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He seems on the verge of scoring a Messiesque goal by beating 4-5 defenders. His dribbling has significantly improved and he trusts himself more now.
Black Africans and Arabs are not really judged in the same way though. Salah and Mahrez are completely irrelevant to the discussion.Your's is a lazy comment then because Mahrez was also born in France.
I admit that I thought Kante was born in Africa and included Mahrez even though I knew he was born in France because he chose to represent an African country at international level.
I do humbly apologise for my egregious transgression though.
He’s a lot better than Pedro in terms of talent but I generally agree with this sentiment. He’s very fortunate to be playing in a set up and under a manager who can extract his qualities to the absolute maximum. I also loved him in the Rodgers Liverpool set up in a free role where he was even more exciting to watch than he is now but yes for England he’s good but not close to the level he shows for City.He's basically Guardiola's new Pedro IMO.
A reasonably talented player that is maximised by his team and coach's tactics to play beyond his limits. Under a different team and tutelage, his output wouldn't quite be the same.
I find this a weird comment because although you don't intend to, you are attacking the character of Kante in a serious way without, as far as I can see, any grounds to do so. You essentially calling a race traitor on the count of him having character traits that would be admired in any person.Black Africans and Arabs are not really judged in the same way though. Salah and Mahrez are completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Kanté is the kind of black athlete/celebrity that the white world lionises because he's hard working, humble and conforms to what they want black people to be. He's the antithesis of the "uppity negro" Pogba that the white mainstream loves to hate.
It's no attack on Kanté. I doubt he tailors his personality and playing style for the benefit of white people any more than Pogba does. It's just that Kanté happens to be the exact kind of black public figure that the mainstream feels comfortable with.I find this a weird comment because although you don't intend to, you are attacking the character of Kante in a serious way without, as far as I can see, any grounds to do so. You essentially calling a race traitor on the count of him having character traits that would be admired in any person.
Regardless, I don't think Sterling or Pogba would be overlooked for top awards because of their race + personality(?) if they played well enough to win them. Lets face it, Pogba hasn't come anywhere close to playing that well. Sterling has done better but has not really been that close to winning POTY (Salah was comfortably better last year). He might this year if he can keep this up.It's no attack on Kanté. I doubt he tailors his personality and playing style for the benefit of white people any more than Pogba does. It's just that Kanté happens to be the exact kind of black public figure that the mainstream feels comfortable with.
We should question your eyes then.Still don't think that he's one of the very best (I mean top-3) players in the league. It's a similar situation with Salah last year, when everything says that he's an absolutely top notch but my eyes tell me different story — I'd take Hazard over them any day. He improved significantly under Guardiola, but I don't think that he's really special in anything — just a very good and well-rounded attacking player, who is playing in a well-oiled attacking machine.
Definitely a top-2 English player today, no argument here, even though I'd prefer Kane for the top spot for his international career and better consistency over the last few seasons.
Constructive criticism, I like it. Do you rate them alongside Neymar and Hazard?We should question your eyes then.
I rate your eyes above Neymar, for sure.Constructive criticism, I like it. Do you rate them alongside Neymar and Hazard?
I just don't think English people in general like brash personalities like Pogba. I don't think its race related, we just prefer players who are humble and down to earth. There are a few exceptions (Beckham) but generally the media loves the more 'honest' players, the Scott Parker or Kante's of this world.Black Africans and Arabs are not really judged in the same way though. Salah and Mahrez are completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Kanté is the kind of black athlete/celebrity that the white world lionises because he's hard working, humble and conforms to what they want black people to be. He's the antithesis of the "uppity negro" Pogba that the white mainstream loves to hate.
Probably the shitest tweet I've ever had the displeasure to read, what a shock it's from an Arsenal fan.disregarding the inflammatory language used in this tweet, i agree with the overall sentiment:
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Sterling is a special, special player.
Would be absolute madness to drop Kane. He's a perfect lone striker with his skill set.Can you imagine a front three of Sterling, Sancho and Rashford.
Of course he wouldn't do it but i personally think those three would be better as a trio than any of them would be with Kane.Would be absolute madness to drop Kane. He's a perfect lone striker with his skill set.
Who is saying otherwise? Sterling is clearly fantastic, but he scores a few more goals than Kane in a team who currently have 20 more goals than us in the league, and suddenly Kane is a fraud because of that? Please.at some point you gotta stop hiding behind "plays with better players". Sterling's brilliance makes him a standout even at City.
Why? Kane's ability to bring players like Sterling/Sancho in to play with his fantastic passing range and hold up play would be immense. We've already seen that for England vs Spain where he was incredible and provided 2 marvellous assists for Sterling and Rashford.Of course he wouldn't do it but i personally think those three would be better as a trio than any of them would be with Kane.
you seem rattled. i did say the inflammatory language of the tweet should be disregarded but i do agree with the overall sentiment that Sterling is the best english player.Who is saying otherwise? Sterling is clearly fantastic, but he scores a few more goals than Kane in a team who currently have 20 more goals than us in the league, and suddenly Kane is a fraud because of that? Please.
Nobody is hiding behind anything, it's just a fact that City create and score more than we do. Does anyone seriously believe if you took Aguero out for Kane in this City side he wouldn't score more than he does at Spurs?
Sterling's miraculous goalscoring record doesn't seem to carry over to internationals, whereas Kane is able to keep it up outside of his club system. That's just another fact, it doesn't necessarily mean anything on its own because sometimes players just don't do well for their country, but it certainly suggests that Sterling is being boosted by playing for the best attacking side in the country.
I think it would offer more attacking fluidity and be more enjoyable to watch. Kane is of course a brilliant player and striker and i'm not trying to discredit him either, it's just a personal preference.Why? Kane's ability to bring players like Sterling/Sancho in to play with his fantastic passing range and hold up play would be immense. We've already seen that for England vs Spain where he was incredible and provided 2 marvellous assists for Sterling and Rashford.
He does that brilliantly for Spurs too, holds it up and then sprays balls to the likes of Son, Lucas, Alli etc, or out wide to our fullbacks.
The pace and fluidity of a front three of Sancho, Rashford and Sterling, if they clicked, could be devastating and far more difficult to deal with than with Kane as a focal point. No chance of it ever getting tested though.Why? Kane's ability to bring players like Sterling/Sancho in to play with his fantastic passing range and hold up play would be immense. We've already seen that for England vs Spain where he was incredible and provided 2 marvellous assists for Sterling and Rashford.
He does that brilliantly for Spurs too, holds it up and then sprays balls to the likes of Son, Lucas, Alli etc, or out wide to our fullbacks.
In your opinion.you seem rattled. i did say the inflammatory language of the tweet should be disregarded but i do agree with the overall sentiment that Sterling is the best english player.
kane will be alright, he's a good player, sterling he's just clear of him as the best english player.
Nope, not for me. Kane's a total nightmare to deal with for defenders, his hold up play is world class .. he thrives when he has movement around him so with Sancho/Sterling either side they'd be living the dream. Rashford is a massive threat in behind but he's nowhere close to being as complete or polished a striker as Kane, and he's not as much of a goal threat either. It seems like people have forgotten Kane's quality because he's been injured and moved on to the flavour of the month.The pace and fluidity of a front three of Sancho, Rashford and Sterling, if they clicked, could be devastating and far more difficult to deal with than with Kane as a focal point. No chance of it ever getting tested though.
He hasn't, but neither has Kane tbh for England. Sterling has put in strong solo performances though - e.g. when City faced Barca in Pep's first season. Defo has room to improve for England, but I think a trio of Sterling - Kane - Sancho will put less pressure on Sterling.As a German supporter, I'd be more afraid of Kane than Sterling. I still think Sterling is a by product of playing in a fantastic City team and, like Sane, would not be as dangerous is a less cohesive team. Kane though seems a natural finisher and I would be more fearful of him creating a shot out of nothing than Sterling creating a chance out of nothing.
I don't think Sterling has been impressive for England thus far as well.
Kane hardly set the world on fire at the world cup. Plenty of United legends, some heralded as the best ever in their respective positions in the Prem, didn't really have the best International career.How can you possibly be the best English player when you cant even perform for England? Despite what some say, he was shocking at the World Cup and while he's a great player in City's system, he's still not anywhere near the class of Kane. England would be far better playing Kane, Rashford and Sancho than relying on Sterling who has shown nothing in an England Kit.
Same for France with Martial, Mbappé and Dembélé. Pace, skills..Can you imagine a front three of Sterling, Sancho and Rashford.
Of course you do.creating chances is literally what Sterling does
i have a feeling soon Rashford will be clear of Kane too
Because it's not balanced. France also played Giroud throughout the entire world cup just so they were able to have a player who could hold up the ball and lay it off to the faster players around him.Same for France with Martial, Mbappé and Dembélé. Pace, skills..
But Kane like Griezmann are too good to be on the bench even if those front three are more exciting.
this thread was created in november last year, i hold the same opinion i held then. Sterling is a better player than Kane.Of course you do.
Brave of you to express all of this while Kane is injured so he can't make you look silly.