, ever; Berti Vogts (the premier full-back of the '70's); Rainer Bonhor, he of, what I would rank as the most powerful shot football has seen and the clever Jupp Heynckes up front, not forgetting the mercurial 1977 Ballon d'or winning, European Cup top-scoring Allan Simonsen. Munchengladbach of the ‘70’s were a serious footballing power who won two Uefa Cups, but fell short at the final hurdle of the big one, a hurdle that would see history look upon them with fonder eyes.


5. Independiente. 1970-1975. The greatest Copa Libertadores team of all time with 4 in a row, easily a match of Europe's finest of the era. Their methods and cynicism were highly frowned upon by the European sides who played them with Cruyff famously refusing to ever contest a game in Argentina again after the rough-housing and death threats he received in Buenos Aires during the 1972 Intercontinental Cup. Still, Bochini was a genius and Independiente, perhaps the most villainous side in the thread (beings as Leeds of the 70’s didn’t make the cut), were a very good side… perhaps misunderstood or in need of a hug.


5. Nottingham Forest. 1977-1980. The improbable team who went on to win back-to-back European Cups, on merit. Brian Clough’s greatest triumph was taking Nottingham Forest from the old English 2nd Division (now known as the Championship) to the heights of the 1st Division and then on to winning the European Cup not once, but twice, in a row – yes, for two years running, Nottingham Forest were the kings of Europe, proving the first trophy was no fluke. Forest played a hard-working 4-4-2 that relied upon tireless graft, nuanced movement and overwhelming wing-play. Their football was clean, tidy and effective, and it wasn’t mindless running as everything they did had a purpose. Forest were such a dominant side that they went on a 42-game unbeaten run, which is not talked about today. The sharp striker, Trevor Francis, a record-breaking £1m signing, was a clever reader of the game and opportunities and would observe the movement of his team-mates studiously, aiming to profit off openings and chances before opposing defenders even realised they were there. A slick side who are not out of place in a greatest clubs of the decade list for the 1970’s.



National:


1. Brazil 1970. Often stated as the best national team of all time. With their unprecedented ‘five 10’s’ Brazil produce a level of football that has come to define them as a nation. They were laughed at for thinking they could enter and compete in a tournament with no regard for tactical, positional and personnel discipline – fielding not one, not two, not three, not even four, but five traditional #10’s in one side would be seen as risible in any era at any club at any level of competition. To do so, on the greatest stage of all is downright insulting, right? Try and conceptualise five #10’s at your club being fielded all across the attacking positions in the face of all your strongest rivals. Then imagine it being done at the business end of the season or competition. Farcical, no? Brazil bucked every notion and found a way to get every ounce of creative talent out of five players who had no right to be fielded simultaneously. In logical parlance, two #10’s really is pushing it, five? That doesn’t even look realistic in a fantasy all-time line-up and is generally dismissed out of the gate. It’s not just the football this team played that automatically makes them one of, if not the best, ever; it’s the sheer confidence and daring to try and make it work; the humiliating way they defeated opponents far and wide; and the certainty of purpose the entire team had in what they were doing. A lot of teams who were truly great iterations for their nation (Peru, Uruguay, England and Italy) were put to the sword and are now forgotten men by this side. They capped it all with their final goal of the tournament – one that is considered the best team goal ever scored on the greatest stage there is.


2. West Germany 1972. Often stated as the most aesthetically impressive West German side ever. A sublime side with Netzer at his peak. As a unit, their play was both sumptuous and seamless, and on an individual level, it was extremely difficult to best the opposing man one-on-one. They worked hard for each other in both attack and defense and could control the pace and stylings of a game at will.


3. West Germany 1974. Often stated as the best German side ever. A harder working team than the ’72 side, but not as aesthetically pleasing due to the removal of Netzer first and foremost. The principles of Total Voetbal had not escaped the Germans, and although theirs was not as seamless as that of the Netherlands, it was equally - no, more, given they were the winners - as effective, and, arguably more defensively flexible given the incredible man-marking and game reading qualities of Bertie Vogts who could change the system to a 3-man, 4-man or free-marker system on command. Der Bomber, Gerd Müller was at his peak during World Cup ’74, which made this team absolutely lethal in front of goal. If you are compelled to watch any footage of them, you will note the sheer class and air of foreboding confidence that oozes out of this side. There’s no question they should be in the hat and considered a match for any other side listed in this thread.


4. Holland 1974-1978. The best Dutch sides of all-time. You can ask ten different people who was better between the ’74 side and the West German side that bested them and come back with more favouring Holland – there’s no doubt at all that Holland 1974 would be heralded as the greater of the two if they won the World Cup because their Total Voetbal was the more fluid; more fun and fantastical; the more conceptually accurate and a very clear showing that theirs was the nation of that style’s genesis. Johan Cruyff and co. were sublime throughout the ’74 World Cup, and in any other decade, a side of such quality would not sit in fourth position. Unfortunately, this is the era of aesthetic wonder with four sides in a row who have been deemed the best national teams of all-time at one time or another contesting slots. In 1978, Holland had to contest the World Cup in Argentina – a nation Cruyff and Ajax had already had major problems with – on and off the pitch. The tournament hosts were marred with talk of corruption and match-fixing as well as favourable refereeing decisions going their way. The Dutch felt they were on a hiding to nothing and were literally robbed of the trophy, as in, there was no way they were going to be allowed to win it. This is all officially unproven and never will be, I would wager. People watch the tournament and educate themselves before drawing their conclusions. Regardless, Holland’s football in ’78, even without Cruyff, was exceptional.


5. Czechoslovakia 1976. Slick, understated side, forgotten in the passage of time. The last slot here could easily go to Italy ’70, West Germany ’70 or even Argentina ’78. The 70’s produced a lot of incredible footballing sides, but this Czechoslovakian side was no different, and they won their Euro trophy in a manner befitting the decade. West Germany were on to be a 3-time major winner; Holland, as stated previously, were a legendary team who got to two World Cup finals in a row (the ’76 iteration still had Cruyff leading them, too!) – not-so-plucky Czechoslovakia beat them both, in succession, playing beautiful football and even scoring beautiful penalties.



Greatest 3 players: Cruyff, Beckenbauer, G.Muller


Feats and changes in decade:


  • Both West Germany and Holland reap the benefit of professionalization in the 1950s and 1960s to dominate the European and world game for much of the decade.
  • This is the decade of thought, creativity and rebellion. Players question managers and have their say in how football should be played. In order to set a system up, rules and a solid construct must be adhered to, in order to deconstruct a system, you must understand how and why it works - as the 60's produced countless systems that haven't changed in 50 years, the 70"s brought along the tactical and formation counter-measures to stop and/or exploit them.
  • Individualism within a team construct is married together in a way that has not been seen before the ‘70’s.
  • Rinus Michels builds on Ernst Happels 4-3-3 system and creates Total Voetbal. A system held in the highest regard to this day.
  • Ajax and Holland's Total Voetbal introduced many of the concepts - flexibility, fluidity, universalism and pressing - that would become central principles of the modern game. The 4-3-3 and the false 9 become well established. Johan Cruyff and Franz Beckenbauer are recognised as the greatest players of the decade and perhaps the first whose most compelling strength was their intelligence and tactical understanding of the game.
  • Valeriy Lobanovskiy's Dynamo Kiev and latterly USSR sides embrace the high intensity, manipulation of space and attention to detail principles that are features of the current game.
  • Sweepers permeate the club and national game. Unlike the generic sweeper of the '60's, the sweeper, in this stage of role maturation is now a specialised position reserved for a unique type of player; generally neither a centre-back nor midfielder, but something in-between. In the '70's, the role diversified as it was used by numerous teams as both a defensive and offensive utility, dependent on managerial ethos. The sweeper was generally 'the thinking man' of the team with greater vision, distribution ability and composure than seen in such a deep position in teams before the role emerged. Much like quarter-backs in American football, the sweeper was often protected by a defender or defenders commonly referred to as 'stoppers' (dependent on whether it was a 3-man - 2 stoppers either side of the sweeper, or 4-man backline - sweeper playing behind the stopper) and sometimes even midfielders. Either way, the sweeper played dead centre of a host of defenders, midfielders or both and. as the name suggests 'swept' up or read the game and acted accordingly often having great influence on both the flow and direction a game went in. On rare occasions, a truly masterful player would be play the role, one whom would not look out of place in central or even attacking midfield. This type of sweeper not only had the qualities of the aforementioned sweepers, but could also dribble, shoot, combination pass and join attacks from deep as and when they opted to. These kind of sweepers were a problem tactically for the opposition, as their initial deep position and late runs often meant they were 'unseen' until it was too late in a concept commonly referred to as 'ghosting'. The greatest sweepers of the age were prolific scorers, play-makers, assisters or second assisters and wreaked havoc due to their illusive traits and intelligence.
  • For the first time ever, tactical substitutions are permitted at the World Cup. In 1970, nations were free to take off a non-injured player of their choosing.
  • Ken Aston’s inventions: the yellow and red card, are implemented for the first time at the World Cup of 1970. Prior to this, players were verbally or manually shown reprimand. The use of cards transcended language and its barriers and gave all players, staff and viewing audiences clear and concise detailing of the reprimand issued. From stern tellings off and negatively wagged fingers to the production of yellow and red cards, this was a pivotal point for attackers and defenders alike. A lot of gamesmanship and ‘misunderstanding’ is removed from the game with the event of the yellow and red card.
  • Brand advertising is introduced. The famed 3-stripes adorn West Germany and Holland’s kits. Johan Cruyff famously refuses to wear the 3 stripes (because he is sponsored by Puma) and instead runs out in a bespoke two striped kit for his national team. Commercially sponsored kits are in their fledgling stage of development.
  • The ‘Cruyff turn’ becomes an institution in the sport, taught to children in academies as part of their curriculum. A move so regaled, it becomes an intrinsic tool for anyone skilled enough to use and incorporate it in their game.
  • Rivelino’s ‘flick-flack’ also takes the same path, albeit to a lesser extent.


1970's All-Star XI



-------------------------------------------------------G.Müller

---------------Cruijff----------------------------------------------------------------------Rensenbrink

--------------------------------------------------------Netzer

--------------------------------Van Hanegem----------------------Neeskens

Breitner--------------------------------------------Figueroa------------------------------------------Vogts

----------------------------------------------------Beckenbauer

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All Time Greatest Players:


Centre Forwards: Van Basten, Sanchez, Careca, Rossi, Lineker, Rush, Elkjaer

X: Rumenigge, Socrates, Brady, Schuster, Magico

Support Strikers / Offensive Midfielders: Maradona, Platini, Zico, Gullit, M. Laudrup, Dalglish

Wingers: Barnes, Conti, Littbarski, Hassler, Futre

Central Midfielders: Falcao, Matthaus, Toninho Cerezo, Robson, Souness, Tigana, Ceulemans

Full-Backs: Junior, Gerets, Battiston, Amoros, Cabrini, Neal

Centre-Backs: Scirea, Forster, McGrath, Bergomi, Ruggeri, Gentile, Hansen

Goalkeepers: Shilton, Southall, Dasayev, Pfaff, Preud'homme



Great Teams:


Club:


1. AC Milan 1987-1991. In running for best club side of all-time. Seen by many as a team without fault. Arrigo Sacchi’s AC Milan were masters of numerous facets and jacks of none. The best offside control ever seen in the game; the ability to completely suffocate an opposing midfield; a complete defensive shutdown whilst also carrying lethal attacking and counter-attacking threat; spectacular individualism in both attack and defense; sublime passing from deep as well as short, sharp passing and befuddling interplay in attack; the ability to dribble and carry the ball large distances; lethal in the air; a striker who had no discernible weakness (ergo, a threat from any situation or angle); Maldini, Baresi, Rijakaard, Gullit and Van Basten all in the same xi – three, arguably four seen as the pinnacle of their respective positions on the pitch. From every conceivable scrutiny, this side stands up.


2. Liverpool 1980-1988. Liverpool's domination spanned two decades, but to many 1980's > 1970's. 1988 is seen as the absolute apex of Liverpool’s two-decade dominance – this is a time when they aren’t allowed to compete in Europe but play the best football they ever have on a domestic level. The ‘dream matchup’ between them and AC Milan never materialises. Earlier in the decade, Liverpool were busy claiming more European Cups with two more added to the 1970’s haul. Their system of play was possession-based, slow and methodical with sudden bursts of pace and aggression. As with many sides acclimated with winning, their pacing and composure was what separated them from the pack. A criticism of them was their abuse of the pass-back to the goalkeeper, as once they went ahead in a match, they had a methodical manner of recycling the ball back to the keeper for repeated pick-ups and roll outs. Still, behind AC Milan, they are the undisputed best team of the 80’s being the only other side to win more than one European Cup that decade.


3. Juventus 1980-1986. A side who grew from an acorn into a giant tree with Michel Platini entering the fray. Their European Cup win is seen as controversial, but their quality, with the best player on the planet, up until this point in the decade, was indisputable. Platini joined them after Liam Brady’s departure in 1983. The Italian giants went from a top, three-time Scudetto winning side to a European Cup winning one. Platini’s three seasons of imperious form are heralded as that of a genuine all-time great as he scooped three Ballon d’Or awards in a row, comfortably parring him with the likes of Cruyff, Di Stefano and Beckenbauer and surpassing them, even, for being three in successive seasons.


4. Flamengo 1980-1983. Another superb South American side who proved their worth against Europe's best after winning the Copa Libertadores in 1981. From the European angle, Intercontinental Cups aren’t taken particularly seriously, supposedly. From the South American angle, this competition is their chance to stick it to their moneyed and lionised European opponents, and that’s just what Zico’s Flamengo did to Liverpool in their 1981 encounter, humiliating them with a 3-0 carnival of football that is held up as the club’s apex to this day. Zico is probably the forgotten man of the Maradona-Platini-Zico triumvirate; anyone who saw him in action for Flamengo prior to the ’82 World Cup would have known what they were in store for. Flamengo are yet another case of under-appreciation very probably from a lack of exposure to European eyes. This side would have gone into any game against any side of the 80’s expecting to win. The reality of Zico’s leaving is that they were cut short in their prime.


5. PSV Eindhoven 1985-1989. A team that often goes under the radar in discussions about club football's best sides. In hindsight, however, the team they had and the players they put out tells its own story. Prior to 1987, PSV had acquired Ruud Gullit, Soren Lerby, Eric Gerets and Gerald Vanenburg and performed admirably in the Erevidisie before Gulllit fell out with the higher ups and left for Milan. PSV of 1987/’88 were a treble-winning side at a time when Dutch football was the yardstick for everyone given Dutch products were dominant throughout Europe and had the carried status of their ‘70’s class. Guus Hiddink’s side were sharp and incisive with one of the best deep-passing CB’s in history in Ronald Koeman, who forced opposing teams into errors as they closed down players in anticipation of one action only to open up other spaces to exploit. Still, without the pre-emptive press, Koeman would hit the longer passes anyway, so it was a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario which PSV thoroughly exploited. It’s not a coincidence that PSV supplied four players for the Dutch national team that went on to win the Euro’s. Gullit, Van Basten, and by the end of the tournament, Rijkaard, may have been superstars, but the able foundations from which they could play came from the PSV contingent with Koeman the passer-in-chief from the centre-back position (although he constantly went forward into midfield) and Van Aerle and Vanenburg running the right flank.



National:


1. France 1984. If you don't know about this side, you need to go and Youtube them. Platini at his absolute peak, and one of the greatest individual performances over a tournament there has ever been. When old-timers talk about what these current generational stars don't do to be universally great, the likes of Platini's performance throughout this tournament is the yardstick they are being measured by.


2. Brazil 1982. If you don't know about this side, you better go and Youtube them.


3. Holland 1988. Unfortunately the only tournament where Van Basten, Gullit and Rijkaard were healthy and playing at their best during their international careers. Van Basten scored one of the greatest goals in all of football's video'd history during it, which was the icing on the cake to a brilliant tournament for the Oranje.


4. Italy 1982. Because Brazil '82 were so amazing, it is often forgotten that Italy '82 were a quality side who actually won the World Cup! They played good football, but are given no benefit of the doubt, as it's put down solely to Brazil's arrogance that they could even win that one, legendary game against them.


5. Argentina 1986. A fairly good side, (contrary to the misconception it was a bunch of bin-men and Maradona) elevated into another stratosphere by their talisman with arguably the best World Cup tournament the competition has ever seen.



Greatest 3 players: Maradona, Platini, Zico/Matthäus/Van Basten/Rijkaard/Gullit (-_-)


Feats and changes in decade:

  • The game becomes increasingly defensive as goals-per-game ratios fall below two goals in some seasons in the more competitive leagues.
  • The zona mista of Juventus (and Italy) takes catenaccio forward by maximising the talents of the great libero Gaetano Scirea and goal-scoring playmaker Michel Platini.
  • 4-4-2 dominates the top end of the European club game as Liverpool secure multiple European cups before Ariggo Sacchi's Milan become the gold standard with their aggressive Baresi-led offside trap and intense midfield pressing.
  • In contrast, all six of the World Cup finalists in 1982, 1986 and 1990 play 3-5-2. Meanwhile, the 4-2-2-2s of Brazil and France are illuminated by all-time great midfields, but Brazil are unable to secure the title their talent deserves. Their defeat to Italy in 1982 marks the end of the Joga Bonito era and a shift to more pragmatic football.
  • 3pts for a win is introduced to English football in 1981. The change forces teams to go for the win instead of draws.
  • Following Heysel, English clubs are banned from European competition in 1985, thus ending their period of dominance and causing the domestic league to become isolated and out of touch with all on-going developments in European club football.
  • Two substitutions from a choice of five substitutes is introduced in 1988 further expanding tactical horizons, but also forcing teams to improve the quality of their benches.
  • The golden era of the number #10 (fantasista's) — it may seem a broad generalisation, but at the club level, pretty much everything creatively goes through a top #10 that has 10 men as their supportive cast. The likes of Milani and post-Dalglish( playing) Liverpool present a different, modern view of how the game should be played, which will define how it will look in the early 90's.

1980's All-Star XI



----------------------------------------------------Van Basten

------------------Maradona-----------------------------------------------------------Gullit

-------------------------------------------------------Platini

-------------------------------------Falcao----------------------------------Matthäus

Junior----------------------------------------------Rijkaard---------------------------Gerets

-------------------------------------------------------Scirea

-------------------------------------------------------Shilton







1990's


All Time Greatest Players:


Centre Forwards: Ronaldo, Romario, Batistuta, Shearer, Vieri, Weah, Suker

X: Sammer, Stoichkov, Pancev, Hagi, Litmanen

Support Strikers / Offensive Midfielders: Baggio, Del Piero, Bergkamp, Moller, Bebeto, Savicevic

Wingers: Figo, Giggs, Donadoni, Beckham, Overmars

Central Midfielders: Keane, Davids, Effenberg, Veron, Vieira, Redondo

Full-Backs: Maldini, Cafu, Brehme, Thuram, Tassotti

Centre-Backs: Baresi, Kohler, Desailly, Blanc, Aldair, Stam, Gamarra

Goalkeepers: Schmeichel, Zenga, Kopke, Seaman, Chilavert




Great Teams:


Club:


1. AC Milan 1991-1994. With the Dutch trio departing during this time (1993); retiring, leaving for a new challenge or becoming perpetually injured, AC Milan had to move on to pastures new, and in this post-dominant Dutch era came Fabio Capello’s AC Milan. This team was not as resplendent or revered as Sacchi’s, but they were respected and carried Milan’s legacy on dominating Serie A whilst going on a 58-game unbeaten league run. They got to three European Cup finals in a row losing the ’93 and ’95 ones, but they delivered a brutal, celebrated destruction of the highest regarded team of the age in Barcelona with their 4-0 hammering in the 1994 final. With this victory, AC Milan of the Capello era had arrived. Perhaps there is mild irony in Rijkaard’s Ajax preventing Milan from winning back-to-back European Cups in 1995.



2. Juventus 1996-1998. Do not be fooled by their lack of European Cups during this period; Juventus of this time were the team to beat in Europe. Also the team who forced Manchester United to come of age. They reached 3 Champions League finals in a row, and were expected to do so, and win it. Alas, only 1 from 3 has many forgetting what they were and represented for this time in the 90's - you had to beat them to win the Champions League.



3. Barcelona ‘Dream Team’. 1990-1994. Johan Cruyff essentially turned Barcelona into a club in his own image from the moment he managed them – what he did there is now an institution that filters through to every level of player from child to man. With football so clean and crisp it befuddled sides of the era, The Laudrup, Stoichkov and latterly Romario machine was in full swing – this was football so aesthetically pleasing that the moniker ‘Dream Team’ was attached. Domestic dominance and a European Cup, the cornerstones, but an embarrassing defeat to AC Milan bringing the curtain down on what was a spectacular period.


4. Ajax. 1995. One of the most stylish sides in all of this thread. Sublime, mesmerising football played by a bunch of kids and the old legend, Rijkaard. If the team was not plundered for talent, they could have had an era of dominance to rival any that had gone before it. They went to two European Cup finals in a row, winning one and losing the other to Juventus in what would be a changing of the guard


5. Manchester United treble winners. 1998-1999. In an era where a clean sweep of the elite trophies was an absurd notion, Manchester United bucked the trend with a brand of swashbuckling football that has immortalised the team and manager. The hallmarks of the side were: their inability to accept defeat, often turning games around in the dying minutes, or seconds; their propensity to over-commit in attack; a midfield comprised of each derivative taken to an extreme end (supreme dribbler; supreme crosser and passer; supreme midfield dynamo and a cunning, exploitative, goal-scoring reader of the game) some deem the midfield quartet perfect due to the components it possessed as a whole; a strike-pairing so intuitive they looked like a symbiont. This all backed by one of the greatest keepers of all-time and an impressive enough defense. Amongst all these cultured, controlled and consistent sides listed, Manchester United’s brand of football was chaos personified and the very reason why they paired off to have such epic battles with 4 of the 5 listed clubs for the decade


5. Borussia Dortmund 1997. Once again, just as he had done in the Euros for his nation a year before, Sammer maraudes from deep and leads his team to a major trophy - in this instance, the Champions League. A very impressive side who had to beat the best team of their era to win the trophy playing in a system that was atypical of the era and only made possible by the aforementioned Sammer playing the sweeper role with such aplomb.



National:


0. West Germany 1990. Love them or loathe them, in the most cynical, ill-tempered World Cup there has been, West Germany displayed their class from the outset with Lothar Matthäus a shining beacon of footballing brilliance throughout the competition. Sometimes, winning ugly trumps the aesthetic side of the beautiful game, this was one such time. West Germany’s side of this hard-nosed era typified it – playing hard and cynically when necessary, but capable of genuine moments of game-winning magic.


1. Germany 1996. Matthias Sammer's German side was a sight to behold. Employing three at the back with Sammer surging from deep all tournament had him compared to the footballing god that is Franz Beckenbauer himself. A brand of football that set this team apart from all others for the entire decade.


2. Brazil 1997. The 'Ro-Ro' show of Ronaldo and Romario, in full swing in the Copa America in what remains one of the most awesome partnerships seen in the last half-century. The mind boggles when thinking what they could have brought to the 1998 World Cup together if not for a pig-headed coach.


3. France 1998. One of the best defenses ever seen in football formed the cornerstone of the team. An almost impenetrable backline and defensive midfield combination enabled the attack to eventually get the goals to win.


4. Brazil 1994. A solid, sensible 'un-Brazilian' side with a supreme striker and able side-kick taking them all the way to the trophy.


5. Italy 1994. The story goes that the losers can't state their place in the annuls of time (unless they're Hungary or Holland, of course), and so it is with Italy of 1994, who, if they had have won the World Cup, after an awe-inspiring tournament from Roberto Baggio, would be at the top of this list for the decade. They had all the components to be remembered as the legendary team of the decade... except the win.



Greatest 3 players: Ronaldo, Baresi/Maldini, Baggio/Romario


Feats and changes in decade:



  • The Bosman ruling changes the face of football forever.
    Sir Alex Ferguson said:
    Once the European Court of Justice ruled that clubs no longer had to pay transfer fees after the expiration of a player's contract, all hell broke loose. Suddenly it was a free-for-all."
    The quote is no exaggeration – football was changed beyond recognition in the light of the Bosman Ruling; players now had power and freedom of movement far beyond the scope of anything seen in the game to that point in time. Whenever you hear of a player leaving on ‘a free’ or contracts being renewed well ahead of expiry, Bosman’s ruling is the reason why. This ruling is far too deep to go into in a thread like this. If you are interested in truly discussing it, I’d suggest a new thread or a thorough Googling.
  • Bosman’s ruling ushers in the age of the football agent.
  • The Bosman ruling creates an extreme divide between the rich and the poor or even relatively well-off clubs. There is no way to bridge the gap in wealth now outside of exorbitantly rich owners. Fantasy stories of minnows winning leagues is effectively a thing of the past.
  • The festival of negative football that marred Italia '90 prompts sweeping reforms:
  • 3pts for a win is introduced as football's universal standard across domestic and international football.
  • The professional foul rule prevents systematic, concerted hacking at players and increases the amount of time the ball is in play dramatically.
  • Instant red card for denying a player beyond the last defender a clear goal-scoring opportunity. Before the introduction of this rule, attackers could be flung to the ground by a defender with the defender rarely even getting yellow, let alone a red card. This rule change prompted change in the way defensive lines set up.
  • The relaxation of the offside rule gives strikers the benefit of the doubt and also forces defensive lines to be more accurate in their traps.
  • The back-pass rule is introduced, which removes extended periods of stalling and gamesmanship - keepers are forced to use footwork and ground passing as well as first-time punts as picking up the ball from a deliberate pass back is outlawed, changing tactical plans emphatically. With this change, pressing goalkeepers in the hope of erroneous kicking and mistakes, becomes common.
  • The tackle from behind is outlawed in 1998. Prior to this point, different referees had differing interpretations of what represented serious foul play – some bad tackles from behind would be reprimanded, others would slip through the net. In light of the new ruling, tackling from behind was completely outlawed, and thus, interpretation was no longer an issue. A follow-on from this rule has been that any blind-sided tackle is now outlawed, which makes the life of attackers, dribblers and progressive players far easier, and safer, than it ever was before this point. Some defenders had made a good living out of crunching into the back of attacking players and thought it a fair tactic – with the rule change, defenders and defending as a whole was forced into wholesale change and a certain type of defender was rendered obsolete.
  • Another concept that was coming to its end in the 90's was that of man-marking with the last real use of the tactic seen in the World Cup of 1990. It is thought that 'wasting' a man of your own solely marking an opposition player is not optimal, especially so with the man-marker now being dragged around the pitch and used as a weakness by wily marked players. Zonal football superseding marker systems calls for teams to be more dynamic and aware of vacant space and exploits, which is why the notion of effectively taking your own team down to ten-men by utilising a sole-purpose man-marker becomes frowned upon. On vary rare occasion, the man-marker is still dotted around the 90's, but it is clearly the dying ember of the role.
  • Zonal marking systems and also the high demands and skill requirement of the rounded sweeper role renders it redundant, nearly. Unless a player emerges with the organic and innate ability to do as many things as the classic '70's sweeping role demanded, it was seen as both difficult and a contrivance to force such a complicated role into a team. The sweeper was also seen as a role that created an unhealthy dependence on one player, which is why it was gravitated away from and considered not worth the effort and also ill-considered, should this one man get injured after the whole team's tactics had been adjusted to suit him. Only Matthias Sammer really bucked this trend once the old guard, such as Baresi, hung up their boots, and even then, Sammer was an oddity of the era - one whom allowed both his club and national team to play in a very unique manner for that particular decade.
  • Whilst the play-making sweeper role is not missed, per se, the deep-lying play-making midfielder does come into prominence at the back-end of the 90's.
  • Globalisation and TV money drives reform of the club game to focus resources into a small number of leagues and clubs. South American and smaller European leagues are the biggest casualties with their leagues plundered for talent sooner, swifter and in far greater quantity than ever before.
  • Three substitutions from a bench of five substitutes is introduced in 1995, further improving tactical change, but also demanding a better quality of bench.
  • The three foreigner rule is scrapped for European club competition in 1996. Prior to this rule’s removal, the Premier League suffered greatly because the United Kingdom and also Ireland were seen as separate entities, and although Ireland is a separate nation, in terms of football in the UK, Irish footballers are as ingrained as any other Home Nation to the point it was a serious issue for clubs to have to pick and choose between Home Nation + Irish talents before even considering actual, traditionally termed foreign players. Manchester United suffered greatly under the old rules as their Irish, Welsh and then foreign contingent had to be divvied up and unceremoniously chosen between, particularly damaging in the 1993/’94 season. Because of the way Premier League teams were built during this era, the incentive to take punts on external talent was remote, plus it was difficult to entice top foreign talent to English shores; with the lifting of the three foreigner rule, the Premier League was deluged with foreign players of varying quality. For the top clubs, it meant they could now seek out the best of the best they could convince to their clubs and try and assemble teams and squads on par with their opponents in the Champions League and other European competitions.


1990's All-Star XI



---------------------------------------------------Ronaldo

----------------------------------------------------Baggio

---Giggs--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Figo

--------------------------------------Sammer---------------Keane

Maldini----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Cafu

-----------------------------------Kohler-------------------------Baresi

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All Time Greatest Players:


Centre Forwards: Henry, Shevchenko, Van Nistlerooy, Eto'o, Drogba, Torres, Owen

X: Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Messi, Rooney, Ballack, Raul

Support Strikers / Offensive Midfielders: Zidane, Totti, Kaka', Riquelme, Lampard

Wingers: C.Ronaldo, Nedved, McManaman, Mendieta, Pires, Kewell

Central Midfielders: Pirlo, Scholes, Makélélé, Seedorf, Deco, Gerrard

Full-Backs: Roberto Carlos, Zanetti, A Cole, Zambrotta, Abidal, Maicon, Puyol, Gallas

Centre-Backs: Nesta, Ferdinand, Ayala, Campbell, Lucio, Carvalho, Terry, Vidic, Cannavaro

Goalkeepers: Buffon, Kahn, Casillas, Van der Sar, Julio Cesar



Great Teams:


Club:


1. Barcelona 2008-2011. In running for greatest club side of all-time. Pep Guardiola ushered in: the era of the high-press; short, sharp passing chains and agility in the midfield from which the somewhat derisory term ‘techno-midget’ was coined to denote the type of midfielders who thrived in this modification of pressing, hyper-technical football. At this team’s peak, opposing sides would generally ‘shell up’ rather than attempt to play open football against them, such was their prowess in finding options and holes to exploit. The question of who is better between them and AC Milan of the 80’s to determine the greatest ever club side, is frequently posed.


2. Manchester United 2007-2011. 3 Champions League finals in 4 seasons. It's not incorrect to say that if not for Barcelona's best ever club side, United would have been the dominant force of the entire decade. A cultured, methodical side who had a manager in Alex Ferguson who felt Manchester United, as a club, should have done more on the grandest club stage than they had to that point in time. In contrast to the naive, gung-ho, all-out attacking team of the 1998-'99 campaign, through numerous setbacks and upsets in the years following lifting that most coveted trophy, Alex Ferguson had learned patience and timing was key as he was forced to forge his new side in the harshest flames of the Champions League's furnace. The end product that came from the process was a team with multiple facets to it who could play in a myriad of ways. A defense that went on to break Champions League records married to a midfield with two adept forward passing ball-players at its base - one being the mercurial Paul Scholes - combined with a rapid, lethal, fluid attack consisting of Wayne Rooney, Carlos Tevez and Cristiano Ronaldo. Outside of Barcelona's bamboozling tiki-taka football, this side expected to take on all-comers in whatever style of football was necessary. Without doubt, the greatest four-year period in the history of the club.


3. Real Madrid 2000-2002. 2 European Cups in 3 seasons in a strong era for the competition earns Real Madrid a spot in this list. Some of the football played and goals scored does the rest.


4. Chelsea 2004-2010. Like Juventus in the 90's, Chelsea became the proving ground for others to 'max out' and reach their peaks. Just as Juventus had served this purpose for United in the 90's, so too did Chelsea in the '00's. They did the same for Barcelona and Liverpool. Without Chelsea, the 2000's would look very different, and who knows whether so many players and teams would have hit their highs if not for them. A solid, robust team who were deadly on the counter and fighters to the end. An essential component in the story of the '00's, for better or worse.


5. Boca Juniors 1998-2004. The personification of the 4-4-2 diamond, with Riquelme at his absolute best in the #10 role behind the strikers. 4 Copa Libertadores finals in five seasons, winning 3 of them and being a match for whichever European side they faced in the subsequent Intercontinental Cup. In terms of possession-base, they played tiki-taka before the term had even been coined. A dream to watch. Comfortably top 5 in terms of technique in all of these club teams listed throughout this thread.



National:


1. France 2000. Zidane's peak. A tweaked and better version of the '98 side with an attack to match the defense.


2. Spain 2008. Little did the world know this was just the tip of the iceberg for the Spanish national team. Favoured Spanish national team for many, due to them taking more risks than those that followed. They took controlling a game through the strength of the midfield to a height not seen since the early and mid 80's with Brazil '82 and France '84, respectively.


3. Italy 2000. Just like Baggio before him, if Italy had won the Euro 2000 final, Totti's status in the game would be elevated far beyond what it now is. Toldo's tournament may be the strongest ever seen from a keeper in a major.


4. Brazil 2002. A good side, but not the strongest of tournaments or runs through to lifting the trophy. Still, they attacked with verve and were always on the front foot en route to lifting the trophy.


5. Holland 1998-2000. The Netherlands played beautiful football throughout both the 1998 World Cup and Euro 2000. Their problem in lists such as these is that other teams won or got to the finals of their respective tournaments whilst Holland fell short at the semi-final stage of both tournaments. Still, this is a side that brought joy to the masses, produced some breath-taking football, and scored some of the most iconic goals of the past 30 years.



Greatest 3 players: Ronaldinho, Zidane, Rivaldo


Feats and changes in decade:


  • The flat back four takes over and the 4-2-3-1 is widely adopted. The old back three with two man-markers and a sweeper is no more as teams reshuffle to deal with one-man strike forces and a looser offside rule. Zonal marking becomes par for the course.
  • The flat midfield four fades out of the elite game as control of midfield becomes key. Compact contain and counter football is the hallmark of the top European sides for the majority of the decade.
  • The more attacker friendly environment and improved pitches provide the conditions for possession football to flourish. Pep Guardiola's Barcelona and the Spain of Luis Aragones and Vincent del Bosque embrace tiki-taka and create two of the most dominant dynasties in the club and international game.
  • The false 9 is re-popularised initially through Francesco Totti at Roma.
  • The six-second rule for goalkeepers handling the ball is introduced. This further reduces stalling and gamesmanship. It also prompts keepers to become more mobile on their feet in pursuit of releasing the ball in time when under pressure.
  • The English Premier League is the last major league to adopt the 7 substitutes to a bench rule in 2009, bringing it into line with continental Europe. This change hastens the bolstering of top clubs’ squads and enables the football arms race and hoarding of players to go up another gear. From this point forward, it is not uncommon for wealthy clubs to have hundreds of millions of pounds of talent sitting on the bench at any one time. The team game is now a squad game with tactical planning for a season stretching more to the utilisation of a full squad rather than a select number of players.



2000's All-Star XI



-------------------------------------------------------Henry

---Ronaldinho----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rivaldo

--------------------------------------------------------Zidane

---------------------------------------------Pirlo---------------Makélélé

Roberto Carlos
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Zanetti

-----------------------------------------Nesta-------------------------Ferdinand

-------------------------------------------------------Buffon




2010's


All Time Greatest Players:


Centre Forwards: L. Suarez, Lewandowski, Villa, Aguero, Benzema, Falcao, Ibrahimovic

X: Messi, C.Ronaldo, Neymar, Tevez, T. Muller, Griezmann,

Support Strikers / Offensive Midfielders: Iniesta, Rooney, Sneijder, Hazard, D. Silva, De Bruyne,

Wingers: Robben, Ribery, Di Maria, Reus, Bale

Central Midfielders: Xavi, Schweinsteiger, Modric, Vidal, Busquets, Mascherano, Kroos

Full-Backs: Lahm, Dani Alves, Marcelo, Alaba, Carvajal

Centre-Backs: Godin, S. Ramos, Thiago Silva, Pique, Varane, Chiellini

Goalkeepers: Neuer, De Gea, Cech, Courtois, Oblak


Great Teams:


Club:


1. Real Madrid 2014/15-2017-'18. The Champions League went from 'who will be the first team in the modern era to win it back-to-back?' to a three-time consecutive winning team in the blink of an eye, well, three seasons. An unprecedented feat in the modern era. It should also e noted that Madrid won a fourth Champions League in this decade before the triple cascade.


2. Bayern Munich 2013-2014: Jupp Heynckes' treble-winning machine. Attacked with purpose and counter-attacked with a venomous strike in the tail. A wonderful side to watch and many argue Ribery should have been the Ballon D'or winner off the back of his performances during this spectacular season of Bayern's.


3. Barcelona 2014-2015. 'M.S.N.' rampage through La Liga and the Champions League, prompting some to call them the best attacking trio club football has seen in the history of the sport.


4. Atlético Madrid. 2013-2016. Diego Simeone’s dogged Atlético Madrid side was absolute hell for teams to play against. Anachronistic, a true throwback to a bygone era in an age of aggressive attacking and overwhelming pressing, Simeone’s principles were to remain steadfast, work hard as a unit and be an absolute nightmare for teams to play through, or against, for that matter. The only true blip on their resume was the 4-1 hammering from Real in 2014 after extra time in a game they mentally collapsed in knowing they were a few seconds away from lifting the trophy. With Mourinho’s fading as a top-level coach, Simeone and his Atlético side were the only full-fledged defensive super power contesting at the very top of the European club game.


5. Juventus. 2015-present. Serie A’s massive fall from grace from dominant super league through the late 80’s all the way into the 2000’s had many casualties with Juventus, after AC Milan, being the severest. In the beginning of their rise back to prominence they were seen as a side doing good things in a moderately good league, but their consistency in the last few Champions Leagues has slowly earned them respect to the point some see them as favourites for this year’s competition, especially in light of them signing Cristiano Ronaldo and Madrid’s supposed demise from their own mantel as kings of Europe. Given the 2010’s don’t actually end for another year, should Juventus win the tournament this season, they would place themselves above Atlético above them, but would have to do something more impressive than merely winning the competition to go further up the ranks.



National:


1. Spain 2010-2012. 3 Major trophies won in a row, 2 of which were collected in this decade - most dominant national side in history, per fact (3 major trophies in a row, trumps Brazil’s back-to-back world cups of ’58 and ’62). In keeping with their decade, took defending via retaining the ball to the apex of what has been seen in the sport to date. Despite extreme possession stats and an emphasis in keeping the ball in and around the offensive side of the centre-circle, some classed this side as defensive due to their lack of intent to progress the ball should the opening to do so not arise – Spain, unlike any other nation who have been mentioned in this thread, were perfectly fine with holding on to the ball for literal minutes at a time without progressing it. Whether this style was negative or positive is open to debate, but what it not is the sheer class and ability they displayed in said retention of the ball.


2. Germany 2014. Fresh off the back of their treble-winning season, Bayern’s best German players went into the 2014 World Cup full of confidence and belief in their ability. Some of the football played was seen as ‘un-German’ due to its creativity and impulsiveness over methodical or systematic approaches. The most embarrassing and incomprehensible defeat ever seen in international football was dished out to Brazil by this side, in their home nation, at the semi-final stage of the tournament, and that 1-7 thumping of a national giant on such a prestigious stage will be almost impossible to topple. Bastian Schweinsteiger’s performance in the World Cup final is already cemented as the stuff of legend.


3. France 2016-present.. Nothing particularly spectacular has happened with the France national team despite them reaching a Euro final and winning the World Cup in succession. They have been highly touted and seen as the best squad in the world for some time now, and the feeling is that there’s a lot more to come from them. For what they have done to date, they warrant their placing here, though. Anton Griezmann has an impressive goal haul in majors, and they’ve played sumptuous football at times. Kylian Mbappe, could well be the star of the 2020’s and his legend for the national team is just starting, what with him being all of 19 years old. The feeling with this French team is that, when pushed, they have another gear, as of yet, they don’t harness that top level for any concerted period of time, if, or when, they do, perhaps they can be compared to the legendary national sides dotted throughout this thread.


4. Chile. 2010-2016. Chile burst onto the international scene in the 2010 World Cup with a fantastic brand of ‘Bielsa-ball’ playing a 3-1-3-3 that won over many a neutral and endeared them to the world. Bielsa, as he is wont to do, left soon after, but the Chile side continued to impress; Vidal and Sanchez performed like beasts for their national team during this period and the greatest triumphs of all were their two Copa America wins over the great South American World Cup-winning nations who are expected to dominate the competition.


5. Holland 2010-2014. Arjen Robben took his legacy to the next level with his performances throughout the World Cup of 2014. A man possessed backed by an able enough team playing a very poor brand of football by renowned Dutch standards - Holland of 2010, where Wesley Sneijder was close to his peak, was a better brand. Neither side raised the roof, but their results warrant their place in this list.



Greatest 3 players: Messi, C.Ronaldo, Xavi


Feats and changes in decade:


  • The 2010s represent the maturation of numerous philosophies and taking of them to their absolutes. To this end, Tiki-Taka; extreme ball-retention through midfield; extreme pressing; the full exploitation of said pressing in the mid and high blocks of the pitch, all came to the fore as a commonplace style for numerous top teams.
  • Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi dominate almost the entire decade as the best players in the world, per ballon d’or wins until the stranglehold is broken by Luca Modric in 2018. For only two players to share the individually awarded best player in the world title (under whatever guise) is unprecedented. From 2010-2018, the aforementioned players won the award 4 times apiece. Although age and them being in separate leagues now plays a part, the rivalry between both players and their fans wages on.
  • Centre-backs that can attack and play the ball forward from the defensive line, as opposed to one (sweeper in old 3-man backlines) in three, or one from two in a 4-man system are greatly sought after even at the expense of defending in and of itself.
  • Fullbacks, as a whole, are at their most aggressive and attack-minded than at any point in the history of 4-man systems - an attacking fullback is no longer a novelty, quirk or outlier; it is a prerequisite to play the position as is now intended.
  • Resting in possession rather than dropping into a defensive shape is the preferred method of recovery. This sees more action in the centre of the pitch and an onus on high lines to suffocate opposition for turnovers before the recovery stage is embarked upon.
  • The role of out-and-out #9 solely focused on scoring and attacking phases of play is almost extinct. Strikers now must be multi-functional and adept in both the build-up of play and defending from the front in some instances. In past decades, strikers who could do these things were a bigger asset to the team than ones that could or would not, but in the 2010's a solely adept finisher is likely to be seen as a liability rather than a coveted player. Goal poachers and ‘six yard strikers’ are an absolutely rarity and barely seen at the strongest clubs.
  • Inverted wingers become goal-scorers with the width provided by attacking full-backs.
  • Conventional wingers (left/right-footed wide man on the left/right side of the pitch respectively, remaining on the outside and working for more crosses than forays in-field are rarely seen.
  • 4-4-2 makes a resurgence through the titled midfield diamond/square of Diego Simeone's Atletico Madrid
  • Long-range shooting as well as working to the byline for a head-height cross becomes frowned upon. The onus is on cutbacks from wide positions and progression of the ball through the offensive third via short passes over shooting from distance.
  • Any tackle which involves two feet leaving the ground in unison is outlawed and results in a red card for the offending party. Any tackle where the initiator is deemed to not be ‘in full control’ of his body, as in, cannot control his momentum and subsequent follow-through, is deemed serious foul play, and also results in a straight red card. These rule changes aid attackers tremendously – some fans and former players deem the sport ‘non-contact’ as ‘going to ground’ is now a much more challenging tackle to attempt due to the penalty for getting it wrong.


2010's All-Star XI



-------------------------------------------------------L. Suarez

---C.Ronaldo-----------------------------------------------------------------------Messi

--------------------------------------------------------Iniesta

------------------------------------- Schweinsteiger---------------Xavi

Lahm
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dani Alves

------------------------------------------Godin-------------------------Ramos

------------------------------------------------------- -Neuer



With thanks to @Gio and @harms for their input and patience :wenger: :angel:
 
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2. Manchester United 2007-2010. 3 Champions League finals in 4 seasons. It's not incorrect to say that if not for Barcelona's best ever club side, United would have been the dominant force of the entire decade.
Shouldn't this be 2011?
 

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It's difficult to look past the 2010s in terms of club football. The massively increased wealth of elite teams has led to an unprecedented concentration of talent and the creation of multiple super teams. Points records in all the big leagues have tumbled in recent years and if you look at ELO peaks the top 3 are the Barca, Bayern, and Real teams of this decade.

Messi and Ronaldo were at their peak in this decade - the best player of all time and an incredible goalscoring machine - so we're covered in terms of players.

Only the national teams fall a bit short, the depth isn't quite what it was in other decades. On the other hand, the best teams of the decade, Spain and Germany, are up there with the GOATs.

In conclusion, 2010s rule - but I fully expect nostalgia to win the poll :)
 

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Everyone will have their own opinions but that was a good read.

Plenty to disagree with though, I'd pick almost entirely different teams in some decades.
 

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Plenty to disagree with though, I'd pick almost entirely different teams in some decades.
Feel free to — if you have time, of course. The idea was to generate the discussion.
 

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Huge effort, are these your own opinions, or have you adapted this from something else?
My writing, with insights from harms and gio.

It basically started as a small idea just before Christmas and just kept growing, annoyingly, with little bits being added over the festive period.
 

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Call me biased, but one 50’s side did not get the opportunity to achieve the greatness they promised and would certainly have come their way.
 

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What a great read!

My memory goes back to the 80's, and maybe it's because I was young back then, but that's the decade I prefer. Maradona behind van Basten :drool:

Allow me to make one tiny objection. Michael Laudrup should be in the 90's imo. He moved to Barcelona in '89 and it was in spain where he made the biggest impact by far, winning 5 consecutive league titles and a European Cup. And if you put him there he will challenge Baggio as the AM of the decade.
 

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I'd say its the 80s or the 90s. There were brilliant players available in every position. With that midfield and defence you'd probably give it to the 80s lot. The last decade has been arguably the poorest.

The 70s produced some brilliant footballers too but i didnt see them.
 
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My writing, with insights from harms and gio.

It basically started as a small idea just before Christmas and just kept growing, annoyingly, with little bits being added over the festive period.
Great effort (@harms @Gio ).

I went for the 80s instinctively but after I read the entire thing (well written) and thought about ...... still went for the 80s :cool:. If fancy an 80s top XI to take on anyone ... even Brazil 70.
 

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I disagree with a few points but good read regardless. Thanks for the effort.

You should make a Medium post.
 

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Call me biased, but one 50’s side did not get the opportunity to achieve the greatness they promised and would certainly have come their way.
There are numerous problems with listing the Busby Babes, amidst so many teams who realised their potential in that same era, dropping in conjecture to make their case doesn't quite work. The '50's had a lot of top class sides full of grown men at the height of their powers. As we know, the Babes were in the ascendancy, and could have gone on to be a true force, but equally, we can't say that with any certainty.
Really nice piece of work.

Duncan Edwards wasn't a centre-half though... :-)
With no W-M or W-W system, I'm sure he could have slotted in equally at the back as at left-half. His qualities, mobility and size are really needed at the back in that 50's side, for me.

Out of interest, where do you rate Tommy Taylor in a list of strikers for the 50's?
Great effort (@harms @Gio ).

I went for the 80s instinctively but after I read the entire thing (well written) and thought about ...... still went for the 80s :cool:. If fancy an 80s top XI to take on anyone ... even Brazil 70.
I don't think there's a wrong answer to the question and I certainly don't think any of those decades can be dismissed as inferior to the others even on paper. I personally think all of the sides are incredibly strong-looking.

Have to admit, the 80's look incredibly strong. ;)
 

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Disagreements are good for discussion. Feel free to air views - its not some definitive scroll. :)
 

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2010s always get rated far too low in these. I suppose it's due to the defence mainly. There are next to no defense orientated top teams nowadays and so everyone says the defenders aren't so great. Another view could be that the forwards are just that good that they are impossible to contain and so it comes down to outscoring the opposition as the best solution.
 

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Great work all of you.

Slightly peeved that Scholesy didn't make the best XI from either the 1990 or 2000 eras but that's fine.

Overall, I think the '90s team would come out on top (with Scholesy pulling the strings from CM), followed closely by the 2010 team.
 

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There are numerous problems with listing the Busby Babes, amidst so many teams who realised their potential in that same era, dropping in conjecture to make their case doesn't quite work. The '50's had a lot of top class sides full of grown men at the height of their powers. As we know, the Babes were in the ascendancy, and could have gone on to be a true force, but equally, we can't say that with any certainty.
Absolutely. My mother saw them when she first came to England and a life-long love of United began. For all the success they did have it’s just heartbreaking the Babes never got their chance to make your excellent post.
 

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@Fortitude apart from baresi being in the wrong era I applaud the amazing detail of the post and whilst I can argue with many players being included or excluded it's a really good piece if work.

For me, being 10 in 88 when Holland won the euro with van Basten, maradona at his peak, Milan defence they'd shit on any era...

If any era could faze them it would be 00s with Ronaldo and zidane...

When i die my wish would be to play there matches and just see who would be whom when all in their prime..
 

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Almost certainly heavily influence by my age, but I'd have to go 00s.

The tail end of United's treble winning side, the transitional van Nistelrooy era, then the resurgant European champions. Domestically we also saw Arsenal's Invincibles and Mourinho's Chelsea. Madrid had their Galacticos, while Barca truly emerged as a dominant force in Europe. There was also that one off Porto side and a very strong AC Milan.

Internationally we saw the French dominance start the decade, but saw Brazil lift the first World Cup. Then we had the shock Greece win, followed by Italy's World Cup win, before finally seeing Spain finally arrive.

We got to see the peaks and ends of a load of fantastic players' careers, as well as the emergence of Messi and Ronaldo. The fact that we're in 2019 and Messi and Ronaldo are still considered the pinnacle is a testament to their abilities, but in the 00s they also shared a decade with the likes of Luis Ronaldo, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Figo, Kaka and Shevchenko.
 

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Amazing thread. Obviously a massively difficult decision between the three eras I've seen. For nostalgia I'd say 90s were fantastic even if just for the shirts.
 

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There are numerous problems with listing the Busby Babes, amidst so many teams who realised their potential in that same era, dropping in conjecture to make their case doesn't quite work. The '50's had a lot of top class sides full of grown men at the height of their powers. As we know, the Babes were in the ascendancy, and could have gone on to be a true force, but equally, we can't say that with any certainty.

With no W-M or W-W system, I'm sure he could have slotted in equally at the back as at left-half. His qualities, mobility and size are really needed at the back in that 50's side, for me.

Out of interest, where do you rate Tommy Taylor in a list of strikers for the 50's?



There are literally hundreds of brilliant footballers who could have played in many varied positions....but they didn't. Duncan never played centre-half. So putting him there because he might have been good in that position when his club and country manager never did so seems a strange thing to do.

I think if you are looking at a contemporary piece of comparing greats in history then you should put them in the positions they actually played in history. It really confuses me why so many people do this.

Duncan said this about playing as a half-back in his book 'Tackle Soccer This Way'.

"These are the linkmen, the men who make or break a side. Have a good defence, have a good attack, but have poor wing-halves linking them and your team loses half its efficiency. Their job is to stop the other sides inside-forwards fetching and carrying the ball and yet at the same time see that their own inside-forwards get as much of the ball as possible.

But before a ball is kicked or a tackle made, the keynote of this position is stamina. The wing-half is never still, Either he is foraging in his opponents' half, or else back helping his own defence withstand pressure. The main part of his defensive job is to keep a check on those inside-forwards. Yet obviously he cannot do it through close marking, in the way that the fullbacks and centre-half do their job. Rather he has to rely on his own speed to get him back in defence once his own side has been suddenly robbed of the initiative.

His dominance in midfield is the deciding factor in any match.

Styles of wing-half differ greatly, depending on the needs of the team. Some are allowed to concentrate on attack, while others are pulled back into a defensive role. My own idea of the top class wing-half is that he should defend and attack with equal competence, and that he should always remember that he is the nearest thing to perpetual motion the game will ever see."


This is Duncan describing his role both for Manchester United and England. He would be wasted at centre-half in the 1950's trying to man-mark the centre-forward. Both Murphy, Busby and Winterbottom knew that. It was in this role that he came third in the European Player of the Year in 1957 still only 21.

In terms of Tommy Taylor, would definitely have him in the list of strikers from the 1950's. England were still a European powerhouse, one of the favourites for the 1958 World Cup, and Taylor was well thought of as confirmed by the Brazilian press when he went to Brazil and the Spanish press when we played Real Madrid in the European Cup.
 

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2010s always get rated far too low in these. I suppose it's due to the defence mainly. There are next to no defense orientated top teams nowadays and so everyone says the defenders aren't so great. Another view could be that the forwards are just that good that they are impossible to contain and so it comes down to outscoring the opposition as the best solution.
Also due to international football. Spain are the only side of the decade who have an argument of being among the best ever, and most found them boring as hell to watch.
 

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I just re-read the '50's because I wasn't sure on something, and realised that I'd put the asterisk in for him at CB, but completely omitted him, by error, from his actual L-H position, so I can see where your confusion lies, as it looked like I'd put him in solely as a CB when it was supposed to be a secondary position, hence the asterisk.

An error in the edit - when staring at a wall of text, and not having someone else proofing, there's a tendency to gloss over things, or auto-fill them in your mind's eye, which I've done a few times and have had to correct today. The Edwards error is the biggest one thus far, which I've amended now, so thank you for pointing out something I would probably have continued to erroneously gloss over until someone else picked up on it.

I toyed with putting Taylor in and then thought I'd better not. I'm going to add him again.

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Also due to international football. Spain are the only side of the decade who have an argument of being among the best ever, and most found them boring as hell to watch.
Yeah that's a fair enough point actually. The French side of the 20s could have a shit depending how they develop together.
 

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Great post.

For me the greatest world be

Decade for players - 2000s.
Some many legends played in this era. The all star team is probably the strongest.

Decade for teams - 2010s.
Spain and Barcelona are the two greatest teams football has ever seen. Spain, 3 tournaments in a row is almost impossible to do. Barcelona played football from another planet.
 

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I grew up in the 00s era but I have to say I think the 90s edges it.

Having said that, watching Ronaldinho and a young Cristiano Ronaldo was an absolute pleasure.
 

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Ehehe, I voted the 90's like the majority here. Must be based on some nostalgia but also there were a lot of transformations during that decade who broght us here. Particularly the changes regarding the offside rules, more protection for the players regarding agressive tackles, and of course the Bosman Ruling.

A good thread to read, of course I could add some players from Portugal 66 beside Eusébio or Coluna, but that is always debatable. I would put Michael Laudrup on the 90's for the influence he had on Barcelona, Real Madrid and the Spanish League.

Also wouldn't look out of place to move Hassler (my favourite German player from that era) to the 90's, and not having Klinsmann there with him is hard. Just rewatch the 2 at USA WC 94.

Good observation regarding Futre, most naturally talented winger from Sporting (sorry Figo or Cris), but he was done at 27 on his knees, started smoking at 12, wasn't 50% as professional as the other 2, and when he left Porto he joined the most crazy club (Atletico Madrid) and President from that era (Jesus Gil Y Gil), who liked to sack managers as we change pijamas.

Good job @Fortitude @Gio @harms. Very good to read, certainly difficult to get so concrete information.
 

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Puyol and Rafa Marquez should be on the CBs of 2000's. Better than Campbell or Lucio.
 

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Puyol and Rafa Marquez should be on the CBs of 2000's. Better than Campbell or Lucio.
Don't want to defend them, but have you seen Sol Campbell at Arsenal, or Lucio at Inter Milan? Don't think Marquez was better than those 2, at least imo.
 

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I think Lucio is so overhyped because his goals and his runs forward. Lucio was good 1 season at Inter in a super-defensive team (Motta & Cambiasso shielded him very well). In fact, Samuel was better IMO that season. Marquez was great 2004-2010, only injuries prevented him from having more recognition IMO. Barcelona 2006 was a rock defensive too (no goals conceded from open play in the CL) with him without being 11 players in the box like Inter ^^

Pepe also is one of the very best CBs of 2010's. Better than the overhyped Thiago Silva (only a couple of good seasons at Milan as a top CB). Pepe is a physical freak who could keep a high line almost by himself. He was a psycho under Mourinho (when he calmed under Ancelotti he become even a better player) but a phenomenal player. Oh, and the best player of the Champions of Euro 2016 by FAR.
 
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The OP is Golden Quality.

I'd like to add this: worst era of football was late '70s-early '80s.

:D:D:D

A step back from the vibrant, brave 1960s football (culminating in Brazil 1970) and the Ajax-Bayern lessons from 1970-76, and totally overshadowed by the birth of modern football: Platini, Maradona, Sacchi's AC Milan, and Cruyff's Barça.

Decade by players? Thinking about the 2000s : Henry, Zidane, Beckham, Figo, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos, Effenberg, Kahn, Nedved, Seedorf, Davids, Deco, Lampard, Eto'o, Puyol, Pirlo, Buffon, C.Ronaldo, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, hmm...
 
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I think Lucio is so overhyped because his goals and his runs forward. Lucio was good 1 season at Inter in a super-defensive team (Motta & Cambiasso shielded him very well). In fact, Samuel was better IMO that season. Marquez was great 2004-2010, only injuries prevented him from having more recognition IMO. Barcelona 2006 was a rock defensive too (no goals conceded from open play in the CL) with him without being 11 players in the box like Inter ^^

Pepe also is one of the very best CBs of 2010's. Better than the overhyped Thiago Silva (only a couple of good seasons at Milan as a top CB). Pepe is a physical freak who could keep a high line almost by himself. He was a psycho under Mourinho (when he calmed under Ancelotti he become even a better player) but a phenomenal player. Oh, and the best player of the Champions of Euro 2016 by FAR.
Never thought I would see a Barça Fan praising Pepe. What a time to be alive :eek:
 

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Depends on what is meant by greatest decade for players and teams.

For greatest 11 it has to be the 60’s.

Eusebio
Pele
Best
Charlton
Facchetti
Carlos Alberto
Moore
Yashin

Bar Alberto and Facchetti who are obviously all time greats themselves, the rest that I listed above are the best or 2nd best of all time in their position.

For decade of the greatest amount of players, then I would have to go with the 80’s easily.

So 60’s for greatest 11.

80’s for greatest number of players.