They have to be looking at someone else. Coman, Gnarby, Davies and Hudson-Odoi can not be their winger options next season.
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Isn't the £40m like £20m and the rest add-ons? So not that expensive really. Sancho's value's risen to £80m+ in a year. From the little I've seen of CHO he's not as natural as Sancho is, but he does have talent and being 18 with the right mindset he can improve a lot.
Why not? They cannot make another big money signing for the winger position because they need to give those guys a pathway into the first team. Dunno about Davies, but Coman, Gnabry and CHO are easily good enough to become starters.
Bayern will invest heavily into their defence in the summer, with Pavard already signed and Lucas Hernandez being confirmed as a target. Both Boateng and Hummels may be on the way out.
But, they should be trying to make a Pavard type signing for the winger position. Someone who is still young but, ready to contribute right away. Since Coman is the only one who is definitely good enough but, has had a lot of problems with injuries. One of the PSV's wingers or someone like Nicolas Pepe from Lille would make a lot more sense.
Gnabry is that guy. He is a starter for Germany. He scored 10 and assisted 7 in 22 matches last season.
He is also injury prone, but I don‘t see how some winger from Eredivisie is more of a sure thing than a guy who scored double digits in the league they are competing in. Wasn‘t Depay the last winger from PSV who tried to establish himself at a top club?
I'll be disappointed if Chelsea sell him, one of the most exciting talents we've produced but his head has been turned. He probably sees RLC already 22/23 and still relatively on the fringes of the team, he probably thinks he can't just sit on his hands for 3-4 years waiting for his chance. I can also see this CHO thing turning into a Pogba situation. He grows a lot and moves back to Chelsea for an insane amount of money. If he chooses to move to Germany, he'll grow a lot as a player. Not only in physical attributes, or technicals, but also in match intelligence, wit and tactical understanding. I've always maintained that Bundesliga is one of the best leagues to become an astute footballer -- its very physical, but the tactical side is always present, and given how open the Bundesliga table spots 3 to 15 are, every weekend is a difficult challenge. Go forth young man! Good luck to him.
Bayern rarely lose their top players. If he succeeds there he is staying for the long term
He'll hand in a transfer request and move back to London to rejoin his family
Yeah I guess we can just assume every winger from PSV will end up like Depay(who is actually having a good career). Since it seems Bayern are just assuming another young winger from England will end up just like Sancho.
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This is going to set a weird precedent regardless of what happens.
What’s the big deal with this guy? Is he really that good?
He's a really talented player that comes from the golden generation of England. He was one of the stars for his age group that included Sancho, Foden, etc...
I generally don’t think there’s many win-win transfers, but this could well be one, especially if it’s done in the summer window. On face value anyway...
Chelsea: are getting good money for someone who isn’t one of their starters, and have brought in Pulisic, who will probably be a mandated starter. Plus HG youth really isn’t part of their philosophy.
Bayern: are getting someone they believe can be a regular starter or at least compete with their existing stable - and have put in a solid succession plan to replace ribery/robben.
CHO: is getting a chance to be a regular first teamer, and probably a hefty pay rise.
I don’t see it as a big drama, as in a sense all 3 parties are taking a risk. It could just as easily go down the Januzaj route as it could the Sancho. It’s very hard to predict the future - moreso w 18yo with little game time.
Chelsea: are getting good money for someone who isn’t one of their starters, and have brought in Pulisic, who will probably be a mandated starter. Plus HG youth really isn’t part of their philosophy.
Bayern: are getting someone they believe can be a regular starter or at least compete with their existing stable - and have put in a solid succession plan to replace ribery/robben.
CHO: is getting a chance to be a regular first teamer, and probably a hefty pay rise.
I don’t see it as a big drama, as in a sense all 3 parties are taking a risk. It could just as easily go down the Januzaj route as it could the Sancho. It’s very hard to predict the future - moreso w 18yo with little game time.
Well how do you think scouting works then!? Only paid that much for Depay because of Ruud! I'm joking!
Is he really? How much more of a chance is he going to have over there with Coman, Gnabry, Ribery, Robben, Davies and Mueller as options for wide areas? That's why I find this a bit weird. Arguably he has a better chance getting game time with Willian and Pedro. I understand he probably just doesn't trust Chelsea but I would have looked to go to other German teams like leipzig etc.
You have some funny ideas.
Although it’s fair to say that his higher resale value to English clubs will be a factor in Bayern’s economic assessment of the player.
Either Hudson-Odoi will stay with Chelsea accepting the crazy wages they offered to a player who has rarely played in their first team or Bayern are going to pay 30 million plus for a player who has barely played first team football and whose contract expires in 18 months.
Rashford played in 19 games, all comps, in his debut season (when he same age as CHO is now). Alexander-Arnold played 12.
It's only January, Chelsea are still in all comps and CHO has 9 games already. Provided he does not leave or get injured he'll get close to Rashfords number of games.
Deli Alli did play more than 30 games at the same age, it was in the third tier of football for MK Dons though.
Wilshire did play an awful lot at a young age nearly a decade ago to be fair. So did Michael Owen. Both were physically finished by their late 20s.
Edit: stats from Transfermarkt. If they're wrong blame them!
Of course Chelsea's record of giving kids a chance is awful, just not with this one player.
After his league debut then.
In 3 to 5 years, he will be the best english player and will eclipse sancho, he has that perfect balance which is very rare and is hallmark of great players. But only if he has the desire to work hard to fulfill his potential.
Ribery and Robben are gone after this season, and who knows how many days they will be fit in their last few months (they are both out right now). Müller is now only an RW in case of emergency. If we get CHO, we'll have 4 players for the two wings in Coman, Gnabry, Davies, and CHO. That's not exactly a huge excess of players.
how good is this kid?
Why are Bayern trying to do the transfer this way? It seems almost certain to me they've been in touch with the lads family before approaching us and also asked him to put a request in. Could get him in the summer without the hassle. Who is in charge of transfers?
I could be wrong, Roman is unlikely to respond well to this kind of behaviour. Wouldn't surprise me if we hold him till the summer now and try to sell him to pretty much anyone else if he won't stay, even if it's for less money.
Can see what he's like with our previous business, players who treat him and the club with respect, Matic, Cech and others going to rivals. Players who get on the wrong side watch out, the most extreme example being Mutu whose case is still going, and owes us his £15m transfer fee.
Yeah would make Chelsea look great to other talents around the world. If you don't get the opportunity to play and still a club comes and offers a ridiculous amount of money to sign you even though you haven't proven yourself, Chelsea would do everything to destroy your career.... No, wouldn't be smart move tbh.
He would still get opportunities with us, and to move in the summer.
Sets a bad precedent if we let our young players be "tapped up" and force transfers like this. He could be worth 3-4 times the transfer amount if he developed like Rashford, Mbappe etc.
Anyway like I said, I am fairly certain this would be dealt with by Mr A and not entirely predictable what he will do.
It seems an odd move for a club like Bayern. Could there be bad blood from the Ballack move? Why the hurry to get him mid season when we have no way of replacing?
Doesn't really make sense to me.
How can Chelsea possibly destroy his career?
He's an 18-year old kid, this is his debut season as part of the first team squad. He's been with the club since he was 8 and now after several months of the first team experience he all of a sudden decides to hand in a transfer request? CHO's got a year-and-a-half left on his contract and nobody owes him anything. Clearly he was tapped up and had his head turned by Bayern and Chelsea's poor record of integrating youth into a first team isn't helping, but just because Sancho did so well at Dortmund doesn't mean he'll do just as well. For every Sancho there are dozens and dozens of talented youngsters touted to be the next Messi or Ronaldo and then you never hear about them again.
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Sorry I was more referring to your idea that they are signing him because they think because he’s English he’ll be as good as Sancho. It’s a ludicrous idea.
The Germans have been following young England players with a keen interest for a number of years as they recognise the improvements in young player development here, the potential to develop them in Germany and sell them for high price given the terrible record English sides have at giving them opportunities recently.
The head of Monchengladbach’s academy specifically singled out the 2000 age group as being especially remarkable before they won the 17s World Cup. He said that every single player in the squad was one they’d want to sign. Remember that this age group went to Germany and beat their counterparts 8-1 a couple of years ago. Hudson-Odoi is recognised by most that follow youth football of being among the elite of that World Cup winning group.
I didn't say they destroy his career right now. This was in context to the previous poster.
Just a question of time until FIFA bring out the slavery card, you dont want that.
He has just turned 18 so on ine part, what is the panic. Is he really good enough to be playing every game? Definetly not. Saying that i would have done the same if i was at chelsea. That club has never given youth a chance largely because of Romans constant need for instant success. This puts tge managers under real pressure to buy stars or established players pushing the younger ones further down. The list is plentiful of them, blame the managers if you wish but this is a club issue too. The amount of players the have out on loan and the talent they lost. KdB, lukaku, salah are the most notiable ones. I am sure CHO knows he wont be a regular ar Bayern but he will for sure know he has a better chance of breaking into that first team. The German league is a great place to learn for a young english player so as a united and england fan, i fully back his decision.
He is not ready to start every game. What does he think Bayern will offer in terms of game time that we wont. There will be even more pressure to perform at Bayern. Imagine being 18 and handing in a transfer request. Bye bye!
When do Bayern ever actually put their hand in their pocket and spend money?
They loaned the Madrid outcast Rodriguez and that's their biggest signing in about 5 years.
How Bayern plus their fans masquerade around pretending to be a top club in the world is beyond me.
They loaned the Madrid outcast Rodriguez and that's their biggest signing in about 5 years.
How Bayern plus their fans masquerade around pretending to be a top club in the world is beyond me.
Gnabry played in the EPL and barely done anything.
Suddenly in the German league he's a world beater and signed for Bayern. Just because he is young, fast, and signed for cheap from the other dross in the league like usual.
Probably says more about the quality of the German league than Gnabry's quality IMO.
It's going to be really satisfying watching Bayern fade back into obscurity when Man Utd rise back up.
I think we should have go in and make a cheeky £40m bid.
We're short of a right winger and I think someone like him would fit in well here.
We're short of a right winger and I think someone like him would fit in well here.
They are in fairness. It’s just worked bloody well for them. When you’re the biggest name in the country by far you can afford to be a bit cheap. They convinced the best striker in the Bundesliga who played for their only rival to run down his contract and join them on a free. The year after they did the same thing with their best attacking midfielder.
When you can do that, why spend ludicrous amounts of money?
Hoping the transfer request is rejected as there aren't many days left to find a replacement and that he gets more game time during the second half of the season (and being involved in more league games rather than most of the minutes coming in cup games). Definitely think it's time for the club to move on from Willian and Pedro who have served the club well, but whose best days are behind them. I consider all three of Pedro, Willian, and Hudson-Odoi to have about the same impact on our play, and I'd much rather gamble on the development of Hudson-Odoi, and hopefully convince him that he'll be given the chance to nail down a starting spot, than primarily keep playing two wingers who will probably need replacing the coming summer anyway.
Think the club is at a bit of a crossroads here; previously when we've let young, promising players go the way to the starting XI was generally longer for them. De Bruyne for example was competing with Hazard, Mata, Oscar (and I guess to some extent Schürrle as well) and later there was a similar situation with Salah. In such cases it's understandable that some players get sold and unfortunately for us they made our rivals stronger. This case is a bit different as two of our wingers in contention of a starting spot will need to be replaced sooner rather than later and the third one is going to be entering the last year of his contract with Real Madrid seemingly being interested. If a youth player who has done everything right and, in my opinion, has the same impact as Willian and Pedro isn't allowed a proper run of games in the team, then who is? Especially with the circumstances mentioned above.
I'm normally strongly againt boards interfering with the team selection, but in this case I wouldn't be opposed to a little nudge from above asking Sarri to favour Hudson-Odoi in the league ahead of Willian and Pedro.
And we definitely need to stop making signings of senior players who get very limited play time. I'm sure we would've been fine had, for instance, Drinkwater's 520 league minutes been given to someone from our own ranks.
Think the club is at a bit of a crossroads here; previously when we've let young, promising players go the way to the starting XI was generally longer for them. De Bruyne for example was competing with Hazard, Mata, Oscar (and I guess to some extent Schürrle as well) and later there was a similar situation with Salah. In such cases it's understandable that some players get sold and unfortunately for us they made our rivals stronger. This case is a bit different as two of our wingers in contention of a starting spot will need to be replaced sooner rather than later and the third one is going to be entering the last year of his contract with Real Madrid seemingly being interested. If a youth player who has done everything right and, in my opinion, has the same impact as Willian and Pedro isn't allowed a proper run of games in the team, then who is? Especially with the circumstances mentioned above.
I'm normally strongly againt boards interfering with the team selection, but in this case I wouldn't be opposed to a little nudge from above asking Sarri to favour Hudson-Odoi in the league ahead of Willian and Pedro.
And we definitely need to stop making signings of senior players who get very limited play time. I'm sure we would've been fine had, for instance, Drinkwater's 520 league minutes been given to someone from our own ranks.
Similar situation to Pogba really. He believes he’s ready for first team football every week, the club isn’t.
Chelsea won’t like it but this should be a wake up call. Before the Bayern news broke CHO hardly had a sniff.
If they’re serious about keeping their young talents they need to stop blocking their paths with the new fancy thing.
They’ve got no choice but to sell him really as they’ll only lose him on a free.
Chelsea won’t like it but this should be a wake up call. Before the Bayern news broke CHO hardly had a sniff.
If they’re serious about keeping their young talents they need to stop blocking their paths with the new fancy thing.
They’ve got no choice but to sell him really as they’ll only lose him on a free.
Well Robben and Ribery will be leaving at the end of the season and the amount they've offered suggests they see him as a probable starter rather than someone who hasn't been trusted to make more than one appearance in the league cup and who hasn't even been playing in the league until after the rumours of Bayern being interested in him started.
I think this is where Chelsea fecked up and the main reason he wants to leave and fully justified imo.