Seven Seas Sardines
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He didn't have to do either interview nor post-match press conference? Where are the videos??
He did the presser, it's on YouTube. Nothing noteworthy, mind.He didn't have to do either interview nor post-match press conference? Where are the videos??
"Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit."
Yeah I'd rather have a manager that's not stupid enough to play open against City away and get trashed 6-0even worse if you turned up with the intention of keeping the score down and still end up losing.
It's better than a false dawn. If 6-0 exposes who's not.good enough to play his style so be it. Sometimes you must take a step back to go forward. As crazy as it sounds.There's plenty of issues in this sentence I don't know how you actually went and wrote it, and nope, getting 0-6 in big game isn't something that "happens". Even on their best days in order for City to defeat a big team 6-0 it means the team has loads of issues and is fecked up.
Pretty much all this is a good reason to play with a real pivot supporting the weak defense and put good passers upfront supporting the attack. With Jorginho at the back and Kante, you expose your weak defense even more and isolate your limited attackers even more, basically fecking up the entire pitch. It's a clear tactical problem.
He's turning into a clueless idiot.Neville chating shit saying Pep never changed his approach during his first year here.
He literally said himself he did.
Its just excuses for Sarri, why does Gary do this? (When it isn't Arsenal?)
He's also saying teams these days don't have a plan b..I mean..
The problem is you're basing your argument on a point as if it's a fact that this style is good for a big club, or it's definitely going to work if they brought him the players. Well it's not. There's absolutely no indication so far that his style is going to work in the league, and they aren't even good to watch when they have the ball, so there's no reason for Chelsea to endure this tbh.It's better than a false dawn. If 6-0 exposes who's not.good enough to play his style so be it. Sometimes you must take a step back to go forward. As crazy as it sounds.
I get this but again sarri wants to drill his plan A into the team first . It will highlight and seperate clearly who works and who dosent work. Jorginho is safe for him at this stage because the system and style is proven to work with him in it.
The fear is changing it around will leave the team in two different minds and further away from being the finished article- even if it gave better result in the short term. Its important to keep what works and then work around what doesnr work. The problem is nothing is working at all atm. That's why when they asked him about plan B he said he wants Plan A to work first and then think about changing afterwards. It's very possible he could be flexible but it doesn't make sense from his POV to be flexible now because he wants to drill the fundamental idea of his football and conflicting message is counter productive.
If they didn't get these hammerings playing this style during the teething period how would he know what adjustments need to be made or how to take the team forward and which areas to address? Just like pep couldn't play high intensity pressing football with sagna, zabaleta, clichy etc and other deadwood but he had to keep playing the same way because the ones he did plan to keep needed to be well rehearsed in their roles for the next season to hit ground running. Setting up the team in different way would've been very possible to protect these aging defenders but it would've left city further behind in their overall progression the next year.
Anways theres way way more deadwood at chelsea and less players suitdd to his football. Just my thoughts on it.
What part of the tactics actually succeeded in their purpose? None.What part of the tactics made Barkley head the ball back on goal, or made Cesar just concede a penalty?
Epic
No chance. United are not stupid. There will be a non-compete clause in his termination agreement which means he cannot manage until the end of the season.He's a goner.
Jose will go back and do everything in his power to stop United making 4th. A bit like when he was here really.
That's the board problem. If you hire Sari you would have to back his philosophy . If they weren't going to do this there was no point to hire him in the first place. Whilst it didn't win anything it has shown capable of playing very good football and results and napoli did take an upward trajectory under his management. Juve took their best player and the team was even stronger rackjng up 90 points- a club record.The problem is you're basing your argument on a point as if it's a fact that this style is good for a big club, or it's definitely going to work if they brought him the players. Well it's not. There's absolutely no indication so far that his style is going to work in the league, and they aren't even good to watch when they have the ball, so there's no reason for Chelsea to endure this tbh.
When they hired him the reasoning was he's going to play some good football and stick around the top 3-4. 8 months in and they are still boring under Sarri but instead of being boring and winning as in the past they are now boring and losing 4 and 6-0 while dropping to 6th.
So why should Chelsea insist with Sarri's vision while he didn't provide even the basic behind appointing him which is playing good football, while fecking their midfield and alienating their second best player?
Pep has 2 key differences from Sarri :
A) He's a proven winner. He has a fantastic record in leagues and CL prior to City so risking it with him is more understandable than a manager who is his 60 and no big club though of him.
B) Pep actually adapted to the league a lot. He implied his style but tweaked several things for it to work here. Fernandinho is far more aggressive DMF than any of his DMFs in Barca and Bayern, as he realized in PL such position needs more work rate and aggression than good passing or technique while being weak on the ball. It's better to have a strong DMF to cover for your attacking midfield and also, Pep rarely press with the entire team highly in a like he used to do in his previous teams. He always keep some players on the midline now in order to intercept any chance of counter on his team while the attacking players are pressing, which is something possession based teams usually got punished for in England.
Turning into?He's turning into a clueless idiot.
One thing is tactics, the other part is player management and it seems it his here Sarri is lacking. Any idiot can have a tactical plan, but having a plan and having it executed properly are two different things entirely. Pep might be a bit precious, but he has never thrown his player under the bus in the media like Sarri has done. In other words, it is pretty evident the players are not buying the philosophy Sarri is selling and that is a huge problem.That's the board problem. If you hire Sari you would have to back his philosophy . If they weren't going to do this there was no point to hire him in the first place. Whilst it didn't win anything it has shown capable of playing very good football and results and napoli did take an upward trajectory under his management. Juve took their best player and the team was even stronger rackjng up 90 points- a club record.
I would expect most previous Chelsea managers to make better use of the current squad in the short term but but Its too limited to move higher than 4th/5th anyway. I wouldn't expect the same tools that brought success for Mourinho and Conte to be successful for Sarri at all.
Hell even pep had followed another attacking coach in pellegrini at City, spent big money on top of some good players fernandinho one of them , and still flopped in the 1st year winning zilch. Chelsea for now is still in 4 competitions and although I hear everyone talk about the midfield there's nothing factual to back it up. The team finished out of top 4 with Kante in his best position last year so it's their level you could say.
On the comparison between pep and sarri there's not much difference in the fundamenrals of their Football both of them play the positional game, believe in possesion, constant movement and defending the ball not the man- only peps vision was backed by txiki and the owners and together with open chequebook he produced his football. Why else wojld you choose City otherwise? Sarri may or may not win but no-one can tell at this stage. Either the club begins to dispose of the trash and get 4/5 more plyers capable to play a possession based system or sack sarri and revert back to type with defensive manager. The club will decide what direction they want.
But you were telling us at the start of the season that Sarri doesn't believe in transfer market and believes in improving the current players, whatever happened to that?Either the club begins to dispose of the trash and get 4/5 more plyers capable to play a possession based system or sack sarri and revert back to type with defensive manager. The club will decide what direction they want.
Strange how Sarri doesn't seem to have needed 5 transfer windows and 12+ signings to get his team playing something resembling football.
If the manager's job is to improve the the players then he's currently failing massively.Because he doesn't believe in the transfer market. He said its the manager job to improve players and not worry too much about the transfers.
He can apply his philosophy while also tweaking the formation a little bit to suit the league.That's the board problem. If you hire Sari you would have to back his philosophy . If they weren't going to do this there was no point to hire him in the first place. Whilst it didn't win anything it has shown capable of playing very good football and results and napoli did take an upward trajectory under his management. Juve took their best player and the team was even stronger rackjng up 90 points- a club record.
I would expect most previous Chelsea managers to make better use of the current squad in the short term but but Its too limited to move higher than 4th/5th anyway. I wouldn't expect the same tools that brought success for Mourinho and Conte to be successful for Sarri at all.
Hell even pep had followed another attacking coach in pellegrini at City, spent big money on top of some good players fernandinho one of them , and still flopped in the 1st year winning zilch. Chelsea for now is still in 4 competitions and although I hear everyone talk about the midfield there's nothing factual to back it up. The team finished out of top 4 with Kante in his best position last year so it's their level you could say.
On the comparison between pep and sarri there's not much difference in the fundamenrals of their Football both of them play the positional game, believe in possesion, constant movement and defending the ball not the man- only peps vision was backed by txiki and the owners and together with open chequebook he produced his football. Why else wojld you choose City otherwise? Sarri may or may not win but no-one can tell at this stage. Either the club begins to dispose of the trash and get 4/5 more plyers capable to play a possession based system or sack sarri and revert back to type with defensive manager. The club will decide what direction they want.
I lost it when he gave the special shout out to [Irrelevant point] Fake or not, that was a good laugh.
They're not gonna get spanked twice in a row so you'd never know.Am I mad for thinking they're going to beat City in the League Cup final? Maybe on penalties or something.
Happened to Arsenal last seasonThey're not gonna get spanked twice in a row so you'd never know.
They'll get beat 3-0. There's no way they'll get another 6 past them.They're not gonna get spanked twice in a row so you'd never know.
I personally don't hate him, and was happy that he won the FA Cup before he left. But his football was really dire to watch. Utd went through a series of games with zero shots on target in the first half. It's symptomatic of the dire style of play. He and utd just wasn't the right fitI don't get the LVG hate full stop tbh.
Clearly didn't work at United and it was right to move him on, but he won you an FA cup, didn't do so terribly in the league (missed out on 4th by goal difference 2nd season didn't he?) as well as bringing through Rashford and buying Martial.
We wouldn't be allowed to do that unless we were paying his wages.No chance. United are not stupid. There will be a non-compete clause in his termination agreement which means he cannot manage until the end of the season.
That's not how non-compete clauses work hence the nature of the actual term (in Australian law anyway which is based off the English system).We wouldn't be allowed to do that unless we were paying his wages.
Given the sulpherous nature of the man he will have been paid off and signed an NDA.
We can't restrict where he works but we can get him to shut up....until I suspect July 1st when he will royally slag us off I suspect.
Yh I don't think you're far off, it's an issue with the PL in general I feel - that it's harder to implement a possession based game. In recent years you've had LVG, Pep and Sarri come to the PL and struggle to implement their styles in their first seasons. LVG finished 17pts off Chelsea, Pep finished 15pts off Chelsea and Sarri is currently 15pts off Liverpool. LVG refused to adapt, Pep embarked on the big summer blowout where he bought an entire back 5 & B Silva and we're yet to see how Sarri fares but none of them had much luck first season.That's the board problem. If you hire Sari you would have to back his philosophy . If they weren't going to do this there was no point to hire him in the first place. Whilst it didn't win anything it has shown capable of playing very good football and results and napoli did take an upward trajectory under his management. Juve took their best player and the team was even stronger rackjng up 90 points- a club record.
I would expect most previous Chelsea managers to make better use of the current squad in the short term but but Its too limited to move higher than 4th/5th anyway. I wouldn't expect the same tools that brought success for Mourinho and Conte to be successful for Sarri at all.
Hell even pep had followed another attacking coach in pellegrini at City, spent big money on top of some good players fernandinho one of them , and still flopped in the 1st year winning zilch. Chelsea for now is still in 4 competitions and although I hear everyone talk about the midfield there's nothing factual to back it up. The team finished out of top 4 with Kante in his best position last year so it's their level you could say.
On the comparison between pep and sarri there's not much difference in the fundamenrals of their Football both of them play the positional game, believe in possesion, constant movement and defending the ball not the man- only peps vision was backed by txiki and the owners and together with open chequebook he produced his football. Why else wojld you choose City otherwise? Sarri may or may not win but no-one can tell at this stage. Either the club begins to dispose of the trash and get 4/5 more plyers capable to play a possession based system or sack sarri and revert back to type with defensive manager. The club will decide what direction they want.
It's an issue in any league, can't play a high block, high pressing possession style of football without players who are both technically excellent and know the system already tactically.Yh I don't think you're far off, it's an issue with the PL in general I feel - that it's harder to implement a possession based game. In recent years you've had LVG, Pep and Sarri come to the PL and struggle to implement their styles in their first seasons. LVG finished 17pts off Chelsea, Pep finished 15pts off Chelsea and Sarri is currently 15pts off Liverpool. LVG refused to adapt, Pep embarked on the big summer blowout where he bought an entire back 5 & B Silva and we're yet to see how Sarri fares but none of them had much luck first season.
Poor comparison. Kante is a ball winner. Kante doesn’t have to be the deepest midfielder to win the ball.He's doing worse than Emery. At least Emery wouldn't try to play Ozil as a defensive mid, as that's pretty much what Sarri is doing by playing Kante as an attacking mid.
Emery would drop Kante instead?He's doing worse than Emery. At least Emery wouldn't try to play Ozil as a defensive mid, as that's pretty much what Sarri is doing by playing Kante as an attacking mid.
Emery isn't playing Ozil.He's doing worse than Emery. At least Emery wouldn't try to play Ozil as a defensive mid, as that's pretty much what Sarri is doing by playing Kante as an attacking mid.