Peter Schmeichel: United regret we didn't give David Moyes more time

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True. He can't admit to it because he has to portray in the media that it was the club's fault for not giving him enough time. And since people are still debating after 5 years it does seem to work in helping create an image of clubs failure rather than his.
Exactly! If he showed humility and admitted to his failures, he would have a much easier life. Likely he would be forgiven, he would show that he learns from mistakes and demand for his service would increase.
 

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He must have some qualities. Qualtites that were not suited to United but he can't be a clueless dud. I agree he doesn't seem like the guy who can challenge for major trophies though.
Yep, similar qualities that Tony Pulis or Sam Allardyce have. Better than 99% of managers right there, but nowhere good enough for a big club.
 

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It's not mind-boggling. What he se said is sort of what we've all said in that Moyes brought in and all that United experience going out at once was bad and therefor he was never been able to cope in his first year.
A lot of that coaching experience went out the door due to Moyes sacking them. He made many bad decisions like that because he was a bad manager. He wasn't able to cope with pretty much any aspect of the United job because he was a bad manager.

No amount of time would have changed that

Then he's sacked and the same thing is repeated without much thought. Had Moyes been given another year it would have been better than him being sacked and LvG being brought in instead as Moyes would have had learned a ton what he did wrong and built on that.

You can disagree with that and be correct but that doesn't mean it's absolute bollocks. You can't really know that really, similarly to saying that brining in Mourinho would have been better which is a fair guess given the level of experience. What Schmeichel should have been asked by Keys was "wasn't it just wrong to hire Moyes in the first place given how inexperienced he was with running a club like Manchester United". I can imagine Schmeichel agreeing with that but that's me guessing like he did.
Moyes would have built more shit and thats about it, we're lucky someone at the club decided to pull the trigger on Moyes when they did. If anything they waited too long, and this season shows what a positive manager can do.

Say what you want about Van Gaal and i have particularly his poor transfers. But he qualified for the CL and won an FA Cup. Moyes wouldn't have did either of those things.

Much like Mourinho this season Moyes had lost the players and lost the plot. No amount of time was going to turn that around. And it's not like Moyes has went onto other jobs and shown himself to be a great manager who was just unlucky, he's been shit at Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham too.

Whether the Everton job was a fluke or a perfect storm/lucky timing/right man-right place-right time or whatever. He hasn't been able to replicate that at another club because he's just not a good manager.
 

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Whether we broke Moyes or not I dont know but given his managerial career post United it's hard to see any reality in which not sacking him results in a good decision by the club
 

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A lot of that coaching experience went out the door due to Moyes sacking them. He made many bad decisions like that because he was a bad manager. He wasn't able to cope with pretty much any aspect of the United job because he was a bad manager.

No amount of time would have changed that



Moyes would have built more shit and thats about it, we're lucky someone at the club decided to pull the trigger on Moyes when they did. If anything they waited too long, and this season shows what a positive manager can do.

Say what you want about Van Gaal and i have particularly his poor transfers. But he qualified for the CL and won an FA Cup. Moyes wouldn't have did either of those things.

Much like Mourinho this season Moyes had lost the players and lost the plot. No amount of time was going to turn that around. And it's not like Moyes has went onto other jobs and shown himself to be a great manager who was just unlucky, he's been shit at Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham too.

Whether the Everton job was a fluke or a perfect storm/lucky timing/right man-right place-right time or whatever. He hasn't been able to replicate that at another club because he's just not a good manager.
Good post. Moyes ever being good enough for us is a fallacy. His record in the big matches, his trophyless years with everton show that.

And I wish our ex players would shut up about it as Moyes has shown his incompetence at other jobs as well.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/12/01/should-moyes-awful-record-against-top-6-worry-west-ham-fans/

He was a manager at Everton for 11 years and failed to beat the top 4 even once. It puzzles me why he was even chosen to manage us.
 

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He's 100% right, we should have given David Moyes more time.
100% agreed. I think if he had a summer transfer window where he could have improved our team by getting the likes of Jagielka, Cahill, Osman and Pienaar, we would be challenging for a title now. League 1 of course.
 

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Yep, similar qualities that Tony Pulis or Sam Allardyce have. Better than 99% of managers right there, but nowhere good enough for a big club.
All big clubs are not alike though in their philosophy, environment and expectations. I am also inclined to believe Big Sam could be a big hit given a chance at a club that suits him.
 

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A lot of people tend to forget the job LVG did in stripping out the deadwood. He moved on about 11 players that weren't united standard or way past their best. Moyes was giving them extended contracts. We needed LVG straight after SAF. Moyes was a yes man and Fergie was the puppet master.
 

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100% agreed. I think if he had a summer transfer window where he could have improved our team by getting the likes of Jagielka, Cahill, Osman and Pienaar, we would be challenging for a title now. League 1 of course.
You forgot one key player to complete this team. Baines. World class left back we chased all summer to replace the amateur Evra. ;)
 

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A lot of people tend to forget the job LVG did in stripping out the deadwood. He moved on about 11 players that weren't united standard or way past their best. Moyes was giving them extended contracts. We needed LVG straight after SAF. Moyes was a yes man and Fergie was the puppet master.
The biggest problem though is that he replaced deadwood with more deadwood.
 

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Okay, that's it. Our ex players (Ole and several others not included) can shove their bollocks up their arses.

They're all middle-aged (or old) men making a living out of media spot light these days. Not a fan, not a professional either, just a bunch of gobshites with their own agendas.
 

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You forgot one key player to complete this team. Baines. World class left back we chased all summer to replace the amateur Evra. ;)
Ah right, how could I forget him :(
 

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The biggest problem though is that he replaced deadwood with more deadwood.
"My captain will always play". :mad:

Okay. This thread is giving me PTSD. I'm going to bow out now.
 

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I getting more and more convinced that most of our players were/are so oblivious of what real football matters are because of SAF's total control management and father figure attitude. They were living in a bubble created by the great man and his coaching staff.
I think so.
 

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That upheaval isn't a reason why Moyes did badly. Moyes did badly because he is a bad manager, period. He deserved no more time.

LvG won a trophy and atleast gave us a few good moments in big games. He was a terrible manager but did much better than Moyes ever would have even if the latter had been given another year.
This

His subsequent experience bares this out. At te end of the day he didn't make Everton a worse side but he certainly didn't make them any better for all his years in charge.
 

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The biggest problem though is that he replaced deadwood with more deadwood.
I disagree, Daley Blind is Ajax captain and one of their best players this season. Memphis Depay is smashing it at Lyon. We let them go, but kept Young and Valencia? Makes no sense. Herrera was a good signing, and Martial, and he promoted Rashford and Lingard to the first team. Yes, he took a punt on Falcao, and Di Maria, but you would hardly call them deadwood players.
 

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He's 100% right, we should have given David Moyes more time.
In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious.

Giving him the job was worse then SAF retiring. Moyes came in with an impressive (for all the wrong reasons) record of 0 wins in 40+ matches away to Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and United. He played negative boring football at Everton that was his style of play that was never going to change because he became the manager of Manchester United. Unless we ended up with one of the best managers in the world, it needed to be a minimalist some who came in let the club run as it was, keep Mike Phelan as the assistant.
 

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Another year for what? to break his own record of number of crosses?
 

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What are we discussing here? To give Moysey a chance of redemption in summer 2019? He is available, so....
 

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I remember the Moyes season only to well it still sends shivers down my spine it was total utter failure from day 1 in every way possible he lost the players and the fans and there was no way back!

Continuing would have probably led to riots! The grim reaper at the game!

As dark as LVG and Mourinho where, that humiliation was just well.. numbing!

The latter 2 provided some entertainment from time to time with Moyes we where beat before we where on the pitch. Mou’s 3rd season was awful and he’s been deservedly removed but the days of Moyes where soul destroying!

Toast to better times ahead
 

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I remember the Moyes season only to well it still sends shivers down my spine it was total utter failure from day 1 in every way possible he lost the players and the fans and there was no way back!

Continuing would have probably led to riots! The grim reaper at the game!

As dark as LVG and Mourinho where, that humiliation was just well.. numbing!

The latter 2 provided some entertainment from time to time with Moyes we where beat before we where on the pitch. Mou’s 3rd season was awful and he’s been deservedly removed but the days of Moyes where soul destroying!

Toast to better times ahead
That was bloody hilarious though.
 

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Nah we were fecking awful and the players hated him. He should have brought 1-2 backroom members with him but left the core coaching team in place.

To be honest we were also fecking clueless in the transfer market that summer and Fellaini proved that, he had a cheap buyout that we didn’t trigger then weeks later ended up paying a higher fee. We also chased Fabregas all summer long when anybody could see a deal was almost impossible.

A lot of things didn’t go right but David Moyes is a terrible manager, it would have just gotten worse.

Imagine the cringe on Rio and Vidic face when he’s showing them videos of Jagielka.
 

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To be fair, when Ole took over at Cardiff he did exactly the same thing Moyes did. He changed the entire back room staff and today admits it was one of his biggest mistakes. That’s why he’s approaching it completely different at United.

I think most leaders learn this by mistake, they are eager to see their vision come true quickly. Taking on a team, it’s best to wait and get to know your way around before making big changes.
I don't think thats a fair comparison at all to be fair. When your predecessor gets sacked because of failure then theres a good chance that some or all of his coaching staff are just as culpable for that failure. So it makes sense to replace all or most of them with your own people.

When faced with the very, very rare scenario where your predecessor was the greatest manager of all time and and left of his own volition after 25+ years of unprecedented success Then you don't replace his entire vastly experienced and successful coaching staff with Evertons.
 

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He also said that Solskjaer is getting good results because he has nothing to lose. Make of it what you will.

He is wrong, so so wrong about Moyes growing into the job. There was nothing in him that provided the clue that he was upto the task. He just was an awful appointment. Chancer. I wonder what he is doing these days.
 

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I really can't believe anyone truly believes that Moyes didn't get enough time. United made a huge deal about supporting the manager and being "different" from other clubs. Fans giving him a standing ovation for turning champions into a laughing stock, the club giving him a 6 year contract and Fergie's speech. Sacking Moyes was a huge embarrassment for the powers that be at United.

Sacking him was the last thing Woody would have wanted. It made him look an idiot which didn't take much after the previous summer transfer window.

But, Moyes was just so bad and the job he did was so disastrous that they couldn't allow him to start rebuilding the squad. It's when you realise you've made a terrible mistake and, although kicking him out will make you look foolish, the alternative is just too terrible to contemplate.
 

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Schmeichel's 56 this year, looks awesome. He's wrong about Moyes though. After the Moyes 2 - 2 against Fulham I spent the next week walking round with a cosh waiting for a ginger haired Scotsman to start on me.
 

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I really can't believe anyone truly believes that Moyes didn't get enough time. United made a huge deal about supporting the manager and being "different" from other clubs. Fans giving him a standing ovation for turning champions into a laughing stock, the club giving him a 6 year contract and Fergie's speech. Sacking Moyes was a huge embarrassment for the powers that be at United.

Sacking him was the last thing Woody would have wanted. It made him look an idiot which didn't take much after the previous summer transfer window.

But, Moyes was just so bad and the job he did was so disastrous that they couldn't allow him to start rebuilding the squad. It's when you realise you've made a terrible mistake and, although kicking him out will make you look foolish, the alternative is just too terrible to contemplate.
In what aspect. Moyes was hired as our manager before Woody became executive chairman, and he had nothing to do with Moyes' hiring. How it did make him an idiot by sacking Moyes?
 

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He's 100% right, we should have given David Moyes more time.
True, and how we've come to rue that missed opportunity. How were we to know that Moyes would bounce straight back in Spain, winning the league with Sociedad and going on to be appointed as the new manager of Real Madrid. We can only dream of the countless European and domestic trophies he's won since leaving us, we should be thoroughly ashamed and embarrassed by our itchy trigger finger...
 

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Schmeichel's 56 this year, looks awesome. He's wrong about Moyes though. After the Moyes 2 - 2 against Fulham I spent the next week walking round with a cosh waiting for a ginger haired Scotsman to start on me.
That was the game that broke me. I was in the camp of 'give him time, support the manager', then I was all rage after that game.
 

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Good post. Moyes ever being good enough for us is a fallacy. His record in the big matches, his trophyless years with everton show that.

And I wish our ex players would shut up about it as Moyes has shown his incompetence at other jobs as well.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/12/01/should-moyes-awful-record-against-top-6-worry-west-ham-fans/

He was a manager at Everton for 11 years and failed to beat the top 4 even once. It puzzles me why he was even chosen to manage us.
Indeed but for me the most damning statistic from Moyes reign is the fact he only managed 2 scrappy wins vs teams in the entire top 10 that season.

Think about that for a second, that would be poor for any manager of almost any team but this guy was managing the runaway champions from the year before.

Two wins.
 

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Another year for what? to break his own record of number of crosses?
He should have been given less time, as in not one second of time at the club. The moment when we went on tour and he said 'wow' when he realised how big the club was, Woody should have come up behind him and handed him his P45 there and then.
 

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He also said Moyes should have kept Phelan. I think Schmeichel was spot on on BeIn studio last night, I watched his all analysis and really admired how he talked about us. You can see how passionate he is as a red.
Top red Cartwheel Schmeichel. He can feck right off.