Could Rashford become United's all time goalscorer?

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Rooney has 253 goals. Rashford has 41. He will need another 212 goals.

I will try to do a math of it. And i will try to take every factors into counting. So the form will be like this. And i just do this base on the matches in England. Not European football rating include.

Rooney own skills and physically body + teammates level + opponents level + manager level in attacking way = 253 goals = manager lev + opponents lev + teamates lev + Rashford level

Those are the main and biggest physically factors behind a football player success. I dont take unvisible factor like luck into this counting. And i give 5 is the highest level and 3 is the middle and average level. And 1 is the lowest. So i start with Rooney.

Rooney skills : 5, average all over his career. Even he drop the level to 4,5 or 4 later in his career.
It was clearly as day about Rooney talent, that he will dominate and be the next big to happen in the football. Same level as C.Ronaldo.
About his body. He is not a natural easy on the toes player. So its a reason why i think RAshford will keep in longer than Rooney. Its definitive a disavantage compare to RAshford.

Rooney teammates level : average over his whole career i will rate it 5. Giggs, Scholes, C.Ronaldo, TEvez. But like his level drop in form, the level of his teammates drop to after Sir Alex retire. Gone is the class of 92 and Ronaldo, worse service and supporting. So its a plus compare to RAshford early years. But Rooney didnt score much in his late career.

Rooney opponents : in the 2000 there were max 2-3 really good teams. A top 3. So compare to the top 4-5 in RAshford early years. I will give 4 to Rooney opponents level. Average over his whole career.

Rooney managers level : Sir Alex was the manager most of Rooney career. So its definitive a 5


And now Rashfords years so far.

Rashford skills. Definitive not a 4. Rashford is close to Rooney, really close. But not at Rooney finisher level yet. Rooney was so sharp, clinical and determination in everything he was doing. Run, dribbling and finishing. And Rooney longshoot was better too. And Rooney had many goals outside the box too. So not a 4 or 5. It get to be 4,5

Rashfords teammates level : Its start with LVG. And he took over David Moyes and continue with Mourinho. Definitive not a 4,5. Rashford had most of the time. Consistent teamates under LVG was Martial. So not sure i will give a 4. But with Pobga under Mourinho so it will be around a 4.

Rashford opponents level : We have City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham. 4 really good teams include ARsenal, Everton teams that are the next best. So i will give Rashford opponents level a 5 so far. And of course compare to Rooney first years.

Rashfords managers level : In the way to help him and the team to score. LVG and Mourinho. Sorry both were not at theirs best period in their managers careers + plus Mourinho was defensive minded against the top 6. So it will be a 4


And another factor is penalty taker. Rooney start to be a regular penalty taker in some time. I dont remember. So i hope in some stage Rashford will be a regular penalty taker too. Its plus to a a striker that score 20 goals plus each season average. And if you a regular penalty taker like Baines for Everton, Mihajlovic for Crystal Palace and Milner for Liverpool. Average let we say 5 penalty goals each season. over 10 season it could be 50 goals.

So conclusion is. To help RAshford to reach 253 goals. I think the level of his teammates has to level and get up. Like a top RW and CM. Then i will give it a 5. Pobga is consistent as this moment. And if Martial find to his best, consistent. Adding a top RW like Jadon Sancho and the midfield general Axel Witsel in the cm. Or some another cm at Axel Witsel and Sancho level. Over the next 5 years. And if he start regular the next 5 years. Big possible he will score 100 goals in next 5 years. Taking that Ole and someone like United way attacking football style into counting.
But i think Pobga want to take the penalty in the years to come. So i will lower the expecations to 15 goals each season withouth penalty goals.
And because the high level of opponents too. So average 15 goals the next 10 years. Then we have 150.

212 minus 150 goals about the age of 31 = 62 goals left

So 62 goals from 31-35 = 32,33,34, 35 = 4 x 15 = 60 goals

It might happen. Average 15 goals each season. If the level of the top 6 drops over the next 10 years. Easy opponents in champion league. And to be more optimist like average 20 + minus each season. Its a really hard task. Because of RAshford isolate skills. He is not far from Rooney finishing skills. If Rashford can consitent be really sharp and clinical infront of goals. Without the penalties. I think and belief he should be good for around 20 goals each season. Like 17 or 18 goals in some season and 22-23 in others season.

But last thing of all. He has to stay at Old Trafford his whole career. Rooney did, even he return to Everton and Join USA. He has to stay, if not we can just forget about this cabal and math to go up. Its main condition :D

So from my personal point of view. Again its hard task. But not impossible. Not even close to that. Its a realistic goal. But again. Rooney was so clinical and sharp infront of goal. A natural goalscorer who had everything. A complete football player. Because of his body type. He reach the complete level as much as he could. But if Rashford stay and play for United the next 14-15 years. Regular over that period. Yeah i think he would reach it. If not. Its maybe because of the factors and things i have mentioned compared to Rooney career. But Rashford does have that exciting factor with him. Kind of player peoples want and love to watch. Beside scoring goals. He always work hard and has the skills too.

But i have tips too RAshford. Save the energy by not pressing aggression alone up there. And stay more often in the box. United should have good enough midfield player to open up opponent teams and give you the best support up there. As a main striker, you get to be in the box most of the time. Like your goals in debuts and in your early matches. Not every striker and player have the ability. Be at the right place and right time. And that is in the box. I wish you good luck boy;)

P.S dont reply to me comment. Because im not into discussion. Personal point of view discussion will never end;)

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But about my post/this post. If a player always remind himself, that are always others puzzles/factors in a bigger and total pictures, which is scoring alot of goals to help the team winning. Then he will keeps his feets on the ground. Contra if a player just its all up to him. Sorry like Mourinho sometime. You will meet the wall and struggle. Have the right view will help to keep your ego down. If not, it can be hard for peoples around you too. Right views is the key to keep beeing grounded.

And if United gonna win premier league again. Im sure the factors top teammates has to goes top = top quality teammates are maybe on theirs way to Old Trafford and thats again will help your performances.
Because simply math = its easier to score goals in a winning dominate team, than for a team that were struggling. And United as a team did struggled in the years after Sir Alex.
So Rooney started playing for a dominate winning team, but ended up playing for a struggling United team.
Compare to Rashford. He start playing and debut for a struggling United team. But who knows when he end his career. Maybe for a dominating team. Top service and support, at the age of 35. Like Sheringham?Playing for a treble champion team. The goals will keep coming.

Football is a teamsport, so your personal success depend a lot on others puzzles/factors, that makes the bigger pictures. Team success and your success.
what does this even mean?
 

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Was just reading through some of the comments on here. People saying he is better than Rooney, comparable to Ronaldo. Just wow. Nowhere near the level that those two guys were at that age, nor do I think he will hit the heights of those two. That being said he is young and still developing, and excited to have him around.
 

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he's a great talent but he's not a Rooney level talent. Rooney scored 17 goals in his first season with us at the age of 19. Can't see it happening.
 

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He has played a lot of games already at 21 (150??).

I think he has to watch that he doesn't go the way of Michael Owen, rather than Wayne Rooney.

Luckily, he seems to have a good body for football.
Apparently being overplayed wasn't Michael Owen's real problem. His dad and brothers had the similar problems so it ran in the family.
 

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Yes he can. Provided he scores consistently and remains the club's first choice for years, I can see him breaking the record. 20 goals in all competitions per season is not that tough for a top team's first choice striker. He will need luck and consistency.
 

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He has played a lot of games already at 21 (150??).

I think he has to watch that he doesn't go the way of Michael Owen, rather than Wayne Rooney.

Luckily, he seems to have a good body for football.
150 games but alot as substitute
 

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Baby steps at a time though. Can he become our highest scorer this season ? The likes of Ole and almost all players take this one game at a time but we want to look 10 years into the future. A bad injury could just as well derail this (Im hoping it doesnt and he remains a healthy athlete for the next 10 years)
 

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That's not true at all, not even remotely true. It's a yes for few players like Messi, Ronaldo but so many players were nowhere good enough when they were 21.

Lewandowski at 21 was playing in Polish league
Bale scored more than 10 league goals when he was 22-23
Drogba not even sure whether he was pro when he was 21.
Diego Costa at 21 was on world tour going out on loans
Griezmann scored 10 league goals when we was 21
RVP when he was 21 wasn't anywhere as good as when he was 28-29
RVN when was 21 was playing for Heerenveen
Suarez at 21 just joined Ajax
Salah at 21 was at Basel.

It's not true at all. Players always improve and so many great players were playing in poor leagues when they were young or weren't as good.
Comparing their career trajectories really does not do these players justice, given that Rashford would have probably just be on his way to a big league had he been born in Uruguay/Poland/Egypt/whatever.

I watched a lot of Bale/Griezmann/Salah at that age, you could see, for each and every one of them that there was something special that is yet to really come out. As I said, I do expect Rashford to become a very very good player, just not exactly the same class as the ones you mentioned. Let's hope I am wrong.
 

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Comparing their career trajectories really does not do these players justice, given that Rashford would have probably just be on his way to a big league had he been born in Uruguay/Poland/Egypt/whatever.

I watched a lot of Bale/Griezmann/Salah at that age, you could see, for each and every one of them that there was something special that is yet to really come out. As I said, I do expect Rashford to become a very very good player, just not exactly the same class as the ones you mentioned. Let's hope I am wrong.
It's just near impossible to judge how the players careers go. Like I said and gave so many examples to show that. Rashford has shown lot of promise to believe he will be a top player.
 

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Rooney has 253 goals. Rashford has 41. He will need another 212 goals.

If he can last another 10 years scoring ~21 goals a season he can. It could be done, especially if he has some seasons where he scores more (but he could also have seasons with less). It's difficult to say at this point really.
Seriously if this is the case, then we'll rule the premierleague for another 10 years or so...
 

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Way too early for that kind of talk. Rashford is in great form, but lets see if he can score 20 goals in consecutive seasons first. He's not on Rooney's level as a talent, which is no insult to Rashford, but Rooney is probably the most naturally talented English player since Gazza. I think it's a long shot to say he'll surpass the record, given that the previous one stood for about 40 years.
 

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he's a great talent but he's not a Rooney level talent. Rooney scored 17 goals in his first season with us at the age of 19. Can't see it happening.
Rashers scoring rate is around the same levels as Rooney after 150 games.

Plus Rooney played in a much more attacking team.


It was his 41st goal for the club, with Ronaldo having registered 25 times and Rooney 45 times after 150 games. Rashford is the youngest of the trio to reach the number of appearances.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ano-ronaldo-level-150-games-manchester-united
 

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Seriously if this is the case, then we'll rule the premierleague for another 10 years or so...
21 goals total isn't tooooo much for a good striker. Kane scored 41 last season, Lukaku 27, Sterling 23, Vardy 23
 

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Only one of those matches was a real measure. The rest were against, objectively weak teams. The mark of a striker isn't how many goals he can score against teams we should be overpowering. It's, what he does when he is facing talent equal to or greater than our own.

Are you telling me that on the balance of their body of work, you wouldn't take Mbappe or Kane over Rashford? Right now? That is the level we should be striving for. If Rashford can reach that? Great. So far, he hasn't shown any indication that he will reach that. Show me a 25-30+ goal season, and I will buy into him being world class. It's not for lack of opportunity. He's featured for us for several seasons now.
The man gets it done against big teams, we all know that. What we needed from him is consistency and that's what he's giving us atm. What's up with people acting like you play big teams every weekend, you don't.

Those players are impossible to obtain, and no player that looks like reaching those levels is available either. In fact, no player looks more likely to reach that level than Rashford. As I said, you can name a more in form striker in the league and that's saying alot.
 

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21 goals total isn't tooooo much for a good striker. Kane scored 41 last season, Lukaku 27, Sterling 23, Vardy 23
Especially in this era of attack attack attack. Mind you, Rooney didn't play as a 9 most of his career. People also forget that he wasn't our main scorer most of his time here which Rashford could prove to be.
 

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Anything is possible now.

If Rashford kick on and becomes an unstoppable goal machine, he will score 30-40 goals a season and he will eventually come close to that record.

35 goals x 9 season = 315 goals.

I believe in him. :drool:
 

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But this is hard to predict, if United were to build an attack on one 35 goal striker, who would you rather choose?

Rashford or Martial?

Because over the years we saw great successful teams with one 40+ goals forward: Messi, Ronaldo, Kane, Suarez, Lewandowski, Ibra, Cavani, list goes on.
 

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Anything is possible now.

If Rashford kick on and becomes an unstoppable goal machine, he will score 30-40 goals a season and he will eventually come close to that record.

35 goals x 9 season = 315 goals.

I believe in him. :drool:
Good post mate. Full of positivity and I especially like the maths :drool:
 
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Well to do that he would have to do something that is extremely uncommon in todays football. Stay with the club for most of his career. It does happen, but we also know that Real Madrid like to buy anyone that scores goals.

Personally I don't see Rashford as a type of forward that will generate a huge amount of goals night in and night out. To me he'll be a steady workhorse that can score 20'ish a season, but other than that he'll be an absolute best that makes the other forwards around him better, and increase their production as well.
 
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Interesting. However, it’s more of a generalised view that young players will play lots of games and not get much time off. Nothing to do with Rashford specifically.
 

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A lot of players who get their start early do run out of steam earlier than normal but not always. For every Rooney or Owen, there is a Ronaldo or Milner at the other end of the spectrum.

I think the biggest factor is genetics. We won't know until the time comes if his body will hold up past 30.
 

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Lets wait for him to have a few high scoring seasons, like Kane. So 20+ goals then we can talk about him being our record goal scorer.
 

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By the time of the end of the season Ronaldo was 21 he had made 170 professional appearances. (Of which 137 were for United). I know that Ronaldo is a superb athlete but if Rashford stays relatively injury free and looks after himself maybe he could he could going playing for quite a bit longer than Allardyce thinks.
Also Ryan Giggs made at least 157 appearences for United before his 21st birthday. Although I am well aware that was a different era.
 

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By the time of the end of the season Ronaldo was 21 he had made 170 professional appearances. (Of which 137 were for United). I know that Ronaldo is a superb athlete but if Rashford stays relatively injury free and looks after himself maybe he could he could going playing for quite a bit longer than Allardyce thinks.
Also Ryan Giggs made at least 157 appearences for United before his 21st birthday. Although I am well aware that was a different era.
Yes, advances in sports science were no where near the level they are now. Giggs also looked after himself impeccably as he got older (and was getting a a regular shag, to boot).
 

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Out of interest, does anyone think Kane WONT at least get close to Shearers PL record?

8 more goals and he halfway there.

Rashford in a team that's attacking and creating chances can bag plenty of goals in all comps.
This one's interesting. He's on course to get there, but I've seen a lot of Spurs fans talking about his injuries - apparently he keeps getting ankle injuries, and they're seriously worried he's being overplayed
 

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Yes, advances in sports science were no where near the level they are now. Giggs also looked after himself impeccably as he got older (and was getting a a regular shag, to boot).
I read somewhere that when he did yoga towards the end of his career that helped him out a lot. Do you think this may be something that could help other players prolong their careers?
 

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people already forget just how bloody great Wayne Rooney was at playing football
 

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I'm so excited about him. He does does remind me of Ronaldo in some ways when he first started to really make an impact. He's beginning to produce goals out of nothing on his own, he's bulked up a bit and his lay-offs and hold up play have really improved. Got confidence in spades too and that venomous shot he's got in his locker :drool:
 

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Rooney has 253 goals.
Rashford has 41. He will need another 212 goals to equal and 213 goals to match Rooney's record.

If we assume the following scoring record...

Rest of this season 2018-2019 - 8 goals
2019-2020 18 goals
2020-2021 17 goals
2021-2022 19 goals
2022-2023 26 goals
2023-2024 23 goals
2024-2025 19 goals
2025-2026 24 goals
2026-2027 17 goals
2027-2028 16 goals
2028-2029 14 goals
2029-2030 9 goals
2030-2031 - transfer to Salford City

then no I am afraid he will score 251 goals which is 2 short of equalling Rooney's record.
 

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Can We shut up when it comes into over hyping our own players? :lol:

Haven't We learned anything? Cleverley was to be the next Paul Scholes, Janujaz the next Ryan Giggs, Jones the next Duncan Edwards, the list goes on. Rashford is very, very good based on the last several matches. But let's not over hype him or any other players.
I would have loved to see what Januzaj could have become under a manager like Fergie. When he first came to United it seemed like he had the talent to be absolutely world class but I felt Van Gaal stifled his natural creativity (much like he did to Di Maria).
 

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I'm so excited about him. He does does remind me of Ronaldo in some ways when he first started to really make an impact. He's beginning to produce goals out of nothing on his own, he's bulked up a bit and his lay-offs and hold up play have really improved. Got confidence in spades too and that venomous shot he's got in his locker :drool:
I think the bit in bold is good. I read somewhere it was beginning of last season that he came in 2 weeks early before pre-season as he thought that he needed to work on bulking out, Dwight Yorke who shares the same gym says about it in this in this Article although a bit old .
"Well I have to say he comes to the same gym as mine and two weeks ago I’ve seen him in the gym and I thought to myself, ‘That’s a bit early to come back for a young man" "He just showed the desire, he wanted to get ahead of everyone and for me that stood out straight away.
I liked the attitude at the time as it shows he is willing to put in a bit of personal sacrifice to enhance his career.