The Maciek's League Table (what it actually looks like)

[P-Nut]

This way of presenting the table is a great idea.

That said, the side to side to side comparison would make a hell of a lot more sense if the top team was at the top of the image on both sides. It’s really difficult to judge our recent improvement the way you’ve presented the data there.

Yeah you'd be able to see how much the gap is closing on each side that way

 

[Maciej]

Updated after 23 league games.

Look at the gap between us and Watford. This is the job that Ole has done.

60 - Liverpool
59 -
58 -
57 -
56 - Manchester City
55 -
54 -
53 -
52 -
51 - Tottenham
50 -
49 -
48 -
47 - Chelsea
46 -
45 -
44 - Arsenal, Manchester United
43 -
42 -
41 -
40 -
39 -
38 -
37 -
36 -
35 -
34 -
33 - Watford
32 - Wolverhampton
31 - Leicester, West Ham
30 - Everton, Bournemouth
29 -
28 -
27 -
26 - Brighton
25 -
24 -
23 -
22 - Crystal Palace, Southampton, Burnley
21 - Newcastle
20 -
19 - Cardiff
18 -
17 -
16 -
15 -
14 - Fulham
13 -
12 -
11 - Huddersfield
10 -
9 -
8 -
7 -
6 -
5 -
4 -
3 -
2 -
1 -

 

[Maciej]

This way of presenting the table is a great idea.

That said, the side to side to side comparison would make a hell of a lot more sense if the top team was at the top of the image on both sides. It’s really difficult to judge our recent improvement the way you’ve presented the data there.

Sorry, Pogue, for the delay. I must have missed that.

Here it is.

United's top form (18/18) and Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham losing points closed the gap, but Liverpool's 15/18 don't really change the length of the table

 

[P-Nut]

Sorry, Pogue, for the delay. I must have missed that.

Here it is.

United's top form (18/18) and Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham losing points closed the gap, but Liverpool's 15/18 don't really change the length of the table

Tottenham's wobble really hasn't cost them that much, Arsenal and Chelsea however seem to have been in free fall since Ole took over.

 

[Maciej]

Arsenal's wobble looks the best. And imagine what it would have looked like, had they lost to Chelsea at the weekend. Disaster.

 

[Fanatic 00237]

Great thread!

Updated after 15 games.

Updated after 23 league games.

Look at the gap between us and Watford. This is the job that Ole has done.

60 - Liverpool
59 -
58 -
57 -
56 - Manchester City
55 -
54 -
53 -
52 -
51 - Tottenham
50 -
49 -
48 -
47 - Chelsea
46 -
45 -
44 - Arsenal, Manchester United
43 -
42 -
41 -
40 -
39 -
38 -
37 -
36 -
35 -
34 -
33 - Watford
32 - Wolverhampton
31 - Leicester, West Ham
30 - Everton, Bournemouth
29 -
28 -
27 -
26 - Brighton
25 -
24 -
23 -
22 - Crystal Palace, Southampton, Burnley
21 - Newcastle
20 -
19 - Cardiff
18 -
17 -
16 -
15 -
14 - Fulham
13 -
12 -
11 - Huddersfield
10 -
9 -
8 -
7 -
6 -
5 -
4 -
3 -
2 -
1 -

The difference between both tables. After 15 games we were so clearly and visibly mid-table, cut off from top 5 and closer to the bottom than to the top. Only 6 games with Ole and we’re now firmly in the leading peloton, close to breaking into the top 4. What a turnaround!

 

[Maciej]

Yeah, the leading peloton.

Now I know why I prefer this table, I always enjoyed mountain stages of Tour de France and how the distance and time gaps looked was always presented on TV.

 

[Maciej]

61 - Liverpool
60 -
59 -
58 -
57 -
56 - Manchester City
55 -
54 - Tottenham
53 -
52 -
51 -
50 -
49 -
48 -
47 - Arsenal, Chelsea
46 -
45 - Manchester United
44 -
43 -
42 -
41 -
40 -
39 -
38 -
37 -
36 -
35 - Wolverhampton
34 -
33 - Everton, Watford, Bournemouth
32 - Leicester
31 - West Ham
30 -
29 -
28 -
27 -
26 - Brighton
25 -
24 - Newcastle
23 - Crystal Palace, Southampton, Burnley
22 -
21 -
20 -
19 - Cardiff
18 -
17 - Fulham
16 -
15 -
14 -
13 -
12 -
11 - Huddersfield
10 -
9 -
8 -
7 -
6 -
5 -
4 -
3 -
2 -
1 -

 

[Maciej]

After 25 games (with Liverpool and West Ham on 24 games).

61 - Liverpool
60 -
59 - Manchester City
58 -
57 - Tottenham
56 -
55 -
54 -
53 -
52 -
51 -
50 - Chelsea
49 -
48 - Manchester United
47 - Arsenal
46 -
45 -
44 -
43 -
42 -
41 -
40 -
39 -
38 - Wolverhampton
37 -
36 -
35 -
34 - Watford
33 - Everton, Bournemouth
32 - Leicester
31 - West Ham
30 -
29 -
28 -
27 - Brighton
26 - Crystal Palace
25 -
24 - Newcastle, Southampton, Burnley
23 -
22 - Cardiff
21 -
20 -
19 -
18 -
17 - Fulham
16 -
15 -
14 -
13 -
12 -
11 - Huddersfield
10 -
9 -
8 -
7 -
6 -
5 -
4 -
3 -
2 -
1 -

 

[buckooo1978]

superb from Solskjaer - I'm hoping we win our next couple and by the time we beat Liverpool at home we will be a couple clear of Chelsea

fair play to Spurs too - 4 points off the top with some key players missing the last month

 

[rampo]

So when Mourinho was fired, we were 13 points off 3rd, 11 points off 4th, 8 points off 5th and one point above 7th placed team.

Today we are 9 points off 3rd, 2 points off 4th, 1 point above 6th and 10 points above 7th placed team

That is one hell of an improvement

 

[WR10]

Brilliant by Ole. I’m equally as impressed with spurs keeping themselves within touching distance with the circus show of injuries they’ve got going on.

 

[AgentP]

After 25 games (with Liverpool and West Ham on 24 games).

61 - Liverpool
60 -
59 - Manchester City
58 -
57 - Tottenham
56 -
55 -
54 -
53 -
52 -
51 -
50 - Chelsea
49 -
48 - Manchester United
47 - Arsenal
46 -
45 -
44 -
43 -
42 -
41 -
40 -
39 -
38 - Wolverhampton
37 -
36 -
35 -
34 - Watford
33 - Everton, Bournemouth
32 - Leicester
31 - West Ham
30 -
29 -
28 -
27 - Brighton
26 - Crystal Palace
25 -
24 - Newcastle, Southampton, Burnley
23 -
22 - Cardiff
21 -
20 -
19 -
18 -
17 - Fulham
16 -
15 -
14 -
13 -
12 -
11 - Huddersfield
10 -
9 -
8 -
7 -
6 -
5 -
4 -
3 -
2 -
1 -

Most teams are where they are expected to be in the table based on the quality of players they have. City and Liverpool rightly in the top 2. Spurs, Chelsea and United have comparable squads. Arsenal a level below the others.

Then we have the next tier of teams. Wolves, Everton, West Ham, Leicester and Bournemouth. All these teams have 4-5 quality players. Watford maybe are a bit weaker in overall quality than the above teams but have done really well.

Then we have the bottom tier of teams with low levels of investment in the squad with the exception of Fulham. Crystal Palace also lower in the table than their sqaud quality.

 

[Maciej]

Updated.

 

[Gator Nate]

That makes for a really nice graphic! Well done!

 

[D4X73r]

Updated.

Nice. Please kerp this going for this and all the other seasons to come. I like that way to display the table as you directly see how big the gap between teams really is

 

[Bola]

Most teams are where they are expected to be in the table based on the quality of players they have. City and Liverpool rightly in the top 2. Spurs, Chelsea and United have comparable squads. Arsenal a level below the others.

Then we have the next tier of teams. Wolves, Everton, West Ham, Leicester and Bournemouth. All these teams have 4-5 quality players. Watford maybe are a bit weaker in overall quality than the above teams but have done really well.

Then we have the bottom tier of teams with low levels of investment in the squad with the exception of Fulham. Crystal Palace also lower in the table than their sqaud quality.

Not good reading if you are a Terriers fan. That is a lot of space to Cardiff, never mind safety!

 

[Maciej]

I don't even remember it, but it looks like I've always enjoyed such a way of presenting the league table.

February 2013, Fergie's last season, after 25 games.

It may take a few seconds before you find Liverpool.

Let's present the table like that.

 

[Maciej]

By the way, top teams have improved over the last seasons as you can see how long gaps there are between them.

Liverpool have an amazing season, but City and Tottenham aren't without any chances. We didn't have much competition that season when you look at the distance between us and City in 2013. Not to mention how far Chelsea, Tottenham, Everton (!) and Arsenal were.

 

[P-Nut]

I don't even remember it, but it looks like I've always enjoyed such a way of presenting the league table.

February 2013, Fergie's last season, after 25 games.

It may take a few seconds before you find Liverpool.

That table and this table next to each other should be interesting.

 

[Sassy Colin]

How the table would look if the season started when Ole took over:

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

Updated.

Nice perspective there. Thanks!

 

[Maciej]

How the table would look if the season started when Ole took over:

It must be the worst presentation of a league table I've ever seen.

 

[Sassy Colin]

It must be the worst presentation of a league table I've ever seen.

It's about as good as The Mirror gets.

 

[Maciej]

65 - Manchester City, Liverpool
64 -
63 -
62 -
61 -
60 - Tottenham
59 -
58 -
57 -
56 -
55 -
54 -
53 -
52 -
51 - Manchester United
50 - Chelsea, Arsenal
49 -
48 -
47 -
46 -
45 -
44 -
43 -
42 -
41 -
40 -
39 -
38 - Wolverhampton
37 - Watford
36 -
35 -
34 -
33 - Everton, West Ham, Bournemouth
32 - Leicester
31 -
30 -
29 -
28 -
27 - Crystal Palace, Brighton, Burnley
26 -
25 - Cardiff
24 - Newcastle, Southampton
23 -
22 -
21 -
20 -
19 -
18 -
17 - Fulham
16 -
15 -
14 -
13 -
12 -
11 - Huddersfield
10 -
9 -
8 -
7 -
6 -
5 -
4 -
3 -
2 -
1 -

 

[Shaw Mee Tah Mané]

No way, I was told 7 weeks ago that 4th was impossible!

 

[Zlatattack]

Next target Spurs.

 

[JinnerJamie]

How the table sh/would look:

 

[Maciej]

Unfrtunately the season starts in August and football didn't begin in 1992.

 

[JinnerJamie]

@Maciek's Table updated for match day 29

98 -
97 -
96 -
95 -
94 -
93 -
92 -
91 -
90 -
89 -
88 -
87 -
86 -
85 -
84 -
83 -
82 -
81 -
80 -
79 -
78 -
77 -
76 -
75 -
74 -
73 -
72
71 - Manchester City
70 - Liverpool
69 -
68 -
67 -
66 -
65 -
64 -
63 -
62 -
61 - Tottenham
60 -
59 -
58 - Manchester United
57 - Arsenal
56 - Chelsea*
55 -
54 -
53 -
52 -
51 -
50 -
49 -
48 -
47 -
46 -
45 -
44 -
43 - Wolverhampton, Watford
42 -
41 -
40 -
39 - West Ham
38 -
37 - Everton
36 -
35 - Leicester
34 - Bournemouth
33 - Crystal Palace
32 -
31 - Newcastle
30 - Brighton*, Burnley
29 -
28 -
27 - Southampton
26 -
25 - Cardiff
24 -
23 -
22 -
21 -
20 -
19 -
18 -
17 - Fulham
16 -
15 -
14 - Huddersfield
13 -
12 -
11 -
10 -
9 -
8 -
7 -
6 -
5 -
4 -
3 -
2 -
1 -

*Games in hand

 

[Maciej]

Thanks, I've been out for some time.

I'll prepare one more later today showing our progress since Ole's return.

 

[Maciej]

 

[Phil Osophy]

I made this, taking Spuds as a reference.

 

[Maciej]

 

[Kostur]

@Maciek time for one final update?

 

[RyRy11]

So Basically we are exactly where we were before Ole arrived?

 

[Maciej]

@Maciek time for one final update?

feck this shit, this team has made me totally out of it, I haven't enjoyed football since Sir Alex retired. I'm gone, and here's the explanation why.

 

[Kostur]

feck this shit, this team has made me totally out of it, I haven't enjoyed football since Sir Alex retired. I'm gone, and here's the explanation why.

Ouch, cheers man. Shows how shit the rest are.

 

[izec]

it is basically 5 groups with huge gaps in between. Ridiculous.

the first two
the other 4
the midtable clubs leaded by Wolves and Everton til Cardiff
Fulham
Huddersfield


Think we are closer to Wolves, Everton and Leicester than catching up with the rest. I fear we have a fight with the guys behind us next season if we dont get our act together

 

[Maciej]

12 - Liverpool
11 -
10 - Manchester City
9 -
8 - Leicester
7 - Crystal Palace, West Ham
6 - Arsenal
5 - Manchester United, Sheffield United, Chelsea
4 - Tottenham, Burnley, Everton, Southampton, Newcastle, Bournemouth, Brighton
3 - Wolves, Aston Villa, Norwich
2 -
1 - Watford
0 -

Anyone wants to keep this continued as I haven't been much into football over two years and this season I'm yet to watch a United game... ?